Superdoggy wrote:

Unlocked wrote:

If you don't agree with the scratch team and feel like you could do better, go ahead and make your own drag and drop programming language where the follower count is shown. If you aren't going to do that, then don't complain.

That doesn't add to the conversation. That's just trolling.

If I don't agree with the Scratch Team, I'll just use an un-regulated programming language like C#.

Wes64 wrote:

Superdoggy wrote:

Now, what I meant to say was that since I've been actively participating in the site and putting lots of work into my projects, I feel that I should be able to see my follower count at-a-glance, or even my profile comment number at all.

I'd like to point out, that while the Scratch Team does work extremely hard to keep things running (Thanks!) they benefit from active hard-working users too. On their Scratch statistics page, they show the number of users and projects, and I'm guessing that they're quite proud of it. And should be, as they created a wonderful programming language that is a perfect tool for creating amazing things.

However, what would the site be without any projects? Without any users? With “zero” followers? Would anybody join a site that had been abandoned a year ago, with no active users and no community?

So the users do contribute too. They work hard too. So you've got to imagine that it would be disappointing for certain users when the Scratch Team removes certain (helpful) numbers because they don't think that we're being responsible enough for them. (This is not a Straw Man, Lightnin. xD they were removed because you thought they were being mistreated)

So why can't some famous users (who have obviously worked very hard to obtain their fame) be able to have their follow count “on display” for others to see? Often enough we've earned them.

Those who quit Scratch aren't always wrong. Some move on, of course, but others quit when they think that something is outweighing all of the hard work that the ST put into this wonderful programming tool. Sometimes it's a rule, or a ban, or a troll. Sometimes it's agenda-pushing *cough cough*. But while this is an amazing tool and an amazing site and a wonderful community, sometimes you just have to say that “it's too socialist” or “there's something wrong”. If these stack up enough and the Scratch Team doesn't listen to the community, sadly, people are going to leave.

Speaking of which, somebody mentioned a “Scratch Walkout”. I won't say who, and it was mostly in the form of a joke, but I'm just putting it out there to show that I'm not making things up.

If you need numbers to represent your input to this site I suggest you rethink your priorities. Many users have been comitted to this site since before following and profile comments existed and I don't think people who are honestly here to learn will leave because of these numbers being removed.

I don't know if you read what I wrote before, but please realize that this is not a political campaign, so let's stop throwing around words like ‘socialist’ or ‘walkout’. If you walk out, the rest of us will walk on and be much more peaceful without users raising a ruckus about insignificant things. If many people cannot handle the “followers” being visible, then it doesn't matter if there exist people who really are responsible, we have to get rid of it for the good of the community.

I am also uncomfortable with how you insist that famous users have ‘earned’ their fame and deserve to be able to see it. The thing is, becoming famous should not be the goal. I don't care how many people follow me, and neither should anybody else. Programming as well as you can, receiving input from the community about your programs, and learning as a result is what is important. I don't need a number to tell me that.

Unlocked wrote:

Superdoggy wrote:

Unlocked wrote:

If you don't agree with the scratch team and feel like you could do better, go ahead and make your own drag and drop programming language where the follower count is shown. If you aren't going to do that, then don't complain.

That doesn't add to the conversation. That's just trolling.

If I don't agree with the Scratch Team, I'll just use an un-regulated programming language like C#.

So why don't you then?

900miles wrote:

-Note to Posters-

The numbers are not being removed! They've just been moved 1 click away!

Lightnin wrote:

I wouldn't say Scratch is not about fame at all.

Lightnin wrote:

I will say that I think there is too much emphasis on popularity – (and that's not the same as saying there should be no emphasis on popularity.)

900miles wrote:

-Note to Posters-

The numbers are not being removed! They've just been moved 1 click away!

Lightnin wrote:

I wouldn't say Scratch is not about fame at all.

Lightnin wrote:

I will say that I think there is too much emphasis on popularity – (and that's not the same as saying there should be no emphasis on popularity.)

