Onion Skins and Scratch

fdreerf

I believe that if you're animating, using the Scratch built-in editor is already a mis-step, regardless of whether onion skins are added. While I won't say that Scratch isn't an animation tool as it can be used as one, it just is fundamentally flawed in many categories and onion skins would not help. There are far more specialized and high-quality applications out there, and if you want to make something that's decent in a shorter amount of time, use one of them.

bywok

SolarKnight wrote:
i dont think they ever officially said that but i might be wrong

They didn't. SuperSean12 just replied no for some reason

bywok

fdreerf wrote:
I believe that if you're animating, using the Scratch built-in editor is already a mis-step, regardless of whether onion skins are added. While I won't say that Scratch isn't an animation tool as it can be used as one, it just is fundamentally flawed in many categories and onion skins would not help. There are far more specialized and high-quality applications out there, and if you want to make something that's decent in a shorter amount of time, use one of them.

Hmm… while you do have a point, those animation editors are hard to use and cost money most of the time. The Scratch art editor is pretty decent and it's also free, but using the art editor when you have to guess where to put the new costume relative to the last drawing or duplicating what you drew on the last frame making it grey and then coloring over that like I do blah blah blah blah is already slow-production. Adding onion skins to the art editor would increase the production value and crank things out in a shorter amount of time like you said.

lc121490

they have to add this, but its really difficult because its not only for animation and with to many buttons its getting difficult for kids to understand

bywok

lc121490 wrote:
they have to add this, but its really difficult because its not only for animation and with to many buttons its getting difficult for kids to understand

the art editor has like 9 buttons. there's not too many features.

and all onion skin is is just the last costume transparent on another (inaccessible) layer underneath the current one. you would be able to turn it off. it's not that hard to understand. i don't even think it would be that hard to program in.

lm1996

Support.
I have absolutely no idea how to animate well and the onion skin is much better than any solution I can think up.

fdreerf

bywok wrote:
Hmm… while you do have a point, those animation editors are hard to use and cost money most of the time. The Scratch art editor is pretty decent and it's also free, but using the art editor when you have to guess where to put the new costume relative to the last drawing or duplicating what you drew on the last frame making it grey and then coloring over that like I do blah blah blah blah is already slow-production. Adding onion skins to the art editor would increase the production value and crank things out in a shorter amount of time like you said.

Those editors are harder to use because they're objectively better, and though most cost money, a lot of them don't, evident by one google search. While it may take a shorter amount of time to animate in Scratch with onion skins, it would take even shorter to animate in a program built for animation.

JPOWERPUFFGIRLS

bump

bywok

fdreerf wrote:
Those editors are harder to use because they're objectively better, and though most cost money, a lot of them don't, evident by one google search. While it may take a shorter amount of time to animate in Scratch with onion skins, it would take even shorter to animate in a program built for animation.

Okay,, but this forum is about Scratch adding onion skin, not about using free animation tools separate from Scratch…

JPOWERPUFFGIRLS wrote:
bump

you're still here? yay!

JPOWERPUFFGIRLS

fdreerf wrote:
bywok wrote:
Hmm… while you do have a point, those animation editors are hard to use and cost money most of the time. The Scratch art editor is pretty decent and it's also free, but using the art editor when you have to guess where to put the new costume relative to the last drawing or duplicating what you drew on the last frame making it grey and then coloring over that like I do blah blah blah blah is already slow-production. Adding onion skins to the art editor would increase the production value and crank things out in a shorter amount of time like you said.
Those editors are harder to use because they're objectively better, and though most cost money, a lot of them don't, evident by one google search. While it may take a shorter amount of time to animate in Scratch with onion skins, it would take even shorter to animate in a program built for animation.

Not all parents are going to let you onto other sites just because they were made for it, I'm pretty sure my parents aren't letting me on other sites, just to animate to post it on Scratch, and they aren't going to let me go site-hunting browsing the dangerous internet, outside of the safe, child friendly domain, we know as Scratch

bywok wrote:
JPOWERPUFFGIRLS wrote:
bump

you're still here? yay!

Yes I am :)

portalpower

this topic was made in 2013 but it's still getting new posts

wow

SolarKnight

portalpower wrote:
this topic was made in 2013 but it's still getting new posts

wow

i wish the scratch team would just say if theyre willing to add it or not

bywok

SolarKnight wrote:
portalpower wrote:
this topic was made in 2013 but it's still getting new posts

wow
i wish the scratch team would just say if theyre willing to add it or not

They probably won't, the Scratch Team already saw the topic and just closed it down but paid zero attention to the actual posts…

lm1996

@mitdk gave me this awesome mock-up that I think looks like what I want.

bywok

lm1996 wrote:
@mitdk gave me this awesome mock-up that I think looks like what I want.
-snip snip-

That's pretty cool. I'm gonna make my own on my computer where Inspect Element isn't restricted

sealifefriend

S U P P O R T

bywok

sealifefriend wrote:
S U P P O R T

For the last time, please EXPLAIN W H Y you support.

fdreerf

bywok wrote:
fdreerf wrote:
Those editors are harder to use because they're objectively better, and though most cost money, a lot of them don't, evident by one google search. While it may take a shorter amount of time to animate in Scratch with onion skins, it would take even shorter to animate in a program built for animation.
Okay,, but this forum is about Scratch adding onion skin, not about using free animation tools separate from Scratch…

Sorry I haven't responded to this, I hate checking on large threads.
Take a wild shot on how the discussion got to this point.

Last edited by fdreerf (Nov. 2, 2020 04:50:54)

secretagent123

No support. Scratch's primary purpose is not animating. To use this tool use animation software and import the frames to scratch.

mtech22

secretagent123 wrote:
No support. Scratch's primary purpose is not animating. To use this tool use animation software and import the frames to scratch.

Many children don't
a. Have access to animation software
b. Know how to use animation software
c. are allowed to download animation software.

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