Change the Scratch Domain

mumu245

the_awsome_penguinja wrote:
(#320)
my school blocks any website where it's main domain is not .edu (except google), changing this will block scratch in my school.

Then they will unblock scratch.org as well.

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Steve0Greatness

the_awsome_penguinja wrote:
my school blocks any website where it's main domain is not .edu (except google), changing this will block scratch in my school.

That sounds like they're using a whitelist of sites rather than a blacklist. Ask your school to add Scratch.org to the whitelist. If they ask why, cite this suggestion.

GlitchedThrough wrote:
Well, I’m not saying that they should keep the domain. Just that tyhey still work together

Ah, alright. Thanks for the clarification!

/hj is the worst tone indicator. It's confusing and ambiguous. I hate it. The point of tone indicators is to indicate tone, or the way that a piece of text should be read, but what does “half joking” mean? Do you just wake up in the morning and think “wow, I really have something I want to talk about seriously but also kinda not, IDK you decide.” It's useless. I hate it. It just provokes a deep rooted anger within me whenever I see it. People just comment /hj as if it makes any sense. It doesn't. Oh wow, it's a tone indicator that's has a relative meaning, how useful, I'll use it in every comment I post. NO. STOP IT. You're a tone indicator, you have only one job, and yet you sit there doing nothing apart angering me.

/srs

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This one is useful because it tells you that this signature is fully 100% serious. (/srs) Who would've thought that tone indicators needed to tell you something about the piece of text they're attached to? /s

I'm serious, I'm not even going to put multiple (/hj)s a the end of my signature as to mock the previous paragraph for not getting the point of something(like previous version of my signature). /srs

A_Nyan_In_Space

No support. Would it be easier? Yes. Is it objectively better? Probably. But I have typed in scratch.mit.edu so many times it's like my instinct /hj. Many Scratchers have their computers autocomplete o scratch.mit.edu anyway, with their projects, users, studios, and maybe even forum posts. If scratch changed to scratch.org, all that goes out the window. I could see scratch.mit.edu redirecting to scratch.org, but all of the subdomains might not be saved.

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Steve0Greatness

A_Nyan_In_Space wrote:
But I have typed in scratch.mit.edu so many times it's like my instinct /hj. Many Scratchers have their computers autocomplete o scratch.mit.edu anyway, with their projects, users, studios, and maybe even forum posts. If scratch changed to scratch.org, all that goes out the window.

But it would just redirect. In other words: It wouldn't go out the window.

Also, please do not use the “half-joking” tone indicator (/hj), see the /hj tone indicator is worse than useless

A_Nyan_In_Space wrote:
I could see scratch.mit.edu redirecting to scratch.org, but all of the subdomains might not be saved.

WDYM subdomains might not be saved? You will basically never see a Scratch subdomain outside of the handful that exist. Even then: all of then could still redirect to their Scratch.org counterpart(i.e. api.scratch.mit.edu would redirect to api.scratch.org, cdn2.scratch.mit.edu would redirect to cdn2.scratch.org, etc.).

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/hj is the worst tone indicator. It's confusing and ambiguous. I hate it. The point of tone indicators is to indicate tone, or the way that a piece of text should be read, but what does “half joking” mean? Do you just wake up in the morning and think “wow, I really have something I want to talk about seriously but also kinda not, IDK you decide.” It's useless. I hate it. It just provokes a deep rooted anger within me whenever I see it. People just comment /hj as if it makes any sense. It doesn't. Oh wow, it's a tone indicator that's has a relative meaning, how useful, I'll use it in every comment I post. NO. STOP IT. You're a tone indicator, you have only one job, and yet you sit there doing nothing apart angering me.

/srs

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This one is useful because it tells you that this signature is fully 100% serious. (/srs) Who would've thought that tone indicators needed to tell you something about the piece of text they're attached to? /s

I'm serious, I'm not even going to put multiple (/hj)s a the end of my signature as to mock the previous paragraph for not getting the point of something(like previous version of my signature). /srs

starlightsparker

leahcimto wrote:
starlightsparker wrote:
Correction, mit and scratch are still a lil bit related cause they work closely still.

