Change the Scratch Domain

julmik6478

scratch.org already redirect to scratch.

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julmik6478 wrote:
(#360)
NanoPIex wrote:
Why .org? How about scratch.com or https://scratch or http://scratch?
That https://scratch is genius.

However, registering a server on a TLD (a domain without periods) is not allowed

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Steve0Greatness

julmik6478 wrote:
scratch.org already redirect to scratch.

This suggestion is to make it the main URL. Plus: what most people miss is it's not a direct 1 to 1 redirect.

For instance:

https://scratch.org/discuss/topic/467366

doens't redirect to

https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/467366

it redirects to

https://scratch.mit.edu/

So it's not a great redirect. In addition, I'd genuinely prefer it to be Scratch.

/hj is the worst tone indicator. It's confusing and ambiguous. I hate it. The point of tone indicators is to indicate tone, or the way that a piece of text should be read, but what does “half joking” mean? Do you just wake up in the morning and think “wow, I really have something I want to talk about seriously but also kinda not, IDK you decide.” It's useless. I hate it. It just provokes a deep rooted anger within me whenever I see it. People just comment /hj as if it makes any sense. It doesn't. Oh wow, it's a tone indicator that's has a relative meaning, how useful, I'll use it in every comment I post. NO. STOP IT. You're a tone indicator, you have only one job, and yet you sit there doing nothing apart angering me.

/srs

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I'm serious, I'm not even going to put multiple (/hj)s a the end of my signature as to mock the previous paragraph for not getting the point of something(like previous version of my signature). /srs

Steve0Greatness

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/hj is the worst tone indicator. It's confusing and ambiguous. I hate it. The point of tone indicators is to indicate tone, or the way that a piece of text should be read, but what does “half joking” mean? Do you just wake up in the morning and think “wow, I really have something I want to talk about seriously but also kinda not, IDK you decide.” It's useless. I hate it. It just provokes a deep rooted anger within me whenever I see it. People just comment /hj as if it makes any sense. It doesn't. Oh wow, it's a tone indicator that's has a relative meaning, how useful, I'll use it in every comment I post. NO. STOP IT. You're a tone indicator, you have only one job, and yet you sit there doing nothing apart angering me.

/srs

^^^ (there's more below)
This one is useful because it tells you that this signature is fully 100% serious. (/srs) Who would've thought that tone indicators needed to tell you something about the piece of text they're attached to? /s

I'm serious, I'm not even going to put multiple (/hj)s a the end of my signature as to mock the previous paragraph for not getting the point of something(like previous version of my signature). /srs

starlightsparker

julmik6478 wrote:
NanoPIex wrote:
Why .org? How about scratch.com or https://scratch or http://scratch?
That https://scratch is genius.

No it’s not, that’s not possible.
Unless you were being sarcastic, which you probably were but that’s why tonetags exist lol

But if you aren’t, then I’d like to say that websites NEED to have a domain. It’s impossible to go without one.

Back to OP though, I think it’d be kind of cool if scratch had like a scra.tch domain, like how YouTube owns the youtu.be domain (though they don’t use it for most of their site), however browsers would display the site name as scra and there’s also other impracticalities to this as well so probably not.

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CatClawz_

don't support
there's nothing wrong with .mit.edu no reason to change it
plus scratch.mit.edu is iconic we can't change that

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CatClawz_ wrote:
don't support
there's nothing wrong with .mit.edu no reason to change it
plus scratch.mit.edu is iconic we can't change that

People said the blue navbar was iconic but what did the ST do? Change it to be purple.

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CatClawz_

Steve0Greatness wrote:
-hexacactus- wrote:
if anything should be scratch.org, it should be the Scratch Foundation website
Why? That doesn't make any sense. Even Scratch knows this(hence why as of now it's a redirect to Scratch).

Also, they aren't Scratch Organization: they're Scratch Foundation; so if anything, they should use scratch.foundation.

-hexacactus- wrote:
also you can just bookmark ‘scratch.org’ if you like that domain better since it still takes you to the same place.
I get that. But Scratch.org is just an objectively better domain.

