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b1048546
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SupremeRubisco wrote:

At least they named the graph.
Yes. Regardless of their weird M1 graphs, it did perform extremely well.
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b1048546 wrote:

So no, in raw benchmarks, M1X doesn't beat the 105 watt RTX 3080 Mobile. In most real world tasks, the Max will win though.

Impressive performance, especially when it doesn't need to be plugged in to get it!
I stand corrected!

GFX Bench M1X (32 core GPU) beats the RTX 3080 Mobile in nearly every GFX Bench Gaming test. Onscreen and even the high-end tests. Fairly impressive. I suppose the OpenCL score doesn't mean much. Be a LITTLE cautious, as this test was really meant for smartphones. Although iPhones are on the same IP/architecture as M1 Max so I think it's a fairly accurate assumption. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if game developers were interested in macOS for once. (come on apple, give them more tools to convert.)
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b1048546 wrote:

b1048546 wrote:

So no, in raw benchmarks, M1X doesn't beat the 105 watt RTX 3080 Mobile. In most real world tasks, the Max will win though.

Impressive performance, especially when it doesn't need to be plugged in to get it!
I stand corrected!

GFX Bench M1X (32 core GPU) beats the RTX 3080 Mobile in nearly every GFX Bench Gaming test. Onscreen and even the high-end tests. Fairly impressive. I suppose the OpenCL score doesn't mean much. Be a LITTLE cautious, as this test was really meant for smartphones. Although iPhones are on the same IP/architecture as M1 Max so I think it's a fairly accurate assumption. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if game developers were interested in macOS for once. (come on apple, give them more tools to convert.)
meh, just port all the iOS games. there, thats what ya get mac ppl.

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MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

b1048546 wrote:

b1048546 wrote:

So no, in raw benchmarks, M1X doesn't beat the 105 watt RTX 3080 Mobile. In most real world tasks, the Max will win though.

Impressive performance, especially when it doesn't need to be plugged in to get it!
I stand corrected!

GFX Bench M1X (32 core GPU) beats the RTX 3080 Mobile in nearly every GFX Bench Gaming test. Onscreen and even the high-end tests. Fairly impressive. I suppose the OpenCL score doesn't mean much. Be a LITTLE cautious, as this test was really meant for smartphones. Although iPhones are on the same IP/architecture as M1 Max so I think it's a fairly accurate assumption. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if game developers were interested in macOS for once. (come on apple, give them more tools to convert.)
meh, just port all the iOS games. there, thats what ya get mac ppl.
Except that they all already run on M1.

Last edited by b1048546 (Oct. 21, 2021 02:12:29)

b1048546
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Memory bandwidth on M1 Pro/Max is insane. I REALLY don't expect any benchmarks to show us anything, I only see real world tests working out for these chips.

My reasoning: I wouldn't even expect Cinebench R23 to make use of the 60 GB/s that one single FireStorm core uses. We actually know it can't. If it did, then the multi-core wouldn't have scaled well due to the M1 only having 69 GB/s of bandwidth. Few benchmarks and real-world tasks need this much bandwidth. Real-world performance will be much better due to 16 channels on the M1 Pro and 32 channels on the M1 Max. Although, Geekbench isn't the best benchmark so I'm wondering why the performance dropped a bit more than expected…

Side note: Intel and AMD literally don't need to switch to RISC/ARM based chips to compete. That's a LIE. For example, Alder Lake literally has the same big.little architecture as M1.
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b1048546 wrote:

MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

man… an HP laptop with double the RAM and double the SSD capacity AND a better CPU. Same price as a Macbook Air. oof
I wouldn't count the ram being a benefit. The SSD in the Air is probably faster which is annoying because nobody asked for the fastest SSD lol. What about battery and screen? Trackpad, speakers, and keyboard? Would consider that to be more important for the general audience who's using one of these.
16 gb of ram over 8 is a very big difference.
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of course the m1 is faster than a chip in the radiator computer. as far as i can see, unified memory isn't a good thing.

Chiroyce wrote:

b1048546 wrote:

M1 Max can't beat it
As per Apple, it does.
that's vs power no? an integrated gpu from a company known for making disposable earphones isn't going to beat nvidia's flagship desktop gpu.

mbrick2 wrote:

Can we just look at that power
most of those specifications are just marketing nonsense.

i'm not saying the gt 710 is faster than the m1 but people should stop “falling for” this marketing.
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potatophant wrote:

b1048546 wrote:

MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

man… an HP laptop with double the RAM and double the SSD capacity AND a better CPU. Same price as a Macbook Air. oof
I wouldn't count the ram being a benefit. The SSD in the Air is probably faster which is annoying because nobody asked for the fastest SSD lol. What about battery and screen? Trackpad, speakers, and keyboard? Would consider that to be more important for the general audience who's using one of these.
16 gb of ram over 8 is a very big difference.
That's true. As far as I'm aware, the LPDDR4X in the M1 is faster than the memory in the HP. The data doesn't need to be copied from the CPU or to the GPU on the M1 though. There's benefits to both for sure.