And the blue header was more broke because they could’ve been sued for it not being accessible. Could they be sued for having a domain that’s related to their roots?
Do you have any evidence suggesting scratch and mit still work together?

Steve0Greatness wrote:
starlightsparker wrote:
I heard it somewhere, someone here definitely has a direct source but I don’t.
I really shouldn't have to say this, but you should definitely have sources before saying something factual like “Scratch and MIT are related, still.”

alright uh new response, scratch and mit dont work together literally, but MIT is scratch's roots and one of their founding partners. so .mit being there isnt an issue imo, cause its kind of like a tribute to the university that helped scratch get where they are today.
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starlightsparker wrote:
MIT is scratch's roots and one of their founding partners.

If we're going by Scratch having subdomains from founding partners, then these would all be valid domains:

scratch.lego.com
scratch.siegelendowment.org
scratch.nsf.gov

And, while Scratch's roots are in MIT, Scratch is(as I have seen repeatedly) a fully independent organization.

starlightsparker wrote:
so .mit being there isnt an issue imo, cause its kind of like a tribute to the university that helped scratch get where they are today.

I mean… sure. But you don't need to literally use their domain to give tribute. IMO the credits given on these pages are enough: Careers, Supporters.

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/hj is the worst tone indicator. It's confusing and ambiguous. I hate it. The point of tone indicators is to indicate tone, or the way that a piece of text should be read, but what does “half joking” mean? Do you just wake up in the morning and think “wow, I really have something I want to talk about seriously but also kinda not, IDK you decide.” It's useless. I hate it. It just provokes a deep rooted anger within me whenever I see it. People just comment /hj as if it makes any sense. It doesn't. Oh wow, it's a tone indicator that's has a relative meaning, how useful, I'll use it in every comment I post. NO. STOP IT. You're a tone indicator, you have only one job, and yet you sit there doing nothing apart angering me.

/srs

^^^ (there's more below)
This one is useful because it tells you that this signature is fully 100% serious. (/srs) Who would've thought that tone indicators needed to tell you something about the piece of text they're attached to? /s

I'm serious, I'm not even going to put multiple (/hj)s a the end of my signature as to mock the previous paragraph for not getting the point of something(like previous version of my signature). /srs

AnotherTwentyFour

Why scratch.org? Why not scratch.mit.edu? Changing this would mean nothing. Just a waste of time.

My original account is -TwentyFour-.

Steve0Greatness

AnotherTwentyFour wrote:
Why scratch.org? Why not scratch.mit.edu?

Scratch isn't part of MIT(at least not anymore).

AnotherTwentyFour wrote:
Changing this would mean nothing.

I know that I've forgotten at multiple points that Scratch Foundation is a separate entity.

AnotherTwentyFour wrote:
Just a waste of time.

No.

/hj is the worst tone indicator. It's confusing and ambiguous. I hate it. The point of tone indicators is to indicate tone, or the way that a piece of text should be read, but what does “half joking” mean? Do you just wake up in the morning and think “wow, I really have something I want to talk about seriously but also kinda not, IDK you decide.” It's useless. I hate it. It just provokes a deep rooted anger within me whenever I see it. People just comment /hj as if it makes any sense. It doesn't. Oh wow, it's a tone indicator that's has a relative meaning, how useful, I'll use it in every comment I post. NO. STOP IT. You're a tone indicator, you have only one job, and yet you sit there doing nothing apart angering me.

