tcodina wrote:

please, look at this. I think that we can get rid of those spam studios easily by removing tags. Just show your support by loving the project linked at the top of the post. There are the reasons, so don't say any reason why do we need tags without reading the whole post. It's annoying if not.

How would this get rid of add everything studios?

PhirripSyrrip wrote:

ProdigyZeta7 wrote:

Ah, I see… I was tired, didn't think this through.

Maybe what studios need are a flexible way of removing projects:
Remove all projects with 20 or more love-its/500 or more views/10 or more remixes
Remove all projects by {this user}
Remove all projects by Scratchers/new Scratchers
Remove all projects with the tag {something}

And maybe something to prevent trolls from abusing this, like an undo button.

I don't understand what this would achieve? They want to add every project on scratch, they won't remove anything unless you ask them- even then you'll be lucky if they listen.

how can it troll if it is not a curator?

Add me to the supporters list, please.

mitchboy wrote:

tcodina wrote:

please, look at this. I think that we can get rid of those spam studios easily by removing tags. Just show your support by loving the project linked at the top of the post. There are the reasons, so don't say any reason why do we need tags without reading the whole post. It's annoying if not.

How would this get rid of add everything studios?

Spammers use the option “Add by tag” in studios, so they can add lots of projects from a click. And you didn't read the whole post xD

tcodina wrote:

mitchboy wrote:

tcodina wrote:

please, look at this. I think that we can get rid of those spam studios easily by removing tags. Just show your support by loving the project linked at the top of the post. There are the reasons, so don't say any reason why do we need tags without reading the whole post. It's annoying if not.

How would this get rid of add everything studios?

Spammers use the option “Add by tag” in studios, so they can add lots of projects from a click. And you didn't read the whole post xD

Ok, but this problem won't be solved just by removing tags. While tags make it easier for curators of AE studios, the problem won't solved as easily as you think.

Support. Now can I please curate the studio?

after reading the full first post i feel like making an add NOTHING studio, and i think AE ( ADD EVERYTHING STUDIOS ) ARE SPAMMISH

i support now CAN I CURATE THE STUDIO

TL;DW: Don't make them.

Asecretalt wrote:

i support now CAN I CURATE THE STUDIO

Didn't you even read this?

I support this idea as well. I think the idea of creators hiding studios from their project pages is brilliant!

Asecretalt wrote:

i support now CAN I CURATE THE STUDIO

You realise that there is a point to curating the studio, not just adding it to your collection of studios you curate…

I think that users should decide what studios go on the project sidebar of their own projects. This should be combined with solution 2 this will make it so that if you make a project about Harry Potter and you want only Harry Potter related studios to appear in the studio side bar but 30 add everything studios have added your project and only 3 Harry Potter studios have added your project. When you go online you find 32 studio notifications you then proceed to edit your studio side bar. You can now remove any unwanted studios such as the add everything ones. And Harry Potter fans can discover new, possibly good projects from other scratchers that share the same theme and meet scratchers who have the same interest.

I think this solution solves most problems by allowing add everything gallery owners to continue to compete with each other with out ruining the social aspect of scratch.

This will not solve the problem completely especially for scratchers who only go online to upload games but they are generally less interested in scratches social side.

I do not agree that new scratchers should not be allowed to create galleries because when I was a new scratcher I used galleries to categorise my projects.

I read this article. It was yesterday so i don't entirely remember it, but I remember the general idea. Personally, these studios have worked out alright for me. If I'm invited, I either ignore it or accept, add a few projects, and forget about the studio. I think it should be remembered that that's an option too. It doesn't really bother me that they're around, but I understand why it bothers some people. I do get annoyed went twenty million things show up at the end of the day about activities in all the studios. I've had some people politely ask me not to invite them to curate these studios, so I stop, end of story. I thinking banning the studios would be a bad idea, because as you say, there's no obvious way to tell if the studio is an add everything studio, unless it has the words ‘add everything’ in the name, which people would just find clever ways to avoid. I don't mean to be a pessimist, but I also dislike the idea of having a notification whenever your project is added to a studio. Although it's nice to know where your projects are, if you get one whenever someone adds a bunch of projects to a studio by tag or something, you don't particularly care if it's in some random add everything studio, and chances are, you can't take it out. I agree with everything you say about asking a Scratcher's permission. I think users should be allowed to remove their projects from studios, because even though you say ‘it damages the freedom studios should have’, I think that if a user doesn't want their project in a studio, whether it's ‘add everything’ or ‘warrior cats’. I think if Scratch Team discouraged studios, people wouldn't care. It's not that people don't care about ST- we all do. But if they didn't ban them, people would just find excuses, I think, and people against add everything studios would keep on saying ‘But ST says they’re a bad idea!', driving studios owners crazy and creating unnecessary arguments. I think hiding add everything studios is a good idea, but, like nearly all ideas, has flaws. Think about it- a Scratcher like me has probably between two hundred and four hundred projects. Some of these they probably don't care about which studios they're in, like CC entries. But those games and things that they DO care about- two hundred projects is a LOT to go through and decide which studios to show. I think limiting projects is not a good idea. First of all, most add everything studios have way more than, say, a thousand projects. How would you get rid of the extras? Besides, I'd say that basically the same thing as banning add everything studios- adding a thousand projects certainly isn't everything, which would make the studio owners very mad- speaking of which, I think that is one topic this article over looked: Add-everything studio owners. Although you asked some if you could ADD projects, there's nothing about how they felt about the issue. I think it would be useful to see their opinions on the studios. I strongly disagree with only letting Scratchers create studios. Chances are, if this happened, lots of New Scratchers trying to explore Scratch would want to make a studio, and not necessarily an add everything studio. This would limit how much New Scratchers would be able to learn about Scratch, and cause them to be unhappy.
So I've made my points about PhirripSyrrip's ideas, I think. I'll explain MY idea.
This probably has a million loopholes etc., feel free to point them out. Feel free to point out anything about this reply, really.
Have galleries- and I don't mean 1.4 galleries. These galleries could hold studios in them, and would be owned by Scratch Team. Add Everything studios could be a gallery, and there could be some sort of incentive to put your studio in a gallery. I think there should be galleries for many different genres, like art, music, and games, so owners of studios wouldn't feel left out and want to make an add everything studio. In addition to controlling the add everything studios into one place, this would help show how many of these studios there are,and make it easier to browse studios of a genre. Any thoughts?
I'd say I support the idea of controlling add everything studios, because I don't see a specific goal in them- I mean, duh, add everything, but through my eyes, at least, that's impossible. But I'm just not sure if there's any good way to do this- especially if the ST doesn't think they should be. After all, you CAN make a gallery about whatever you want.