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potatophant wrote:

of course the m1 is faster than a chip in the radiator computer. as far as i can see, unified memory isn't a good thing.

Chiroyce wrote:

b1048546 wrote:

M1 Max can't beat it
As per Apple, it does.
that's vs power no? an integrated gpu from a company known for making disposable earphones isn't going to beat nvidia's flagship desktop gpu.

mbrick2 wrote:

Can we just look at that power
most of those specifications are just marketing nonsense.

i'm not saying the gt 710 is faster than the m1 but people should stop “falling for” this marketing.
Yeah, I'm not going to believe it until real-world tests come out. (no, it's the laptop version btw)

The specs aren't marketing? Their comparisons may be fake, but the specs look normal.
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b1048546 wrote:

That's true. As far as I'm aware, the LPDDR4X in the M1 is faster than the memory in the HP.
the difference shouldn't be noticeable.
The specs aren't marketing? Their comparisons may be fake, but the specs look normal.
yes but putting irrelevant specs in big purple caps can be a bit misleading

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potatophant wrote:

b1048546 wrote:

That's true. As far as I'm aware, the LPDDR4X in the M1 is faster than the memory in the HP.
the difference shouldn't be noticeable.
True, less latency in some areas but in general it's a difference.

potatophant wrote:

b1048546 wrote:

The specs aren't marketing? Their comparisons may be fake, but the specs look normal.
yes but putting irrelevant specs in big purple caps can be a bit misleading
which ones?

Last edited by b1048546 (Oct. 21, 2021 18:40:50)

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potatophant wrote:

an integrated gpu from a company known for making disposable earphones isn't going to beat nvidia's flagship desktop gpu.
while consuming less power it may do so - otherwise NVIDIA is obviously faster.







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potatophant wrote:

yes but putting irrelevant specs in big purple caps can be a bit misleading
16 core Neural Engine is something they have and other laptops usually don't. ProRes encode and decode, again, is something HUGE for people who use ProRes. 64GB RAM and 400GBPS bandwidth are both accurate and both are going to have an impact. “industry leading performance per watt” is subjective, we'll have to see when YouTubers start getting the Macs. 5NM process, 4 displays, and CPU/GPU core counts are also accurate. Thunderbolt 4 and Secure Enclave was already there in M1.

b1048546 wrote:

Yeah, I'm not going to believe it until real-world tests come out. (no, it's the laptop version btw)
Yeah - they could've at least mentioned the benchmarks and exact GPU + wattage they used.

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Chiroyce wrote:

potatophant wrote:

yes but putting irrelevant specs in big purple caps can be a bit misleading
16 core Neural Engine is something they have and other laptops usually don't. ProRes encode and decode, again, is something HUGE for people who use ProRes. 64GB RAM and 400GBPS bandwidth are both accurate and both are going to have an impact. “industry leading performance per watt” is subjective, we'll have to see when YouTubers start getting the Macs. 5NM process, 4 displays, and CPU/GPU core counts are also accurate. Thunderbolt 4 and Secure Enclave was already there in M1.

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Yeah, I'm not going to believe it until real-world tests come out. (no, it's the laptop version btw)
Yeah - they could've at least mentioned the benchmarks and exact GPU + wattage they used.
They did show the exact GPU and wattage they used. Performance per watt is better than anything AMD, Intel, or NVIDIA don't have the performance per watt that the M1 has. Apple's GPU IP is more impressive than their CPU IP.
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The part where the guy on the left speaks about the notch in this video, you can probably see that they already have the new Macs and have also used it. The date where the reviewers are allowed to drop their reviews are on the 25th. So can't wait!

Also it's been leaked by some guy lol - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7Yiei5o3Ts







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Chiroyce wrote:

The part where the guy on the left speaks about the notch in this video, you can probably see that they already have the new Macs and have also used it. The date where the reviewers are allowed to drop their reviews are on the 25th. So can't wait!

Also it's been leaked by some guy lol - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7Yiei5o3Ts
Yeah, the date was already leaked lol. We have benchmarks though.
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Still extremely skeptical about the GPU in M1 Pro and M1 Max.

CPU looks good though. (I'll be using Cinebench R23 as a reference because I don't like Geekbench all that much. Apple's M1 and M1 Pro/Max get the same Geekbench and Cinebench score.):

Single core is about the same as M1 but the multi-core (10-core) is ~12,500. That's really impressive. A 30 minute loop of Cinebench R23 gives you identical scores. With the 8-core CPU, it edges to about ~9,000 and it doesn't throttle. Obviously the 10-core is more impressive but this is pretty goodl.
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Looks like Intel now took Apple's optimization strategy of dividing tasks into Performance and Efficiency cores - https://youtu.be/-lcruZQyh94







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JUST LOOK AT THIS https://youtu.be/uC6S9ywDSQg







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Chiroyce wrote:

Looks like Intel now took Apple's optimization strategy of dividing tasks into Performance and Efficiency cores - https://youtu.be/-lcruZQyh94
finally, they can rival phone chipsets in optimization

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