/srs

^^^ (there's more below)
This one is useful because it tells you that this signature is fully 100% serious. (/srs) Who would've thought that tone indicators needed to tell you something about the piece of text they're attached to? /s

I'm serious, I'm not even going to put multiple (/hj)s a the end of my signature as to mock the previous paragraph for not getting the point of something(like previous version of my signature). /srs

starlightsparker

Steve0Greatness wrote:
starlightsparker wrote:
MIT is scratch's roots and one of their founding partners.
If we're going by Scratch having subdomains from founding partners, then these would all be valid domains:

scratch.lego.com
scratch.siegelendowment.org
scratch.nsf.gov

And, while Scratch's roots are in MIT, Scratch is(as I have seen repeatedly) a fully independent organization.

starlightsparker wrote:
so .mit being there isnt an issue imo, cause its kind of like a tribute to the university that helped scratch get where they are today.
I mean… sure. But you don't need to literally use their domain to give tribute. IMO the credits given on these pages are enough: Careers, Supporters.

Yes, they don’t HAVE to use their domain for tribute, but since it’s already there they don’t need to bother to remove it because it works.

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GlitchedThrough

starlightsparker wrote:
I mean… sure. But you don't need to literally use their domain to give tribute. IMO the credits given on these pages are enough: Careers, Supporters.

Yes, they don’t HAVE to use their domain for tribute, but since it’s already there they don’t need to bother to remove it because it works.
Mrow meow.(Yes, but why should the ST rely on a third party for the domain? They can easily change it, and they already own Scratch.org. It’s also much easier if they want to set up subdomains later on.)

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Steve0Greatness

starlightsparker wrote:
Yes, they don’t HAVE to use their domain for tribute, but since it’s already there they don’t need to bother to remove it because it works.

Yes, it does WORK, but why should they rely on another organization to provide them a domain?

GlitchedThrough wrote:
Yes, but why should the ST rely on a third party for the domain? They can easily change it, and they already own Scratch.org. It’s also much easier if they want to set up subdomains later on.

Exactly, plus: I didn't even think about the subdomains bit possibly being easier.

/hj is the worst tone indicator. It's confusing and ambiguous. I hate it. The point of tone indicators is to indicate tone, or the way that a piece of text should be read, but what does “half joking” mean? Do you just wake up in the morning and think “wow, I really have something I want to talk about seriously but also kinda not, IDK you decide.” It's useless. I hate it. It just provokes a deep rooted anger within me whenever I see it. People just comment /hj as if it makes any sense. It doesn't. Oh wow, it's a tone indicator that's has a relative meaning, how useful, I'll use it in every comment I post. NO. STOP IT. You're a tone indicator, you have only one job, and yet you sit there doing nothing apart angering me.

/srs

^^^ (there's more below)
This one is useful because it tells you that this signature is fully 100% serious. (/srs) Who would've thought that tone indicators needed to tell you something about the piece of text they're attached to? /s

I'm serious, I'm not even going to put multiple (/hj)s a the end of my signature as to mock the previous paragraph for not getting the point of something(like previous version of my signature). /srs

Steve0Greatness

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/hj is the worst tone indicator. It's confusing and ambiguous. I hate it. The point of tone indicators is to indicate tone, or the way that a piece of text should be read, but what does “half joking” mean? Do you just wake up in the morning and think “wow, I really have something I want to talk about seriously but also kinda not, IDK you decide.” It's useless. I hate it. It just provokes a deep rooted anger within me whenever I see it. People just comment /hj as if it makes any sense. It doesn't. Oh wow, it's a tone indicator that's has a relative meaning, how useful, I'll use it in every comment I post. NO. STOP IT. You're a tone indicator, you have only one job, and yet you sit there doing nothing apart angering me.

/srs

^^^ (there's more below)
This one is useful because it tells you that this signature is fully 100% serious. (/srs) Who would've thought that tone indicators needed to tell you something about the piece of text they're attached to? /s

I'm serious, I'm not even going to put multiple (/hj)s a the end of my signature as to mock the previous paragraph for not getting the point of something(like previous version of my signature). /srs

WallydogChoppychop

Semi-Support I think this is really for the ST to decide, and not users /hj

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WallydogChoppychop wrote:
Semi-Support I think this is really for the ST to decide, and not users /hj

“This is for the ST to decide” is like saying “Well your opinion is subjective.” It in no way invalidates anything.

Also, how is that a joke in any way? I don't get it.

