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abee
Scratcher
1000+ posts

ScratchWikiの日本語化プロジェクト

皆さんができるというのであれば、日本独自で行きましょう。誰が取りまとめますか。
その場合であっても、Scracth Wiki自体が国際的な枠組みで運営されている訳なので、英語のコミュニケーションを全く無くすことはできません(そうしないと日本の活動が孤立してしまいます)。今もドメイン名や管理者を誰にするのかという問い合わせが来ています(上の書き込みを読んでください)。
kaorun343さん提案のGitHub Pagesなど別の枠組みで行う方法もあると思いますが、その場合はWikiではないので仕切り直しになると思います。
azennto
Scratcher
1000+ posts

ScratchWikiの日本語化プロジェクト

abee wrote:

皆さんができるというのであれば、日本独自で行きましょう。誰が取りまとめますか。
その場合であっても、Scracth Wiki自体が国際的な枠組みで運営されている訳なので、英語のコミュニケーションを全く無くすことはできません(そうしないと日本の活動が孤立してしまいます)。今もドメイン名や管理者を誰にするのかという問い合わせが来ています(上の書き込みを読んでください)。
kaorun343さん提案のGitHub Pagesなど別の枠組みで行う方法もあると思いますが、その場合はWikiではないので仕切り直しになると思います。
そういう問題もあるんですね。

質問です。管理者には、最低どんな環境が必要なのですか?

ワンチャン大学入試終わったらScratchのオフラインのコミュニティを作るかもなのでそのときはみんな来てね!!!!!!!!!
ebiyuu1121
Scratcher
100+ posts

ScratchWikiの日本語化プロジェクト

abeeさんに管理者を任せることはできないのですか?
この中でスクラッチチームとも関係がありますし、英語力も最も高いと思います。
abee
Scratcher
1000+ posts

ScratchWikiの日本語化プロジェクト

Scratch Wikiで使っているのは、MediaWikiなので、それが使える環境なら大丈夫です。
環境というか、どっちかというと、リーダーシップとか、コミュニケーション力とか。

Last edited by abee (March 31, 2015 12:31:45)

abee
Scratcher
1000+ posts

ScratchWikiの日本語化プロジェクト

残念ながら、私はScratch本体の翻訳や別の仕事で精いっぱいです。
それなので、皆さんの力次第と思っています。
あと、世界的にもScratch Wikiは大人ではなくて、子供の手で回しています。
大人がやってうまくできたとしても、皆さん自身で達成したことにならないでしょう。

Last edited by abee (March 31, 2015 14:52:25)

mirukuma
Scratcher
1000+ posts

ScratchWikiの日本語化プロジェクト

具体的に管理者の英語力はどれくらい必要でしょうか?

Scratchにおいて、もはや技術の時代は終わった。しかし、それは良いことであったと思う。
abee
Scratcher
1000+ posts

ScratchWikiの日本語化プロジェクト

このスレにあるLiFaytheGoblinさんやMartinWollenweberさん、Rumantiさんの書き込みを読んで返事が書けるくらいだと思います。
もしそれができないとすると、ちょっとしたやりとりするたびに他の人の手を借りないといけません。
shuprogram
Scratcher
90 posts

ScratchWikiの日本語化プロジェクト

少し話が逸れますが、今度のスクラッチデイで一度集まって見てはどうでしょうか?ちなみに僕は行くつもりです。

shuprogramです。
僕の新作です。これを使って簡単に音楽を作ることができます。スクラッチデイで発表しました。みてください。

Hi! I'm shuprogram.
I made a new project to compose your own music. I presented at Scratch Day Tokyo 2015. Check it now!
azennto
Scratcher
1000+ posts

ScratchWikiの日本語化プロジェクト

shuprogram wrote:

少し話が逸れますが、今度のスクラッチデイで一度集まって見てはどうでしょうか?ちなみに僕は行くつもりです。
話の乱入者だ!

