-Galaxydust- wrote:

I feel sorry for the help tab. Nobody is protesting it's removal.

WolfCat67 wrote:

I like the inclusion of a tips bar, but I'm not too stoked about the “Discuss” option being removed…
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powercon5 wrote:

Urgent news!
Evil Kumquats no longer seem to feast on signatures anymore
They now feast on
Discuss buttons.
We need to save them.
Support the Discuss button today.

#bring_it_back

ceebee wrote:

Hi folks. Thanks for all the thoughtful feedback. I can see there are a lot of passionate forum users here! I understand that change is difficult, especially when it is a change you disagree with. However, it should be noted that this is not something we've decided to do on a whim. We've thought about this a lot and the decision was made after a lot of discussion and examination of the numbers. We want to make sure that Scratch is easily accessible and welcoming to new users - this helps them become acquainted with Scratch so that they can learn all about the awesome things that you all already know. Placing more emphasis on things like Create, Explore, and Tips help with this. The discussion forums, while absolutely a great resource in the long term, can be a confusing and overwhelming introduction to Scratch when users first arrive. And as many people have already pointed out, the discussion forums are not used by many Scratchers. In fact, only 0.8% of active Scratchers have even looked at the forums in the past month.

The discussion forums aren't disappearing, they are still there, and you can always find them by going to the footer or using the direct link. We plan to examine ways we might better point to the forums in the future - ways that will make more sense so that new users do not feel overwhelmed or lost. Thanks again for all the thoughtful feedback and Scratch On!

powercon5 wrote:

ceebee wrote:

Hi folks. Thanks for all the thoughtful feedback. I can see there are a lot of passionate forum users here! I understand that change is difficult, especially when it is a change you disagree with. However, it should be noted that this is not something we've decided to do on a whim. We've thought about this a lot and the decision was made after a lot of discussion and examination of the numbers. We want to make sure that Scratch is easily accessible and welcoming to new users - this helps them become acquainted with Scratch so that they can learn all about the awesome things that you all already know. Placing more emphasis on things like the Create, Explore, and Tips help with this. The discussion forums, while absolutely a great resource in the long term, can be a confusing and overwhelming introduction to Scratch when users first arrive. And as many people have already pointed out, the discussion forums are not used by many Scratchers. In fact, only 0.8% percent of active Scratchers have even looked at the forums in the past month.

The discussion forums aren't disappearing, they are still there, and you can always find them by going to the footer or using the direct link. We plan to examine ways we might better point to the forums in the future - ways that will make more sense so that new users do not feel overwhelmed or lost. Thanks again for all the thoughtful feedback and Scratch On!

But how does Discuss stop people from using the rest of the tabs. While the Forums is still a great place for people to get help, if it's confusing to start or less people use it, should it not be made to be welcoming and easier to use. It has lots more potential that if promoted would be great.

ceebee wrote:

Hi folks. Thanks for all the thoughtful feedback. I can see there are a lot of passionate forum users here! I understand that change is difficult, especially when it is a change you disagree with. However, it should be noted that this is not something we've decided to do on a whim. We've thought about this a lot and the decision was made after a lot of discussion and examination of the numbers. We want to make sure that Scratch is easily accessible and welcoming to new users - this helps them become acquainted with Scratch so that they can learn all about the awesome things that you all already know. Placing more emphasis on things like Create, Explore, and Tips help with this. The discussion forums, while absolutely a great resource in the long term, can be a confusing and overwhelming introduction to Scratch when users first arrive. And as many people have already pointed out, the discussion forums are not used by many Scratchers. In fact, only 0.8% of active Scratchers have even looked at the forums in the past month.

The discussion forums aren't disappearing, they are still there, and you can always find them by going to the footer or using the direct link. We plan to examine ways we might better point to the forums in the future - ways that will make more sense so that new users do not feel overwhelmed or lost. Thanks again for all the thoughtful feedback and Scratch On!