It's short
It's memorable
It doesn't pretend to be an educational institution(I.E. universities like MIT)

It should be the main domain, not a redirect.

well scratch is an educational website that's why it has edu
if anything i find .mit.edu easier to remember, it's unique so it's memorable. It's got a nice rhythm to it too, i remember when i was like 7 I would repeat it over and over because i liked how it sounded. Every website and their mother is called foobar.org, .mit.edu is different.
Even if i'm wrong and .org would be more memorable. It's not the 2000s anymore, we don't need to memorise domain names. Everyone uses google, if they need to find the website scratch.mit.edu they'll just type in “scratch” and first result you'll get the legendary scratch.mit.edu.
also, if you prefer scratch.org, then you can type scratch.org and you get the website
and to scratch.org being objectively better my only answer for that is: no, lies.

#keep-scratch.mit.edu-alive-2024

Also I don't like change so if they change it ill be very sad. I still have a browser extension (cant tell you what it is the scratch police will get me)that makes scratch look like 2.0 because i can't let go it was so much better in the old days

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BwnnyRxbbit wrote:
CatClawz_ wrote:
don't support
there's nothing wrong with .mit.edu no reason to change it
plus scratch.mit.edu is iconic we can't change that
People said the blue navbar was iconic but what did the ST do? Change it to be purple.

Yeah but they legally had to do that to be accessible there was no choice there
i cant see any reason why scratch.org would make scratch more accessible

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starlightsparker wrote:
Back to OP though, I think it’d be kind of cool if scratch had like a scra.tch domain, like how YouTube owns the youtu.be domain (though they don’t use it for most of their site), however browsers would display the site name as scra and there’s also other impracticalities to this as well so probably not.

I don't think Scratch can really do domain hacking. Their name isn't very practical for it.

scratc.h - Doesn't exist
scrat.ch - Does exist, but the company that manages Switzerland's TLD doesn't sell to non-Swiss companies/indiviuals
scra.tch - Doesn't exist
scr.atch - Doesn't exist
sc.ratch - Doesn't exist
s.cratch - Doesn't exist

I'd love if Scratch could get .ch, but Scratch Foundation is based in the United States of America, so it can't happen.

CatClawz_ wrote:
don't support
there's nothing wrong with .mit.edu no reason to change it
plus scratch.mit.edu is iconic we can't change that

“Too iconic.” 2.0 existed for most of Scratch's lifespan, it was iconic, but they removed it.
If 2.0 isn't too iconic to go away, the domain ain't.

CatClawz_ wrote:
well scratch is an educational website that's why it has edu

Edu is not for educational websites, it's for educational institutions. Scratch is not an educational institution: it is a educational organization. There is a difference.

CatClawz_ wrote:
if anything i find .mit.edu easier to remember, it's unique so it's memorable. It's got a nice rhythm to it too, i remember when i was like 7 I would repeat it over and over because i liked how it sounded. Every website and their mother is called foobar.org, .mit.edu is different.

I disagree. Scratch.org have a better rhythm. But why are we talking about rhythm when it comes to URLs?
And while it is true that mit.edu is incredibly unique, having Scratch be a subdomain rather than a full domain is still incredibly awkward on all counts.

CatClawz_ wrote:
Even if i'm wrong and .org would be more memorable. It's not the 2000s anymore, we don't need to memorise domain names. Everyone uses google, if they need to find the website scratch.mit.edu they'll just type in “scratch” and first result you'll get the legendary scratch.mit.edu.

Google existed in the 2000s(Google launched in 1998), people have always used search engines to find stuff. Before Google it was Yahoo!
But not everybody uses Google an uncomfortable amount.

CatClawz_ wrote:
Yeah but they legally had to do that to be accessible there was no choice there
i cant see any reason why scratch.org would make scratch more accessible

So we're talking about legality? Alright. How about the rules set in place by the organization that manages the edu domain(Educause):

Eligibility wrote:
Generic names are not allowed, and .edu domain names may not be deployed to identify any organization other than the registrant institution or organization. Intentionally deploying a .edu domain name for an institution or organization other than the registrant entity would constitute a violation of domain policy and may lead to the termination of the domain name registration.

- Quote source: Educause.

Explanation: Scratch is owned by Scratch Foundation, a separate organization from MIT. If Scratch does not stop using a subdomain of MIT(in other words: their current domain), MIT could get their domain revoked; and if MIT's domain is revoked, then Scratch cannot continue using MIT.edu(it would literally be impossible).