Some interesting points, I'll offer my views on your post-

helloyowuzzup wrote:

I don't mean to be a pessimist, but I also dislike the idea of having a notification whenever your project is added to a studio. Although it's nice to know where your projects are, if you get one whenever someone adds a bunch of projects to a studio by tag or something, you don't particularly care if it's in some random add everything studio, and chances are, you can't take it out.

The thing is that some people really do mind where their projects go and want to be notified. If you don't want to receive notifications, a possible solution to this would be if we could control which notifications we got. Therefore, people who want to know get to know and if you don't care, you won't keep being notified.

helloyowuzzup wrote:

I think if Scratch Team discouraged studios, people wouldn't care.

I believe that if the ST said that projects should have a purpose and carefully choose which projects they add, some people will get the message. Of course, this won't solve the problem- it probably won't get anywhere near solving it, but we believe that there are thousands of these studios out there and if the ST just put some sort of statement out somewhere, perhaps, just perhaps some will listen. But then you must ask where they announce it- only a small portion of the community look at the forums, and there aren't really any other places, except maybe a message coming up when you make a new studio.

helloyowuzzup wrote:

I think hiding add everything studios is a good idea, but, like nearly all ideas, has flaws. Think about it- a Scratcher like me has probably between two hundred and four hundred projects. Some of these they probably don't care about which studios they're in, like CC entries. But those games and things that they DO care about- two hundred projects is a LOT to go through and decide which studios to show.

If you got notifications whenever a project is added to a studio, you wouldn't need to keep going through all your projects. Perhaps there could also be a setting to control not only what types of notifications you get (love-its, remixes, added to a studio etc.) but also on which projects you get notifications for. That way, if you have some projects such as CC entries that you don't care much about, you won't be notified but for more important projects you will be. Later today I might draw up what such a system might look like.

helloyowuzzup wrote:

I think limiting projects is not a good idea. First of all, most add everything studios have way more than, say, a thousand projects. How would you get rid of the extras?

For already existing studios with, say, 1000+ projects, they simply won't be allowed to add anymore. For studios with under 1000, they won't be able to add more than 1000.

helloyowuzzup wrote:

Besides, I'd say that basically the same thing as banning add everything studios- adding a thousand projects certainly isn't everything, which would make the studio owners very mad

I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understand what you're saying…

helloyowuzzup wrote:

… which would make the studio owners very mad- speaking of which, I think that is one topic this article over looked: Add-everything studio owners. Although you asked some if you could ADD projects, there's nothing about how they felt about the issue. I think it would be useful to see their opinions on the studios.

If I say so myself, I don't think I overlooked the owners, but anyway…

Ok, I'll see if I can find out more. From glimpses I've seen so far, it looks like the owners simply want to keep adding projects, no matter what. Sure, many will remove projects if you ask nicely. But the fact is that they still keep adding projects, and they will continue to unless something is done, which is what this campaign aims to do.

hellowowuzzup wrote:

I strongly disagree with only letting Scratchers create studios. Chances are, if this happened, lots of New Scratchers trying to explore Scratch would want to make a studio, and not necessarily an add everything studio. This would limit how much New Scratchers would be able to learn about Scratch, and cause them to be unhappy.

As someone else pointed out, it really isn't that hard to become a Scratcher these days. In any case, I doubt that a New Scratcher's first priority when coming on Scratch would be to make studios- that's not how Scratch works. People come here to program, all the extra stuff like studios comes afterwards. In the case of teachers who need studios, I'm sure that there can be somesort of classroom that I've seen proposed before and I think the ST are going to implement…

About your idea: First of all I think it will give the ST unnecessary amounts of work to do. Also, you say that people would be given “some sort of incentive to put your studio in a gallery”, the problem is, what incentive? There are also many studios that simply won't fit in any gallery, such as personal collections.

And just a small word of advice, try and space out your text next time you make a large post, it makes it much easier to read and to find text you're looking for

I think this is a situation where we might actually need a new rank, Trusted Scratcher (or Experienced Scratcher). My thought is that New Scratchers would have a limit of 100 projects in a studio, Scratchers would have a limit of 1,000, and Trusted Scratchers could have as many as they want.

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this is mean and heartless

crainstudios wrote:

this is mean and heartless

Please elaborate, I'm interested. If I were being mean and heartless, I'd say “Banish all these studios from the lands of Scratch! Even though some have had lots of effort put into them, destroy it all!!!”

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