CrazyNimbus wrote:

Cool updates!

ceebee wrote:

Hi folks. Thanks for all the thoughtful feedback. I can see there are a lot of passionate forum users here! I understand that change is difficult, especially when it is a change you disagree with. However, it should be noted that this is not something we've decided to do on a whim. We've thought about this a lot and the decision was made after a lot of discussion and examination of the numbers. We want to make sure that Scratch is easily accessible and welcoming to new users - this helps them become acquainted with Scratch so that they can learn all about the awesome things that you all already know. Placing more emphasis on things like Create, Explore, and Tips help with this. The discussion forums, while absolutely a great resource in the long term, can be a confusing and overwhelming introduction to Scratch when users first arrive. And as many people have already pointed out, the discussion forums are not used by many Scratchers. In fact, only 0.8% of active Scratchers have even looked at the forums in the past month.

The discussion forums aren't disappearing, they are still there, and you can always find them by going to the footer or using the direct link. We plan to examine ways we might better point to the forums in the future - ways that will make more sense so that new users do not feel overwhelmed or lost. Thanks again for all the thoughtful feedback and Scratch On!

muellly wrote:

powercon5 wrote:

ceebee wrote:

Hi folks. Thanks for all the thoughtful feedback. I can see there are a lot of passionate forum users here! I understand that change is difficult, especially when it is a change you disagree with. However, it should be noted that this is not something we've decided to do on a whim. We've thought about this a lot and the decision was made after a lot of discussion and examination of the numbers. We want to make sure that Scratch is easily accessible and welcoming to new users - this helps them become acquainted with Scratch so that they can learn all about the awesome things that you all already know. Placing more emphasis on things like the Create, Explore, and Tips help with this. The discussion forums, while absolutely a great resource in the long term, can be a confusing and overwhelming introduction to Scratch when users first arrive. And as many people have already pointed out, the discussion forums are not used by many Scratchers. In fact, only 0.8% percent of active Scratchers have even looked at the forums in the past month.

The discussion forums aren't disappearing, they are still there, and you can always find them by going to the footer or using the direct link. We plan to examine ways we might better point to the forums in the future - ways that will make more sense so that new users do not feel overwhelmed or lost. Thanks again for all the thoughtful feedback and Scratch On!

But how does Discuss stop people from using the rest of the tabs. While the Forums is still a great place for people to get help, if it's confusing to start or less people use it, should it not be made to be welcoming and easier to use. It has lots more potential that if promoted would be great.

How are forums confusing in a way that discourages new Scratchers? Maybe not knowing where to post at first however the Scratchers of these forums will kindly tell them where it should go. There is even an entire forum dedicated to welcoming new Scratchers. As for the 0.08% statistic is that taken from all active Scratchers, or all active Scratchers that know that the forums exist? Discussion is a bit confusing to what it really is, forums, and I bet that the % of Scratchers who view the forums will be much higher if you count the active users that know there are forums in the first place. I feel that the ST should try to promote the forums, not hide them. I also bet if there was a poll as a featured project that asked how many scratchers know that there are forums, the number of users who don't know will be much higher than the users who know. I also don't see how the discussion button takes empathsis away from create or explore. The forums are like an extension to tips when you use up all tips can give you. Discussion is like tips but for every question, only with less pictures.

Penguin9090_new wrote:

But there used to be 5 tabs, Create, Explore, Discuss, Help, and About!
We can fit the discuss tab, and 0.8% are a pretty large amount!

ceebee wrote:

Penguin9090_new wrote:

But there used to be 5 tabs, Create, Explore, Discuss, Help, and About!
We can fit the discuss tab, and 0.8% are a pretty large amount!

Please read the FAQ section on the original post. Thanks!

bunnyboots wrote:

Hey Scratch Team! I would like to know what discuss is and why people are sad about it moving to a new place…? Please tell me. Wait this is discuss. What is this for?

muellly wrote:

bunnyboots wrote:

Hey Scratch Team! I would like to know what discuss is and why people are sad about it moving to a new place…? Please tell me. Wait this is discuss. What is this for?

Discuss is the Scratch Forums, a place for asking questions about Scratch and Scripts, getting ideas for projects, sharing projects, talking about things people like to play and read. In fact this is a thread in discussions. You can get to the rest of it by clicking on Discussion Forums.

People are upset because the ST removed it, making it harder for Scratchers who don't know that Scratch has forums to find the forums. In fact you just found the forums after a month and a week on Scratch.