Currently the “What the community is loving” section works by showing the twenty projects that have been loved the most in the past week. The “What the community is remixing” works the same way but instant the past week it's the past ten days and instead of loves, remixes.

But there is a problem here, which is illustrated by this story: let's say that two scratchers, one with 100 followers and the other with 200 followers both share a project of the same (objective) quality. The scratcher's with 100 followers gets 25 loves on his project in the first week they shared the project, but the scratcher with 200 followers gets 50 loves within the week they shared the project. Even though both scratchers have made equally good projects, the one with 200 followers get mores loves, due to having more followers, and thus a better chance at get in the “What the community is loving” section. This illustrates the problem that people with more followers (and just popularity in general) can get better chances at getting one the “What the community is loving/remixing” section for reason other than the quality of their projects.

So I suggest that the “What the community is loving/remixing” section works by show the twenty projects with the most loves/remixes in the past week/ten days divided by how many followers they have.

EDIT: If someone has 0 followers then they would count as someone with 1.

How would this work if somebody had no followers but got a few loves (without favs) on a project? Also, what if somebody made a good quality beta project if their test account? I feel like there are a lot of loopholes here, so no support.

What if someone has a ton of ghost followers or someone makes a ton of alts just to follow others to make it harder to get into top loved but shares a project to claim that they aren't a follow account. If this is implemented people will start asking others not to follow them.

hellounicorns2 wrote:

How would this work if somebody had no followers but got a few loves (without favs) on a project? Also, what if somebody made a good quality beta project if their test account? I feel like there are a lot of loopholes here, so no support.

If some has zero followers then let's just say they count as someone with 1 follower. I don't know what you mean with the test account example.

muellly wrote:

What if someone has a ton of ghost followers or someone makes a ton of alts just to follow others to make it harder to get into top loved but shares a project to claim that they aren't a follow account. If this is implemented people will start asking others not to follow them.

No it wouldn't. Becuase while more people following them makes each love and remix they get count towards less, it would be countered by people getting more loves and remixes. To see this explained in more detail check out this project. (Which is what made me come up with this suggestion in the first place.)

EDIT: And about what you said about ghost followers, if someone got made a account, followed a bunch of users and had only one project and did basically nothing else, don't you think that would be suspicious enough for someone to report them, and for the Scratch team to tell that they are a follow account?

The community ultimately decides what gets put up there, so no support.
although I do think people with less followers should get recognized easier

wWSunPandaWw wrote:

The community ultimately decides what gets put up there, so no support.
although I do think people with less followers should get recognized easier

The community will still get to chose what gets up there. This will just make stuff get up there becuase the community actually likes it and not becuase it got more attention.

calulord wrote:

wWSunPandaWw wrote:

The community ultimately decides what gets put up there, so no support.
although I do think people with less followers should get recognized easier

The community will still get to chose what gets up there. This will just make stuff get up there becuase the community actually likes it and not becuase it got more attention.

But remixes and loves show that you enjoy it.
It seems that you think that a Love=Attention and Love =/=Enjoyment of the project.

calulord wrote:

wWSunPandaWw wrote:

The community ultimately decides what gets put up there, so no support.
although I do think people with less followers should get recognized easier

The community will still get to chose what gets up there. This will just make stuff get up there becuase the community actually likes it and not becuase it got more attention.

Follow botting would become insane to try and get the competitive edge.

wWSunPandaWw wrote:

calulord wrote:

wWSunPandaWw wrote:

The community ultimately decides what gets put up there, so no support.
although I do think people with less followers should get recognized easier

The community will still get to chose what gets up there. This will just make stuff get up there becuase the community actually likes it and not becuase it got more attention.

But remixes and loves show that you enjoy it.
It seems that you think that a Love=Attention and Love =/=Enjoyment of the project.

But people can get loves and remixes disportionate to how enjoyable their project is realitive to other projects because they have more or less attention than other people.

braxbroscratcher wrote:

calulord wrote:

wWSunPandaWw wrote:

The community ultimately decides what gets put up there, so no support.
although I do think people with less followers should get recognized easier

The community will still get to chose what gets up there. This will just make stuff get up there becuase the community actually likes it and not becuase it got more attention.

Follow botting would become insane to try and get the competitive edge.

Slippery slope fallacy. Not to mention that love botting isn’t insane now, and it’s just as a viable way to get the competitive edge now as follow botting would be if this was implemented.

calulord wrote:

wWSunPandaWw wrote:

calulord wrote:

wWSunPandaWw wrote:

The community ultimately decides what gets put up there, so no support.
although I do think people with less followers should get recognized easier

The community will still get to chose what gets up there. This will just make stuff get up there becuase the community actually likes it and not becuase it got more attention.

But remixes and loves show that you enjoy it.
It seems that you think that a Love=Attention and Love =/=Enjoyment of the project.

But people can get loves and remixes disportionate to how enjoyable their project is realitive to other projects because they have more or less attention than other people.

