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#521Feb. 14, 2023 19:12:13
MagicCrayon9342
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js or python

Compiled Languages FTW

Neither JavaScript or Python
#522Feb. 14, 2023 23:31:08
PkmnQ
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js or python

Neither of them are concatenative
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#523Feb. 15, 2023 00:18:16
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js or python

MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

Compiled Languages FTW

Neither JavaScript or Python
fun fact: Python is compiled (into a Python bytecode)
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#524Feb. 15, 2023 01:32:55
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js or python

TheSecondGilbert wrote:

MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

Compiled Languages FTW

Neither JavaScript or Python
fun fact: Python is compiled (into a Python bytecode)

python bytecode is interpreted.




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#525Feb. 15, 2023 01:34:45
PkmnQ
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ScratchCatHELLO wrote:

TheSecondGilbert wrote:

MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

Compiled Languages FTW

Neither JavaScript or Python
fun fact: Python is compiled (into a Python bytecode)

python bytecode is interpreted.
Nobody calls Java interpreted (or at least I haven't heard anyone say that)
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#526Feb. 15, 2023 03:16:39
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js or python

PkmnQ wrote:

ScratchCatHELLO wrote:

TheSecondGilbert wrote:

MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

Compiled Languages FTW

Neither JavaScript or Python
fun fact: Python is compiled (into a Python bytecode)

python bytecode is interpreted.
Nobody calls Java interpreted (or at least I haven't heard anyone say that)
Java?
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#527Feb. 15, 2023 05:34:46
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js or python

TheSecondGilbert wrote:

MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

Compiled Languages FTW

Neither JavaScript or Python
fun fact: Python is compiled (into a Python bytecode)
if we're going based on that, so is JS
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#528Feb. 15, 2023 06:10:16
TheSecondGilbert
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js or python

bigspeedfpv wrote:

TheSecondGilbert wrote:

MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

Compiled Languages FTW

Neither JavaScript or Python
fun fact: Python is compiled (into a Python bytecode)
if we're going based on that, so is JS
I wonder where JavaScript is compiled to. WebAssembly? JIT?

Last edited by TheSecondGilbert (Feb. 15, 2023 06:11:16)

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#529Feb. 15, 2023 06:47:37
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TheSecondGilbert wrote:

bigspeedfpv wrote:

TheSecondGilbert wrote:

MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

Compiled Languages FTW

Neither JavaScript or Python
fun fact: Python is compiled (into a Python bytecode)
if we're going based on that, so is JS
I wonder where JavaScript is compiled to. WebAssembly? JIT?
not sure how it works with other engines, but V8 has two components - Ignition, which interprets JS (compiles to bytecode), and Turbofan, which generates optimized machine code in the background. that's why V8 based platforms like Chrome and Node have a warm-up period
here's an article from when Turbofan launched: https://v8.dev/blog/launching-ignition-and-turbofan
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#530Feb. 15, 2023 07:16:33
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bigspeedfpv wrote:

not sure how it works with other engines
really similarly, for example JSC (JavaScriptCore) has 4 tiers of execution with each being faster than the last
  1. Interpreter - just javascript bytecode interpreter
  2. Baseline JIT - first level of JIT'd javascript bytecode, unoptimized
  3. DFG (Data Flow Graph) JIT - optimized machine code using data flow analysis
  4. FTL (Faster Than Light) JIT - highly optimized machine code based off of the B3 JIT compiler, previously based off LLVM
also javascriptcore is really really really fast, comparable to if not faster than v8 in most situations
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#531Feb. 15, 2023 13:38:28
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CST1229 wrote:

(and also that JavaScript can be used for web development (i know brython exists btw))
Honestly, the languages should be seperated from each other along with their purposes. In a web-based context, JavaScript should be strictly for web/frontend development and Python should be used for backends.

Trying to mix the two just makes your stack strange. Brython ports just enough functionality to write a Python equivalent of JavaScript for the browser. You can't actually use the neat package ecosystem (no Pandas :cry:) And JavaScript on the backend is sort of annoying since you need a bunch of packages that would be available with Python and also JS modules are terrible (CommonJS and ModuleJS compatibility pains)

MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

Compiled Languages FTW

Neither JavaScript or Python
I'd like to see you use a compiled language

Last edited by ajskateboarder (Feb. 15, 2023 13:39:07)

#532Feb. 15, 2023 18:55:38
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ajskateboarder wrote:

I'd like to see you use a compiled language
Holy smokes! Shots fired!
#533Feb. 15, 2023 21:19:28
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completeness wrote:

ajskateboarder wrote:

I'd like to see you use a compiled language
Holy smokes! Shots fired!
OK WE GET IT completeness, you make programs in C under your rock, congrats with the cool kid points

Last edited by ajskateboarder (Feb. 15, 2023 21:21:42)

#534Feb. 16, 2023 18:28:54
SAVVYSCLUTTER
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Python is better for running locally; JS is better for building advanced webpages.
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#535Feb. 16, 2023 18:38:30
Zachary13265
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gosoccerboy5 wrote:

Javascript is better than python on infinity counts

You don't prep me!
#536Feb. 16, 2023 18:57:08
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JavaScript is good on modding scratch-gui and other LLK repos, Python on the other hand can be used for data, cloud variables and other stuff!

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#537Feb. 16, 2023 20:48:08
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WojtekGame wrote:

JavaScript is good on modding scratch-gui and other LLK repos, Python on the other hand can be used for data, cloud variables and other stuff!
I think they mean for general use.
#538Feb. 16, 2023 20:51:46
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Looking to general use is unideal, you should use the language best for what you want to do

Last edited by MagicCrayon9342 (Feb. 16, 2023 20:52:43)

#539Feb. 17, 2023 18:32:26
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MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

Looking to general use is unideal, you should use the language best for what you want to do
Both languages can be used for pretty much anything, just JavaScript and Python have different library sets that make certain things easier. Ultimately, general use is probably the best way to look at these languages specifically!
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#540Feb. 17, 2023 21:14:07
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MagicCrayon9342 wrote:

Looking to general use is unideal, you should use the language best for what you want to do
Well there's a reason it's called general use… because many tasks can completed under those languages. Any language with a large and competent ecosystem can fall under the general-purpose paradigm. Most languages for general use can solve problems developers face.

Of course, if you have an edge-case like blazingly fast speeds or memory safety, you should look to languages which are tailored for such tasks, like Rust or Zig or something

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