/hj is the worst tone indicator. It's confusing and ambiguous. I hate it. The point of tone indicators is to indicate tone, or the way that a piece of text should be read, but what does “half joking” mean? Do you just wake up in the morning and think “wow, I really have something I want to talk about seriously but also kinda not, IDK you decide.” It's useless. I hate it. It just provokes a deep rooted anger within me whenever I see it. People just comment /hj as if it makes any sense. It doesn't. Oh wow, it's a tone indicator that's has a relative meaning, how useful, I'll use it in every comment I post. NO. STOP IT. You're a tone indicator, you have only one job, and yet you sit there doing nothing apart angering me.

/srs

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This one is useful because it tells you that this signature is fully 100% serious. (/srs) Who would've thought that tone indicators needed to tell you something about the piece of text they're attached to? /s

I'm serious, I'm not even going to put multiple (/hj)s a the end of my signature as to mock the previous paragraph for not getting the point of something(like previous version of my signature). /srs

starlightsparker

Steve0Greatness wrote:
Explanation: Scratch is owned by Scratch Foundation, a separate organization from MIT. If Scratch does not stop using a subdomain of MIT(in other words: their current domain), MIT could get their domain revoked; and if MIT's domain is revoked, then Scratch cannot continue using MIT.edu(it would literally be impossible).

they would have already taken action if they were affected by this

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starlightsparker wrote:
they would have already taken action if they were affected by this

I honestly don't know. They only separated in 2019, so it's possible Educause mistakenly believes Scratch is still an MIT product.
Somebody should probably email them or something.

/hj is the worst tone indicator. It's confusing and ambiguous. I hate it. The point of tone indicators is to indicate tone, or the way that a piece of text should be read, but what does “half joking” mean? Do you just wake up in the morning and think “wow, I really have something I want to talk about seriously but also kinda not, IDK you decide.” It's useless. I hate it. It just provokes a deep rooted anger within me whenever I see it. People just comment /hj as if it makes any sense. It doesn't. Oh wow, it's a tone indicator that's has a relative meaning, how useful, I'll use it in every comment I post. NO. STOP IT. You're a tone indicator, you have only one job, and yet you sit there doing nothing apart angering me.

/srs

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This one is useful because it tells you that this signature is fully 100% serious. (/srs) Who would've thought that tone indicators needed to tell you something about the piece of text they're attached to? /s

I'm serious, I'm not even going to put multiple (/hj)s a the end of my signature as to mock the previous paragraph for not getting the point of something(like previous version of my signature). /srs

Steve0Greatness

BUMP

/hj is the worst tone indicator. It's confusing and ambiguous. I hate it. The point of tone indicators is to indicate tone, or the way that a piece of text should be read, but what does “half joking” mean? Do you just wake up in the morning and think “wow, I really have something I want to talk about seriously but also kinda not, IDK you decide.” It's useless. I hate it. It just provokes a deep rooted anger within me whenever I see it. People just comment /hj as if it makes any sense. It doesn't. Oh wow, it's a tone indicator that's has a relative meaning, how useful, I'll use it in every comment I post. NO. STOP IT. You're a tone indicator, you have only one job, and yet you sit there doing nothing apart angering me.

/srs

^^^ (there's more below)
This one is useful because it tells you that this signature is fully 100% serious. (/srs) Who would've thought that tone indicators needed to tell you something about the piece of text they're attached to? /s

I'm serious, I'm not even going to put multiple (/hj)s a the end of my signature as to mock the previous paragraph for not getting the point of something(like previous version of my signature). /srs

starlightsparker

Steve0Greatness wrote:
starlightsparker wrote:
they would have already taken action if they were affected by this
I honestly don't know. They only separated in 2019, so it's possible Educause mistakenly believes Scratch is still an MIT product.
Somebody should probably email them or something.

scratch isnt dumb.. this isnt a joke, so since scratch uses a mit subdomain then they would know the guidelines of educause and take action
anyways, 2019 was 5 years ago. that is still a long time, someone would've informed scratch whether thats educause themselves, or an ST member or even a regular scratcher.