Superdoggy wrote:

Unlocked wrote:

Superdoggy wrote:

Unlocked wrote:

If you don't agree with the scratch team and feel like you could do better, go ahead and make your own drag and drop programming language where the follower count is shown. If you aren't going to do that, then don't complain.

That doesn't add to the conversation. That's just trolling.

If I don't agree with the Scratch Team, I'll just use an un-regulated programming language like C#.

So why don't you then?

If I disagree with the Scratch team to the point of quitting

Which I don't, yet.

Firedrake969 wrote:

Superdoggy wrote:

Unlocked wrote:

Superdoggy wrote:

Unlocked wrote:

If you don't agree with the scratch team and feel like you could do better, go ahead and make your own drag and drop programming language where the follower count is shown. If you aren't going to do that, then don't complain.

That doesn't add to the conversation. That's just trolling.

If I don't agree with the Scratch Team, I'll just use an un-regulated programming language like C#.

So why don't you then?

If I disagree with the Scratch team to the point of quitting

Which I don't, yet.

Saying you might leave won't make us change our minds just to keep you here

Firedrake969 wrote:

Superdoggy wrote:

Unlocked wrote:

Superdoggy wrote:

Unlocked wrote:

If you don't agree with the scratch team and feel like you could do better, go ahead and make your own drag and drop programming language where the follower count is shown. If you aren't going to do that, then don't complain.

That doesn't add to the conversation. That's just trolling.

If I don't agree with the Scratch Team, I'll just use an un-regulated programming language like C#.

So why don't you then?

If I disagree with the Scratch team to the point of quitting

Which I don't, yet.

Saying you might leave won't make us change our minds just to keep you here

Scratchifier wrote:

Sure, numbers aren't everything. However, programming isn't everything, too. If you want to become a programmer for a living, you'll have to understand your market, too. When you get to see how many followers or comments you have, you also see how good your projects have been, how many people liked them enough to follow, etc.

900miles wrote:

Scratchifier wrote:

Sure, numbers aren't everything. However, programming isn't everything, too. If you want to become a programmer for a living, you'll have to understand your market, too. When you get to see how many followers or comments you have, you also see how good your projects have been, how many people liked them enough to follow, etc.

As I said before, they haven't gotten rid of the numbers.

(except the comment ones)

900miles wrote:

Scratchifier wrote:

Sure, numbers aren't everything. However, programming isn't everything, too. If you want to become a programmer for a living, you'll have to understand your market, too. When you get to see how many followers or comments you have, you also see how good your projects have been, how many people liked them enough to follow, etc.

As I said before, they haven't gotten rid of the numbers.

(except the comment ones)

900miles wrote:

Scratchifier wrote:

Sure, numbers aren't everything. However, programming isn't everything, too. If you want to become a programmer for a living, you'll have to understand your market, too. When you get to see how many followers or comments you have, you also see how good your projects have been, how many people liked them enough to follow, etc.

As I said before, they haven't gotten rid of the numbers.

(except the comment ones)

Flaame wrote:

900miles wrote:

Scratchifier wrote:

Sure, numbers aren't everything. However, programming isn't everything, too. If you want to become a programmer for a living, you'll have to understand your market, too. When you get to see how many followers or comments you have, you also see how good your projects have been, how many people liked them enough to follow, etc.

As I said before, they haven't gotten rid of the numbers.

(except the comment ones)

Superdoggy wrote:

Flaame wrote:

900miles wrote:

Scratchifier wrote:

Sure, numbers aren't everything. However, programming isn't everything, too. If you want to become a programmer for a living, you'll have to understand your market, too. When you get to see how many followers or comments you have, you also see how good your projects have been, how many people liked them enough to follow, etc.

As I said before, they haven't gotten rid of the numbers.

(except the comment ones)

LOL WE DID THE SAME EXACT THING AT THE SAME TIME! XD XD XD XD

edit: almost the same thing

Scratchifier wrote:

Personally, I'd like to combine both words… “Socialist Walkout”…

But I'm pretty sure that this isn't going to happen.

