thisandagain wrote:

Hi folks, could you please be more specific about what you don't like? Comments like, “it looks bad!” aren't particularly helpful or keeping with Scratch's Community Guidelines. Here are the arguments that I've collected thus far:

- The new colors have less contrast which make them harder to read
- The increased padding makes it more difficult to make complex projects (each block takes up more space)
- The increased size makes it more difficult to make complex projects (each block takes up more space unless you zoom out)
- It looks too childish / young (subjective … but an important consideration). This argument appears to be the result of a combination of colors, padding, and rounded corners.

Here are some of the arguments that I would put in the category of “not particularly helpful or constructive”:

- I don't like it!
- It's ugly!
- I don't like change!

What are we missing? Always happy to have a conversation, but please keep the Community Guidelines in mind when adding to this thread. Thanks!

ZZ9PluralZAlpha wrote:

thisandagain wrote:

Hi folks, could you please be more specific about what you don't like? Comments like, “it looks bad!” aren't particularly helpful or keeping with Scratch's Community Guidelines. Here are the arguments that I've collected thus far:

- The new colors have less contrast which make them harder to read
- The increased padding makes it more difficult to make complex projects (each block takes up more space)
- The increased size makes it more difficult to make complex projects (each block takes up more space unless you zoom out)
- It looks too childish / young (subjective … but an important consideration). This argument appears to be the result of a combination of colors, padding, and rounded corners.

Here are some of the arguments that I would put in the category of “not particularly helpful or constructive”:

- I don't like it!
- It's ugly!
- I don't like change!

What are we missing? Always happy to have a conversation, but please keep the Community Guidelines in mind when adding to this thread. Thanks!

It has also been stated that the fact that the way blocks are joined in Scratch 3.0 currently (horizontal) is very confusing and unusual. It would be something that would be very hard to get used to.

thisandagain wrote:

ZZ9PluralZAlpha wrote:

thisandagain wrote:

Hi folks, could you please be more specific about what you don't like? Comments like, “it looks bad!” aren't particularly helpful or keeping with Scratch's Community Guidelines. Here are the arguments that I've collected thus far:

- The new colors have less contrast which make them harder to read
- The increased padding makes it more difficult to make complex projects (each block takes up more space)
- The increased size makes it more difficult to make complex projects (each block takes up more space unless you zoom out)
- It looks too childish / young (subjective … but an important consideration). This argument appears to be the result of a combination of colors, padding, and rounded corners.

Here are some of the arguments that I would put in the category of “not particularly helpful or constructive”:

- I don't like it!
- It's ugly!
- I don't like change!

What are we missing? Always happy to have a conversation, but please keep the Community Guidelines in mind when adding to this thread. Thanks!

It has also been stated that the fact that the way blocks are joined in Scratch 3.0 currently (horizontal) is very confusing and unusual. It would be something that would be very hard to get used to.

I'm curious as where you are seeing this. We have no plans to use the horizontal grammar for Scratch 3.0 at this time. Please look at the latest prototype for reference:
https://llk.github.io/scratch-gui

ZZ9PluralZAlpha wrote:

thisandagain wrote:

ZZ9PluralZAlpha wrote:

thisandagain wrote:

Hi folks, could you please be more specific about what you don't like? Comments like, “it looks bad!” aren't particularly helpful or keeping with Scratch's Community Guidelines. Here are the arguments that I've collected thus far:

- The new colors have less contrast which make them harder to read
- The increased padding makes it more difficult to make complex projects (each block takes up more space)
- The increased size makes it more difficult to make complex projects (each block takes up more space unless you zoom out)
- It looks too childish / young (subjective … but an important consideration). This argument appears to be the result of a combination of colors, padding, and rounded corners.

Here are some of the arguments that I would put in the category of “not particularly helpful or constructive”:

- I don't like it!
- It's ugly!
- I don't like change!

What are we missing? Always happy to have a conversation, but please keep the Community Guidelines in mind when adding to this thread. Thanks!

It has also been stated that the fact that the way blocks are joined in Scratch 3.0 currently (horizontal) is very confusing and unusual. It would be something that would be very hard to get used to.

I'm curious as where you are seeing this. We have no plans to use the horizontal grammar for Scratch 3.0 at this time. Please look at the latest prototype for reference:
https://llk.github.io/scratch-gui

I haven't really looked at it that much, I was just relaying the information made by others from previous posts.