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Steve0Greatness wrote:
starlightsparker wrote:
they would have already taken action if they were affected by this
I honestly don't know. They only separated in 2019, so it's possible Educause mistakenly believes Scratch is still an MIT product.
Somebody should probably email them or something.

I believe that Scratch is still hosted on MIT's servers, meaning that they have the right to use the .edu TLD. Also, they'd have to keep the scratch.mit.edu domain around for backwards compatibility with older links anyways, so it's possible that Educause allows it for that reason.

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CatClawz_ wrote:
(#368)
Steve0Greatness wrote:
-hexacactus- wrote:
if anything should be scratch.org, it should be the Scratch Foundation website
Why? That doesn't make any sense. Even Scratch knows this(hence why as of now it's a redirect to Scratch).

Also, they aren't Scratch Organization: they're Scratch Foundation; so if anything, they should use scratch.foundation.

-hexacactus- wrote:
also you can just bookmark ‘scratch.org’ if you like that domain better since it still takes you to the same place.
I get that. But Scratch.org is just an objectively better domain.

It's short
It's memorable
It doesn't pretend to be an educational institution(I.E. universities like MIT)

It should be the main domain, not a redirect.
well scratch is an educational website that's why it has edu
if anything i find .mit.edu easier to remember, it's unique so it's memorable. It's got a nice rhythm to it too, i remember when i was like 7 I would repeat it over and over because i liked how it sounded. Every website and their mother is called foobar.org, .mit.edu is different.
Even if i'm wrong and .org would be more memorable. It's not the 2000s anymore, we don't need to memorise domain names. Everyone uses google, if they need to find the website scratch.mit.edu they'll just type in “scratch” and first result you'll get the legendary scratch.mit.edu.
also, if you prefer scratch.org, then you can type scratch.org and you get the website
and to scratch.org being objectively better my only answer for that is: no, lies.

#keep-scratch.mit.edu-alive-2024

Also I don't like change so if they change it ill be very sad. I still have a browser extension (cant tell you what it is the scratch police will get me)that makes scratch look like 2.0 because i can't let go it was so much better in the old days

EDU is only for universities, not educational websites! How much do I have to repeat this? Add it to the OP.

BigNate469 wrote:
(#375)
I believe that Scratch is still hosted on MIT's servers, meaning that they have the right to use the .edu TLD. Also, they'd have to keep the scratch.mit.edu domain around for backwards compatibility with older links anyways, so it's possible that Educause allows it for that reason.

Domain registries only manage second-level domains (mit.edu), not further subdomains (scratch.mit.edu)

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Steve0Greatness

starlightsparker wrote:
scratch isnt dumb.. this isnt a joke, so since scratch uses a mit subdomain then they would know the guidelines of educause and take action
anyways, 2019 was 5 years ago. that is still a long time, someone would've informed scratch whether thats educause themselves, or an ST member or even a regular scratcher.

I never said they were dumb. Also, I asked EDUCAUSE and their rules do not apply to subdomains; so my interpretation of their domain rules was wrong, oops

mumu245 wrote:
CatClawz_ wrote:
(#368)
Steve0Greatness wrote:
-hexacactus- wrote:
if anything should be scratch.org, it should be the Scratch Foundation website
Why? That doesn't make any sense. Even Scratch knows this(hence why as of now it's a redirect to Scratch).

Also, they aren't Scratch Organization: they're Scratch Foundation; so if anything, they should use scratch.foundation.

-hexacactus- wrote:
also you can just bookmark ‘scratch.org’ if you like that domain better since it still takes you to the same place.
I get that. But Scratch.org is just an objectively better domain.

It's short
It's memorable
It doesn't pretend to be an educational institution(I.E. universities like MIT)

It should be the main domain, not a redirect.
well scratch is an educational website that's why it has edu
if anything i find .mit.edu easier to remember, it's unique so it's memorable. It's got a nice rhythm to it too, i remember when i was like 7 I would repeat it over and over because i liked how it sounded. Every website and their mother is called foobar.org, .mit.edu is different.
Even if i'm wrong and .org would be more memorable. It's not the 2000s anymore, we don't need to memorise domain names. Everyone uses google, if they need to find the website scratch.mit.edu they'll just type in “scratch” and first result you'll get the legendary scratch.mit.edu.
also, if you prefer scratch.org, then you can type scratch.org and you get the website
and to scratch.org being objectively better my only answer for that is: no, lies.