行けない人も居るような気がするので、Skypeとか活用した方が良いと思います。

ワンチャン大学入試終わったらScratchのオフラインのコミュニティを作るかもなのでそのときはみんな来てね!!!!!!!!!
mtaiking
Scratcher
1000+ posts

ScratchWikiの日本語化プロジェクト

azennto wrote:

shuprogram wrote:

少し話が逸れますが、今度のスクラッチデイで一度集まって見てはどうでしょうか?ちなみに僕は行くつもりです。
話の乱入者だ!

行けない人も居るような気がするので、Skypeとか活用した方が良いと思います。
いける人だけ

SUSHI食べたい
MartinWollenweber
Scratcher
95 posts

ScratchWikiの日本語化プロジェクト

I hope your discussion was successful?
We would be very happy if somebody of you makes a start at http://jp.scratch-wiki.info.
Therefore we publish user-data for login here (as a time-limited exception)

http://jp.scratch-wiki.info
username: startuser
password: startNow

You can get your personal userdata if you ask for if you mail to: 'infoATjp.scratch-wiki.info'.
If you think you are qualified for getting admin of http://jp.scratch-wiki.info please tell us: We are still searching for an japanese admin.
To show that you ar qualified, you could translate the Wiki Skin in to Japanese an send it to: 'infoATjp.scratch-wiki.info', so we can set it up.
The original skin is here: https://github.com/LLK/scratchwikiskin .
Thank you in advance for making a start!

Martin (http://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/User:MartinWollenweber)

P.S.: see also: http://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/Scratch_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#Japanese_Scratch_Wiki

Last edited by MartinWollenweber (April 11, 2015 10:01:45)

abee
Scratcher
1000+ posts

ScratchWikiの日本語化プロジェクト

Unfortunately nobody steps forward as a manager of the Japanese Wiki and we cannot decide our policy at this time.
Some guys propose to have a meeting at Scratch Day Tokyo on May 9.
We hope we will make decision at there. I am sorry this indecisive answer.
MartinWollenweber
Scratcher
95 posts

ScratchWikiの日本語化プロジェクト

abee wrote:

Unfortunately nobody steps forward as a manager of the Japanese Wiki and we cannot decide our policy at this time.
Some guys propose to have a meeting at Scratch Day Tokyo on May 9.
We hope we will make decision at there. I am sorry this indecisive answer.

The Japanese Forum is the most active international Forum and we have been so happy, that you asked to run a japanese Scratch-Wiki with so many start-members. Specialy if there are so few english speaking Scratchers in Japan a Japanese Scratch Wiki would even be more important. We can't belive that all our efforts are based on a misunderstanding….We're shure that you will make a start with your wiki. Perhaps you find other japanese Scratchers, that did not folow this discussion to make a start? We promise to help you as good as we can.Good luck with your Scratch Day in Tokyo…we will have also a Scratch Day in Germany at the same time: Perhaps we could have a Skype-Meeting or G+ Meeting in english language? What do you think?

shuprogram wrote:

Hello! I'm Japanese. We are planning to work on Scratch Wiki Japan. We already have a lot of users who wants to help this project.
Users
@kyrie0513
@abee
@yaya3156
@mirukuma
@mtalking
@ko2222
@naritaku
@shuprogram
We are working on that project on here (Japanese)
To start on, what do we needs to do?


Martin (http://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/User:MartinWollenweber)
shuprogram
Scratcher
90 posts

ScratchWikiの日本語化プロジェクト

MartinWollenweber wrote:

The Japanese Forum is the most active international Forum and we have been so happy, that you asked to run a japanese Scratch-Wiki with so many start-members. Specialy if there are so few english speaking Scratchers in Japan a Japanese Scratch Wiki would even be more important. We can't belive that all our efforts are based on a misunderstanding….We're shure that you will make a start with your wiki. Perhaps you find other japanese Scratchers, that did not folow this discussion to make a start? We promise to help you as good as we can.Good luck with your Scratch Day in Tokyo…we will have also a Scratch Day in Germany at the same time: Perhaps we could have a Skype-Meeting or G+ Meeting in english language? What do you think?