Chibi-Matoran wrote:

Thisandagain, some others and I also don't like the rounded corners of the stage. I personally prefer a perfectly rectangular viewport that does not block pixels at the corners.

thisandagain wrote:

Chibi-Matoran wrote:

Thisandagain, some others and I also don't like the rounded corners of the stage. I personally prefer a perfectly rectangular viewport that does not block pixels at the corners.

Noted!

thisandagain wrote:

- It looks too childish / young (subjective … but an important consideration). This argument appears to be the result of a combination of colors, padding, and rounded corners.

_nix wrote:

You know, I just thought – you could make music that sounds something like stereo by having two sprites play the “left” and “right” channels of a song using the “pan left/right” audio effect.

-stache- wrote:

Improvement idea: Cut the last something of a second from the recording because my trackpad is really loud when I click stop recording

dgprogramer wrote:

[snip]
Some new things that will be available with Scratch 3.0

Custom reporters.
Text-drawing pen blocks.
iOS and Android support via an HTML5 based editor.
A 16:9 option for higher quality projects.
Projects (possibly) play at 60 ticks and frames per second, rather than 30 (and previously).
A horizontal block layout. This is similar to how ScratchJr displays blocks. The new layout is being added because it is more compact, and hence will be easier to use on mobile devices.
“Set pen transparency to” and “change pen transparency by” blocks.
Sound effect blocks

• Custom reporters and pen-text blocks: these are things the ST has said they're considering. They test every feature for usefulness and simplicity with lots and lots of kids before they add anything new to the software, so there's no guarantee that that'll make it in.
  
• 16:9: I don't recall the ST specifically confirming that they're considering it but if they have it's in the same boat as the first 2.
  
• Horizontal layout: this isn't in the plan to be part of Scratch 3.0 (as thisandagain just said), afaik they're developing it for the next version of ScratchJr, and they haven't made any real changes to that code in months. The reason the code is in the same GitHub repository as vertical blocks is because the code for the horizontal and vertical blocks is very similar. Some of the early press releases for Scratch 3.0 didn't make this clear because they hadn't decided what Scratch 3.0 would look like yet, but that was over a year ago and now the design is a lot more concrete.
  
• 60 tps: they implemented this, but then they quickly changed the default back to 30 since all of their test projects are from 2.0 and designed to run at 30 (also because their vm was too buggy and slow to keep up). Now that they've got import-from-file working they might start exploring 60tps again, but there's no guarantee that it'll make it into the final product.
  
• Transparency pen blocks: These haven't been implemented, but thisandagain said they had a design discussion and decided on adding these, so there's a good chance they'll be implemented eventually (especially since these blocks would only make it easier to access existing features).
  
• Sound effects: these have been implemented. A bunch of the sound effects were just removed because they depended on a library that the ST were only using for prototyping. They said they'll try to add the effects back in, but I seem to remember (not 100% sure) that someone said they were also too CPU-intensive. So we'll see what makes it into the final version.
  
• Mobile player: definitely gonna happen, that's the reason they switched to HTML5!
  

_nix wrote:

Yeah, you're right, Jonathan50

I created a couple of test projects:
https://llk.github.io/scratch-gui/#169520822 — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bv42kHmqA
https://llk.github.io/scratch-gui/#169521075 — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WKspXZfmEE

Just attach the appropriate “set audio effect” blocks in both sprites (in either project).

_nix wrote:

Yeah, you're right, Jonathan50

I created a couple of test projects:
https://llk.github.io/scratch-gui/#169520822 — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bv42kHmqA
https://llk.github.io/scratch-gui/#169521075 — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WKspXZfmEE

Just attach the appropriate “set audio effect” blocks in both sprites (in either project).

Charles12310 wrote:

I clicked in the link to try the Scratch 3.0 alpha, but nothing is appearing. I can't test it.

-Io- wrote:

thisandagain wrote:

- It looks too childish / young (subjective … but an important consideration). This argument appears to be the result of a combination of colors, padding, and rounded corners.

And mixed with https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/251639/ it's probably a little more important.

I'm not really sure how it would look better. Scratch 1.4's style definitely made it look more complex, but Scratch 2.0's style makes it look more sophisticated and modern, so personally I'm divided in my opinions. You probably don't want to deter people with complex looks, but you also don't want to deter people with childish looks and not-so-simple mechanics.