Rename the mod block.

Leadrien2366

stickfiregames wrote:
Right click it and click help, it explains it well enough. No support to rename.

JonathanSchaffer

support

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Ninkancho

No support. Modulus is an actual function in programming, so having a mod block is the most elegant solution possible for having modulo functionality.

It's also important to remember that modulo and remainders are not the same thing. For two positive values, they are always the same, but modulating(?) negative numbers will still roll them over into the range specified.

Here's a demonstration, assuming a hypothetical “rem” block. (In Scratch, this block could probably be workarounded by subtracting a rounded instance of the same division, then multiplying the whole thing by the divisor again or something, but for simplicity's sake I'm just making up a “rem” reporter.) Comments represent returns, like if you were to click the blocks with those values inserted.

((-21) mod (4))//3

((-21) rem (4)::operators)//-1

As you can see, we've ended up with two completely different results, 3 and -1. So this proposed “remainder” renaming will not technically work. And since Scratch is a programming language, technicalities are very. very. important.

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Sheep_maker

Support for:

(() % ()::operators) //you should be able to right-click switch between the operators

There should be a new language in the language dropdown that changes lists to “arrays” and “mod” to “%” etc.

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Inreal49

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Yes

alexphan

Inreal49 wrote:
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Please give a reason as to why you support.

Support, some people might think of mod as a “modification” like Minecraft mods. Maybe the ST can add its actual name on the block's “help” menu?

A-no-meep

I would be okay with the block being expanded into “modulo” to make it easier to read. % sign as an operator might confuse people into thinking it does something with percentages, and the remainder function is different than the modulo function. I would rather it stay the same, to minimize space used and help code be less messy.

I would like being able to use right click to change a mod into the other functions. Support for that.

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superben100

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Jonathan50

Bump.

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Jonathan50

Jonathan50 wrote:
No support.

Wait, what? I wrote that?

Anyway, this is much better. Support!

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WindOctahedron

Support. More children (to whom Scratch is targeted) understand “remainder of X divided by Y” better than “X mod Y”. It's not too long, and intuitive (which is Scratch supposed to be).
And to those who say “it's a basic math function, no support”, I'll tell you that by the time someone moves on to more advanced languages, they are (most likely) taught about the meaning of “modulo” in school, so they won't be confused when they move on.

Ninkancho wrote:
It's also important to remember that modulo and remainders are not the same thing. […]

Arrays and lists are different things, too, and “lists” in Scratch are actually arrays.
Oh, and don't forget that the Help tool is gone now.

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Maximouse

Blank1234 wrote:
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Blank1234 wrote:
no support.

modulus is a main function in programming. if you don't know what it means, you can just right click it, and click help
In Scratch, “arrays” are called “lists,” even though most programming languages call them “arrays.” A beginner is more likely to understand “list” than “array.” Why can't mod be renamed?
lists are different then arrays.

when you set arrays, you have to set them to only have a certain amount of variables
lists can have infinite

In programming lists and arrays are the same thing. In JavaScript arrays can have any number of items.

Also, no support. I hate blocks with long labels because they make complex formulas much longer.

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Jonathan50

The terms “remainder operation” and “modulo operation” don't really denote different operations, but for that it happens that programming languages choose to use the former name for the operation for the remainder supposing truncated division (the quotient is rounded towards zero and the remainder has the sign of the dividend,) and the latter supposing floored division (the quotient is rounded down and the remainder has the sign of the divisor — like in Scratch.)

Neither of these are the answers usually given in maths, which are those given by Euclidean division, so the remainder is always non-negative, according to Wikipedia. See here.

(Also, the remainder (%) operator in Java, JavaScript, etc. gives the answer with the sign of the dividend, unlike the mod block. And in maths “%” means “percent,” not “modulo.”)

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Mast3rGenius

Support based on the Scratch audience. More people would use this block as well if this happened.

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Maximouse

Maximouse wrote:
Also, no support. I hate blocks with long labels because they make complex formulas much longer.

I still do, but the only reason I understood what this block does and was able to use it when I was new to Scratch is because it's called remainder in the Slovenian translation of Scratch 1.4. I think this change would make this extremely useful block available to new users.

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Rendangbike2

Support! This thread made me realize what the mod block works, I had no idea that it was modulo.

Scratchperson1000000

In computing, the modulo operation returns the remainder or signed remainder of a division, after one number is divided by another. Given two positive numbers a and n, a modulo n is the remainder of the Euclidean division of a by n, where a is the dividend and n is the divisor.
So basically, 11 modulo 4 AKA 11 % 4 is 3. Let's try renaming it to something kid-friendly. Let's try

[] of []% :: operators

and then a “help” option for the block that says “In computing, the modulo operation returns the remainder or signed remainder of a division, after one number is divided by another. Given two positive numbers a and n, a modulo n is the remainder of the Euclidean division of a by n, where a is the dividend and n is the divisor.”

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Maximouse

Scratchperson1000000 wrote:
Let's try renaming it to something kid-friendly. Let's try
[] of []% :: operators
and then a “help” option for the block that says “In computing, the modulo operation returns the remainder or signed remainder of a division, after one number is divided by another. Given two positive numbers a and n, a modulo n is the remainder of the Euclidean division of a by n, where a is the dividend and n is the divisor.”

If it requires help, it isn't kid-friendly.

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the2000

Scratchperson1000000 wrote:
Let's try renaming it to something kid-friendly. Let's try
[] of []% :: operators

Using a different format than the other math reporters for literally no reason sounds like the exact opposite of “kid-friendly” to me. What makes this weird format any better than ((var) % (var))?

Ihatr

Honestly, I don't mind it being called mod. I first learned what it means by searching it up, and it wasn't hard to find the answer.

Honestly, I'm fine with how the block is currently. If somebody is confused, they can just take 10 seconds to search it up.

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