Martin (http://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/User:MartinWollenweber)
Hello. Thank you for helping us a lot for making wiki. Also, sorry for asking help before deciding manager.
As @abee said, we haven't decided the manager for the wiki. We are thinking several ways to talk at other places, including Scratch Day or Skype.
I'm looking forward to talk each other on Scratch Day but what are we going to do for 7 hours time-difference?
Also, April is a start of new school year for Japan and kids are busy thesedays. So, we can't have active discusstion.
Again, thank you for helping us.

shuprogramです。
僕の新作です。これを使って簡単に音楽を作ることができます。スクラッチデイで発表しました。みてください。

Hi! I'm shuprogram.
I made a new project to compose your own music. I presented at Scratch Day Tokyo 2015. Check it now!
MartinWollenweber
Scratcher
95 posts

ScratchWikiの日本語化プロジェクト

shuprogram wrote:

I'm looking forward to talk each other on Scratch Day but what are we going to do for 7 hours time-difference?
Also, April is a start of new school year for Japan and kids are busy thesedays. So, we can't have active discusstion.
Again, thank you for helping us.
You're welcome In Germany we mostly have no school at Saturday and so many authors of the DACH-Scratch-Wiki- will come together at ScratchDay in Bochum from different parts of Germany, starting Friday 8.May late afternoon until Saturday 9.May afternoon. So there should be some hous in between where the time difference is acceptable e.g. 9:00 (in Germany) +7hours= 16:00 (in Japan). At which time of the day your ScratchDay will take place?

In our Scratch-Community we have a so called “ScratchClub” (http://scratch-dach.info/wiki/SC ) where we meet online every week at Wednesday 20:00 by voicechat using Skype or G+. We already managed it to invite the founder of the russian wiki…but 20.00 would really be a problem….3:00am in Japan…

Last edited by MartinWollenweber (May 9, 2015 14:37:31)

LiFaytheGoblin
Forum Moderator
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ScratchWikiの日本語化プロジェクト

Hi everyone! How was the japanese Scratch Day? Did you talk about the Wiki?


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MartinWollenweber
Scratcher
95 posts

ScratchWikiの日本語化プロジェクト

Hi everyone, we, the DACH-Scratch-Wiki-Team (http://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/DACH-Scratch_Wiki) , are really interested on the results of your Scratch Day in Tokyo. We hope it was a big success! We saw that they had a photo of it at “Scratch Video Update” (https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/youtube/Pfk1T7EzPHs/). Great! Is there a chance to start your own Japanese Scratch-Wiki? Anybody of you can make a start by logging in with this account:

http://jp.scratch-wiki.info
username: startuser
password: startNow

Feel free to contact us for help!
We are looking every Wednesday, when we virtually meet in our G+ based Scratch-Club, if you already started the Japanese Scratch Wiki ;-)
Good Luck an Scratch On!
shuprogram
Scratcher
90 posts

ScratchWikiの日本語化プロジェクト

MartinWollenweber wrote:

Hi everyone, we, the DACH-Scratch-Wiki-Team (http://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/DACH-Scratch_Wiki) , are really interested on the results of your Scratch Day in Tokyo. We hope it was a big success!
Sorry, since Scratch Day had a lot of events, we could not talk each other. A lot of people had job,work to do. Though we passed the busy time so I think we can be more active soon.
Is there a chance to start your own Japanese Scratch-Wiki? Anybody of you can make a start by logging in with this account:

http://jp.scratch-wiki.info
username: startuser
password: startNow
I made a small article of Scratch!
Also, I want to make guide to use it for people who can't read English but how can I edit special pages like top page?

Last edited by shuprogram (May 16, 2015 11:05:40)


shuprogramです。
僕の新作です。これを使って簡単に音楽を作ることができます。スクラッチデイで発表しました。みてください。

Hi! I'm shuprogram.
I made a new project to compose your own music. I presented at Scratch Day Tokyo 2015. Check it now!
MartinWollenweber
Scratcher
95 posts

ScratchWikiの日本語化プロジェクト

shuprogram wrote:

Sorry, since Scratch Day had a lot of events, we could not talk each other. A lot of people had job,work to do. Though we passed the busy time so I think we can be more active soon.
No problem. We're happy that Tokyo-Scratch-Day was a success. We are looking very forward on your future activities!

shuprogram wrote:

I made a small article of Scratch!
Great! I found your article at http://jp.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Scratch. It's still very short, but we are happy that you made a start!

shuprogram wrote:

Also, I want to make guide to use it for people who can't read English but how can I edit special pages like top page?