Anyway…

I'm surprised to be hearing this from you (well, sort of) after you just released a project with the sole purpose of recording data (in numbers) from how good people are against a computer in Battleship.

Sure, numbers aren't everything. However, programming isn't everything, too. If you want to become a programmer for a living, you'll have to understand your market, too. When you get to see how many followers or comments you have, you also see how good your projects have been, how many people liked them enough to follow, etc.

Aquaflame wrote:

I bet both sides can agree on this:
Why don't we care anymore?
The people who like the update go on with their lives and keep on Scratching.
The people who don't like the update deal with the update and get used to it.
There's no reason to fight. I used to dislike the update, but it's just one number. I'm used to clicking “View All” now, and I'm sure many others are used to it, too. I don't see why we're still arguing a week after the update. It's not like the Scratch Team completely redesigned Scratch's interface. It's not like the concept of “following” is removed entirely. It's just a number, and you can see it by clicking view all.
One effect of the follower count being removed is that I don't check on how many followers I have too much. But I still know that it's at approximately 320 to 330 followers. And it still makes me happy to know that. Here's a question for Superdoggy. You have over 1,000 followers, right? You probably know that. Well, does it really help to know you have exactly 1181 followers? Does that exact number give you more pride than just knowing you hit 1,000 followers? Just my point of view.

narcissistic user (no one specifically) who loves his followers count wrote:

I want my followers number back! I can't stand one more click to view it! That's too much work and I hate it! I have the right to know how popular I am or else I will quit! I mean it!!111!!!1!

seriously! How am I gonna know when I get 1000 followers so I can make a 1000 followers special and be as cool as griffpatch! Rude Scratch rude!!!!

Flaame wrote:

Aquaflame wrote:

I bet both sides can agree on this:
Why don't we care anymore?
The people who like the update go on with their lives and keep on Scratching.
The people who don't like the update deal with the update and get used to it.
There's no reason to fight. I used to dislike the update, but it's just one number. I'm used to clicking “View All” now, and I'm sure many others are used to it, too. I don't see why we're still arguing a week after the update. It's not like the Scratch Team completely redesigned Scratch's interface. It's not like the concept of “following” is removed entirely. It's just a number, and you can see it by clicking view all.
One effect of the follower count being removed is that I don't check on how many followers I have too much. But I still know that it's at approximately 320 to 330 followers. And it still makes me happy to know that. Here's a question for Superdoggy. You have over 1,000 followers, right? You probably know that. Well, does it really help to know you have exactly 1181 followers? Does that exact number give you more pride than just knowing you hit 1,000 followers? Just my point of view.

I'm not used at it at all. Besides, the comment numbers were tooken down too.

Aquaflame wrote:

Flaame wrote:

Aquaflame wrote:

I bet both sides can agree on this:
Why don't we care anymore?
The people who like the update go on with their lives and keep on Scratching.
The people who don't like the update deal with the update and get used to it.
There's no reason to fight. I used to dislike the update, but it's just one number. I'm used to clicking “View All” now, and I'm sure many others are used to it, too. I don't see why we're still arguing a week after the update. It's not like the Scratch Team completely redesigned Scratch's interface. It's not like the concept of “following” is removed entirely. It's just a number, and you can see it by clicking view all.
One effect of the follower count being removed is that I don't check on how many followers I have too much. But I still know that it's at approximately 320 to 330 followers. And it still makes me happy to know that. Here's a question for Superdoggy. You have over 1,000 followers, right? You probably know that. Well, does it really help to know you have exactly 1181 followers? Does that exact number give you more pride than just knowing you hit 1,000 followers? Just my point of view.

I'm not used at it at all. Besides, the comment numbers were tooken down too.

Do you count your comments? If not, then I don't see why this poses a problem. And do you really look at follower counts that much? Because if you're not used to it, you will be soon.