Why are their only 10 Cloud Variables in a Project?

sukit-games

I want to create a chat for a game I'm making and I am hitting my head because I need at least 11 cloud variables for the chat and for the game itself I need at least another 7 and more for another part (4). Why make this restriction?

Last edited by sukit-games (March 27, 2024 13:02:56)

ramenecho

It is probably restricted because the scratch teams servers dont have infinite data capacity and they dont want somebody to make a game with like 8000 cloud variables to intentionally destroy the scratch servers. You could attempt to make a system where one variable stores 2 different values, i mean people do that with save codes so it could work.

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sukit-games

I understand the restriction but why 10 it really annoys. put it on 30 or 40 and make people a Scratcher after 4 months in order to make it easier for the servers.

ramenecho

sukit-games wrote:
I understand the restriction but why 10 it really annoys. put it on 30 or 40 and make people a Scratcher after 4 months in order to make it easier for the servers.

Well that’s what the suggestions forum is for

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And then someone will ask why there are only 30 or 40. Cloud variables used to hold thousands of digits but a decision was obviously made to limit them and given the general aims of Scratch as a language to learn coding I think it's fair enough that the ST keep them limited, especially if this allows resources to be used for improving Scratch - I'd much rather have file input and output and decent string handling than move cloud data.

In any case this isn't really a scripting question.

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1KB of cloud variables per project is enough

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undeterminstic wrote:
1KB of cloud variables per project is enough

WOAH, that is TOO much.
see? its really big. work with it.

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among_us1w2 wrote:
undeterminstic wrote:
1KB of cloud variables per project is enough
WOAH, that is TOO much.
see? its really big. work with it.

1KB is not large, it is 1000 bytes, a rich text file just containing the letter e is 384 bytes. note the actual amount of data all 10 cloudd variables store is 1063 bytes

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undeterminstic wrote:
among_us1w2 wrote:
undeterminstic wrote:
1KB of cloud variables per project is enough
WOAH, that is TOO much.
see? its really big. work with it.
1KB is not large, it is 1000 bytes, a rich text file just containing the letter e is 384 bytes. note the actual amount of data all 10 cloudd variables store is 1063 bytes

bro all my save data smaller than that!

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among_us1w2 wrote:
bro all my save data smaller than that!

The average project with no costumes or large sounds with just code is ~20kb for 100 blocks, 1kb isn't that large.

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sukit-games wrote:
I want to create a chat for a game I'm making and I am hitting my head because I need at least 11 cloud variables for the chat and for the game itself I need at least another 7 and more for another part (4). Why make this restriction?

This has been answered (sort of) but I just want to add that if you need that many cloud variables, try using a cloud list with each item acting like a cloud variable.

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lgrov44 wrote:
sukit-games wrote:
I want to create a chat for a game I'm making and I am hitting my head because I need at least 11 cloud variables for the chat and for the game itself I need at least another 7 and more for another part (4). Why make this restriction?
This has been answered (sort of) but I just want to add that if you need that many cloud variables, try using a cloud list with each item acting like a cloud variable.

Cloud lists are not a thing.

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lgrov44 wrote:
sukit-games wrote:
I want to create a chat for a game I'm making and I am hitting my head because I need at least 11 cloud variables for the chat and for the game itself I need at least another 7 and more for another part (4). Why make this restriction?
This has been answered (sort of) but I just want to add that if you need that many cloud variables, try using a cloud list with each item acting like a cloud variable.
Cloud lists are not a thing.

They are.

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Their servers wouldn't be able to handle more, so they had to set the restriction to 10 cloud variables.

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lgrov44 wrote:
han614698 wrote:
lgrov44 wrote:
sukit-games wrote:
I want to create a chat for a game I'm making and I am hitting my head because I need at least 11 cloud variables for the chat and for the game itself I need at least another 7 and more for another part (4). Why make this restriction?
This has been answered (sort of) but I just want to add that if you need that many cloud variables, try using a cloud list with each item acting like a cloud variable.
Cloud lists are not a thing.
They are.

That particular project probably isn’t performant enough to make a multiplayer game. I don’t think it is made for that. It would be possible to reuse variables and fit multiple things in a single one, however.

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sukit-games wrote:
I want to create a chat for a game I'm making and I am hitting my head because I need at least 11 cloud variables for the chat and for the game itself I need at least another 7 and more for another part (4). Why make this restriction?

chat systems arent allowed

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deck26 wrote:
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And then someone will ask why there are only 30 or 40. Cloud variables used to hold thousands of digits but a decision was obviously made to limit them and given the general aims of Scratch as a language to learn coding I think it's fair enough that the ST keep them limited, especially if this allows resources to be used for improving Scratch - I'd much rather have file input and output and decent string handling than move cloud data.

In any case this isn't really a scripting question.

Do you know all other operations are done locally and don't require servers? Only cloud data does.

There is also a restriction that only allows 256 digits in one cloud variable, and you can only update them 10 times a second. The reason is probably that the Scratch Team is afraid of users making use of cloud data to send unmoderated messages, as well as server resources, of course.

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imfh wrote:
lgrov44 wrote:
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That particular project probably isn’t performant enough to make a multiplayer game. I don’t think it is made for that. It would be possible to reuse variables and fit multiple things in a single one, however.

Yes, but that was just an example. Many other cloud lists do exist, especially more efficient ones for that purpose. The specific point I tried to make was that it is practically possible to use a cloud list for such a mentioned purpose and that, though I didn't mention this originally, has been done alrighty.

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