Great! Perhaps you can get admin? I know you are still very young, but Joren Lauwers (JSO), the first main admin of the English Scratch-Wiki was also only about 14 when he started with the wiki (11 when starting with Scratch). When about 18, he left his home-country Belgium to study at MIT. Shortly before that, we had Joeren as guest at Scratch Day 2013 in Germany, see here (sorry it's a German article, perhaps google translate helps): http://scratch-dach.info/wiki/Bericht_vom_Scratch_Day_2013_in_Bochum_/_Hattingen#Joren_Lauwers.

Here you have answers to your questions and tips & hints to make a start:

1.
“startuser” is only an open wiki-account we just set up, because nobody asked for his own account at http://jp.scratch-wiki.info. We can't give too much rights to this account, but we can give you your own account with more rights. Until now we don't have that “automatic account system” like the English scratch-wiki has, so you have to write a mail to get your password. Since there is no mail-account for the jp-wiki until now, feel free to write to my eMail-Address mtwoll(at)gmail(dot)com. We will try to set up the automatic-account system on the international wikis asap.

2.
you need to translate the scratch-wiki-skin to Japanese, to have the wiki fully in your language. Our admin akhof did set up the German skin to make a start, but please try to translate the English skin you find at https://github.com/LLK/scratchwikiskin an send us the files by mail. We than will set up your Japaneses wiki-skin. If you're logged in, you can change your skin, user-language and other things at http://jp.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Special:Preferences (for so called “Special Pages” you can always use the English and the Japanese Page-URL alternatively.)

3.
I found you at the English scratch-wiki ( http://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/User:Shuprogram ), but you did not much edits there until now (http://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&tagfilter=&contribs=user&target=Shuprogram ). It's good to have an account there if you want to get more involved, because this is the scratch-wiki where it all began and were most scratch-wiki-authors are. Our most active authors have accounts there too. Some of the international scratchers have accounts in different scratch-wikis, so they are Interwiki-Authors. see:
http://scratch-dach.info/wiki/Scratch-Wiki:Team_Mitglieder#Interwiki_Autoren

If you want to have an Interwiki-Account at http://scratch-dach.info/ please tell us in your mail.

4.
To learn more about the Wiki-Software that is used in all Scratch-Wikis, Wikipedia and many other Wikis, go to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki/ja . There seems to be lots of information in Japanese language. You can surly contact Japanese People, that know much about Wikimedia, to help you getting “inside” your on scratch-wiki-project in Japanese language.

5.
Perhaps you or other members of the Japanese Scratch-Community consider to get Wikipedia-Authors too? We have some German authors that are both and we are caring for the German Wikipedia Entry on Scratch here http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scratch_%28Programmiersprache%29. Perhaps you are interested to care for the Japanese Entry here: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scratch_(%E3%83%97%E3%83%AD%E3%82%B0%E3%83%A9%E3%83%9F%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B0%E8%A8%80%E8%AA%9E) …oh sorry, I don't know how to copy&paste Japaneses-letters…if the link doesn't work, go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scratch_(programming_language) and jump to Japanese-version from there.

shuprogram wrote:

Hi! I'm shuprogram.
I made a new project to compose your own music. I presented at Scratch Day Tokyo 2015. Check it now!
I checked it out and liked it

Martin (http://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/User:MartinWollenweber)

Last edited by MartinWollenweber (May 19, 2015 08:39:33)

mirukuma
Scratcher
1000+ posts

ScratchWikiの日本語化プロジェクト

編集のテスト
http://jp.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Scratch

Scratchにおいて、もはや技術の時代は終わった。しかし、それは良いことであったと思う。

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