#keep-scratch.mit.edu-alive-2024

Also I don't like change so if they change it ill be very sad. I still have a browser extension (cant tell you what it is the scratch police will get me)that makes scratch look like 2.0 because i can't let go it was so much better in the old days
EDU is only for universities, not educational websites! How much do I have to repeat this? Add it to the OP.

Done!

/hj is the worst tone indicator. It's confusing and ambiguous. I hate it. The point of tone indicators is to indicate tone, or the way that a piece of text should be read, but what does “half joking” mean? Do you just wake up in the morning and think “wow, I really have something I want to talk about seriously but also kinda not, IDK you decide.” It's useless. I hate it. It just provokes a deep rooted anger within me whenever I see it. People just comment /hj as if it makes any sense. It doesn't. Oh wow, it's a tone indicator that's has a relative meaning, how useful, I'll use it in every comment I post. NO. STOP IT. You're a tone indicator, you have only one job, and yet you sit there doing nothing apart angering me.

/srs

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This one is useful because it tells you that this signature is fully 100% serious. (/srs) Who would've thought that tone indicators needed to tell you something about the piece of text they're attached to? /s

I'm serious, I'm not even going to put multiple (/hj)s a the end of my signature as to mock the previous paragraph for not getting the point of something(like previous version of my signature). /srs

preshunk3

No support, neglecting the effort that went into the original versions of this site could offend some. Changing it to scratch.org could do so. It really wouldn't change anything about the site either, so there's really no reason to change it.

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Steve0Greatness

preshunk3 wrote:
No support, neglecting the effort that went into the original versions of this site could offend some. Changing it to scratch.org could do so.

Changing the URL isn't neglecting the effort. If anything, I think moving to their own domain would be a major payoff for all that effort.

Scratch been a property of MIT for decades, so moving to their own domain would kinda be like them doing their own thing, independent from MIT(even if there are still ties to MIT in many ways). But that's just me.

If you're talking about how it could offend MIT: it won't. Even if it would, they would have been more offended when Scratch Team split off into Scratch Foundation and were given ownership of Scratch by MIT.

preshunk3 wrote:
It really wouldn't change anything about the site either, so there's really no reason to change it.

Not every change has to change much of anything about the site itself.

For instance, the most recent (human made) commit to the Scratch-GUI repo is just a version bump, that doesn't affect the site at all. Especially since the changes in 4.0.4 are just version bumps of Scratch-Paint and React Tooltip.

In addition, Scratch Foundation appears to be updating their logo to be the 3.0 version of the Scratch logo(this is just going off of their GitHub profile picture), this also doesn't affect the site. In addition, the changing of the original logo really shows disrespect to the original logo. /j

But really, not every change has to effect the site much for that change to happen.

/hj is the worst tone indicator. It's confusing and ambiguous. I hate it. The point of tone indicators is to indicate tone, or the way that a piece of text should be read, but what does “half joking” mean? Do you just wake up in the morning and think “wow, I really have something I want to talk about seriously but also kinda not, IDK you decide.” It's useless. I hate it. It just provokes a deep rooted anger within me whenever I see it. People just comment /hj as if it makes any sense. It doesn't. Oh wow, it's a tone indicator that's has a relative meaning, how useful, I'll use it in every comment I post. NO. STOP IT. You're a tone indicator, you have only one job, and yet you sit there doing nothing apart angering me.

/srs

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This one is useful because it tells you that this signature is fully 100% serious. (/srs) Who would've thought that tone indicators needed to tell you something about the piece of text they're attached to? /s

I'm serious, I'm not even going to put multiple (/hj)s a the end of my signature as to mock the previous paragraph for not getting the point of something(like previous version of my signature). /srs

han614698

Based on past posts here I obviously disagree with this, but I am curious one thing -

Can someone explain in a fairly short way, why are we suggesting this?

Scratch still had ties with MIT in 2022 at least, and there's really no reason for the extra trouble to get rid of the .mit.edu domain - it's just extra work. If people want a shorter domain use scratch.org

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