That's your opinion. If I enjoyed a project, I loved it. I don't care what other people's opinions are on the project, I still really enjoyed it and therefore still gave it a love. Remember, when your project receives a love, you get a message saying “Person loved your project”, not “The entire community loved your project”.

wWSunPandaWw wrote:

calulord wrote:

wWSunPandaWw wrote:

calulord wrote:

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That's your opinion. If I enjoyed a project, I loved it. I don't care what other people's opinions are on the project, I still really enjoyed it and therefore still gave it a love. Remember, when your project receives a love, you get a message saying “Person loved your project”, not “The entire community loved your project”.

I know that. By “enjoyable” I meant “enjoyable to the community overall”.

calulord wrote:

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muellly wrote:

What if someone has a ton of ghost followers or someone makes a ton of alts just to follow others to make it harder to get into top loved but shares a project to claim that they aren't a follow account. If this is implemented people will start asking others not to follow them.

No it wouldn't. Becuase while more people following them makes each love and remix they get count towards less, it would be countered by people getting more loves and remixes. To see this explained in more detail check out this project. (Which is what made me come up with this suggestion in the first place.)

EDIT: And about what you said about ghost followers, if someone got made a account, followed a bunch of users and had only one project and did basically nothing else, don't you think that would be suspicious enough for someone to report them, and for the Scratch team to tell that they are a follow account?

Accounts just to follow and ghost followers are two different things. A ghost follower is a follower who has gone inactive. Inactive people do not look at your projects. Also not everyone follows because they like your projects. They may follow because of something from a forum or studio. A follower does not equal someone who will even look at your projects. I only actively look at the projects of 3 people I am following, the rest were because they were friendly to me. I have only ever followed someone after seeing them from the front page once, and that was because they were curated and I liked most of their projects. While I agree that there is a problem with the way the top loved section, and the front page in general works I don't think measuring top loved by loves divided by followers is the way to go. Popularity does not equal followers, it equals how many people care about your projects/how well known you are.

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calulord wrote:

I know that. By “enjoyable” I meant “enjoyable to the community overall”.

Just because one person doesn't enjoy it doesn't mean the entire community has the same opinion.
There is always going to be someone who is going to dislike a project in the Top Loved section (but please don't say this–you're entitled to your own opinion, but it's polite not to say it if it's negative and provides no constructive criticism.). The entire Community is never going to all love a project. Or All hate it.

wWSunPandaWw wrote:

calulord wrote:

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Just because one person doesn't enjoy it doesn't mean the entire community has the same opinion.
There is always going to be someone who is going to dislike a project in the Top Loved section (but please don't say this–you're entitled to your own opinion, but it's polite not to say it if it's negative and provides no constructive criticism.). The entire Community is never going to all love a project. Or All hate it.

By “overall” I mean “in general”.

Support, as it makes it almost impossible for people with few followers to get their projects noticed. I'm not sure if just straight up dividing would be the best approach however; perhaps people who haven't logged on in the past month might not count, and also I think some sort of logarithmic scale or other non-linear function might be best; if just having two followers instead of 1 makes it twice as unlikely to get your project front paged, that wouldn't exactly be a good thing.

Apparently my old signature was lost::custom hat
Oh well, I guess this will do ::custom cap

muellly wrote:

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Accounts just to follow and ghost followers are two different things. A ghost follower is a follower who has gone inactive. Inactive people do not look at your projects. Also not everyone follows because they like your projects. They may follow because of something from a forum or studio. A follower does not equal someone who will even look at your projects. I only actively look at the projects of 3 people I am following, the rest were because they were friendly to me. I have only ever followed someone after seeing them from the front page once, and that was because they were curated and I liked most of their projects. While I agree that there is a problem with the way the top loved section, and the front page in general works I don't think measuring top loved by loves divided by followers is the way to go. Popularity does not equal followers, it equals how many people care about your projects/how well known you are.

I know that popularity doesn't equal followers, but I do believe followers are a good way to estimate it.

calulord wrote:

By “overall” I mean “in general”.

I could just use my same statement. I still don't support this suggestion.

wWSunPandaWw wrote:

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I could just use my same statement. I still don't support this suggestion.

Do you even know what “in general” even means? I’m never said ever that the entire community likes hates something. I mean that the say that the way “What the community is loving/remixing” section works favors people with more attention and thus people’s odds of getting on there are disproportionate to how much people in the community likes it in general.

EDIT: Here is a better way of putting it “on average”.

The point of the What the Community is Loving/Remixing rows are to show which projects have been getting the most loves/remixes. Followers are not mentioned in that description.

Besides, many people don't get followers because of their projects - on my old account, I had 100+ followers and an average of 2-3 loves per project. The only reason I even got any of those followers was because of a massive AE studio I started (don't ask). The point is, a higher follower count doesn't necessarily equate to more loves on projects. Many people do F4F and have 100s of followers who never look at their projects. And even if a user's followers all followed them because they liked the user's projects, the user still might not be receiving many loves, because their followers might've gone inactive.

So to sum up my point, no support.

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