/hj is the worst tone indicator. It's confusing and ambiguous. I hate it. The point of tone indicators is to indicate tone, or the way that a piece of text should be read, but what does “half joking” mean? Do you just wake up in the morning and think “wow, I really have something I want to talk about seriously but also kinda not, IDK you decide.” It's useless. I hate it. It just provokes a deep rooted anger within me whenever I see it. People just comment /hj as if it makes any sense. It doesn't. Oh wow, it's a tone indicator that's has a relative meaning, how useful, I'll use it in every comment I post. NO. STOP IT. You're a tone indicator, you have only one job, and yet you sit there doing nothing apart angering me.

/srs

^^^ (there's more below)
This one is useful because it tells you that this signature is fully 100% serious. (/srs) Who would've thought that tone indicators needed to tell you something about the piece of text they're attached to? /s

I'm serious, I'm not even going to put multiple (/hj)s a the end of my signature as to mock the previous paragraph for not getting the point of something(like previous version of my signature). /srs

EatNYeet

MagicCoder330 wrote:
(#280)
We should just change it to Scratch.Edu, because schools are suspicious of .org and may start blocking it.

Scratch isn't a college website, it's a lil educational coding sharing platform for kids. They are quite literally unable to buy scratch.edu.

gdfsgdfsgdfg wrote:
(#278)
for scratchers that think .edu is for educational websites (its for institutions of high level education not for just educational websites)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.edu

Why is this a thing?

mumu245

EatNYeet wrote:
(#336)
MagicCoder330 wrote:
(#280)
We should just change it to Scratch.Edu, because schools are suspicious of .org and may start blocking it.

Scratch isn't a college website, it's a lil educational coding sharing platform for kids. They are quite literally unable to buy scratch.edu.

gdfsgdfsgdfg wrote:
(#278)
for scratchers that think .edu is for educational websites (its for institutions of high level education not for just educational websites)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.edu

https://net.educause.edu/eligibility.htm

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Clippy-Cat

mumu245 wrote:
https://net.educause.edu/eligibility.htm

This document allows for United States based educational institutions, university districts based in the US, and non-profit associations that's members consist of at least 75% universities. In addition: all domains registered before 2001 October 29 are allowed to keep running, as long as they continuously renew their registration.

The document also states, with no uncertainty:

Eligibility - Educause wrote:
Generic names are not allowed, and .edu domain names may not be deployed to identify any organization other than the registrant institution or organization. Intentionally deploying a .edu domain name for an institution or organization other than the registrant entity would constitute a violation of domain policy and may lead to the termination of the domain name registration.

This appears to imply that if Scratch does not stop using mit.edu, MIT could possibly lose their domain. Although it does not explicitly state that allowing organizations other than the registrant to use a subdomain is not allowed.

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mumu245

Clippy-Cat wrote:
(#338)
mumu245 wrote:
https://net.educause.edu/eligibility.htm
This document allows for United States based educational institutions, university districts based in the US, and non-profit associations that's members consist of at least 75% universities. In addition: all domains registered before 2001 October 29 are allowed to keep running, as long as they continuously renew their registration.

The document also states, with no uncertainty:

Eligibility - Educause wrote:
Generic names are not allowed, and .edu domain names may not be deployed to identify any organization other than the registrant institution or organization. Intentionally deploying a .edu domain name for an institution or organization other than the registrant entity would constitute a violation of domain policy and may lead to the termination of the domain name registration.

This appears to imply that if Scratch does not stop using mit.edu, MIT could possibly lose their domain. Although it does not explicitly state that allowing organizations other than the registrant to use a subdomain is not allowed.

I wanted to reinforce it, not counter it, sorry. I knew edu is for universities.

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Clippy-Cat

mumu245 wrote:
I wanted to reinforce it, not counter it, sorry. I knew edu is for universities.

Gotcha! I just thought I'd summarize it and hypothesize about its application to the best of my ability; I wasn't trying to counter, either. I apologize if it came off that way.

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