Jonathan50 wrote:

gtoal wrote:

Also, your language can implicitly print the contents of the stack on exit. One fewer command to require, since the last thing any useful program will do is print something out.

I was considering adding that to my language, but I got the idea from Pyth, and your interpreter

CodeLegend wrote:

must NOT mimic specific aspects of another programming language. (This is up to my discretion.)

@CodeLegend can I add that?

CodeLegend wrote:

A good rule of thumb is that if it's used in multiple languages, you can use it in yours.

IcyCoder wrote:

@CodeLegend can you tell me what to expect on the challenges because mine has a lot but may not be enough Thanks!

gtoal wrote:

Let me check I understand the IO requirements.

1) Our interpreter must do an initial ‘ask’ in order to enter the codegolfed program to be executed

2) the executing program can ‘ask’ as many times as it needs for user data

3) The only I/O needed or wanted or allowed is placing text in a displayed list. (Will that list have a predefined name?) So no pen drawing to be supported, no sprites, no stamping of text etc.

CodeLegend wrote:

IcyCoder wrote:

@CodeLegend can you tell me what to expect on the challenges because mine has a lot but may not be enough Thanks!

Don't expect to make a super-short program for all of them… As a basic turing-completeness check, ask yourself if you could perform any mathematical function. If you couldn't, re-engineer your language so that you could. String manipulation is a bit trickier, but the three blocks in Scratch seem to suffice.
If your language is Turing-complete, you will be able to complete all of the challenges.

CodeLegend wrote:

IcyCoder wrote:

@CodeLegend can you tell me what to expect on the challenges because mine has a lot but may not be enough Thanks!

Don't expect to make a super-short program for all of them… As a basic turing-completeness check, ask yourself if you could perform any mathematical function. If you couldn't, re-engineer your language so that you could. String manipulation is a bit trickier, but the three blocks in Scratch seem to suffice.
If your language is Turing-complete, you will be able to complete all of the challenges.

gtoal wrote:

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I think it's a fair question to ask what implicit functions will be required. If a problem needs the use of tan(x) and the coder didn't include a call to a tan function, he'd have to write one from scratch. There are too many math and other library functions for us to guess at. Maybe define a subset of functions (ones that can be implemented with scratch blocks)? OR… set problems that don't require *any* implicit functions apart from simple arithmetic.

IcyCoder wrote:

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I am still working on string manipulation but I am thinking about just adding in all of the Scratch string manipulation blocks. My mathematics is great. My if statements are ify they work but they are confusion. Will we be the ones solving the challenge?

Also you should make a rule of people making blank statements because you can just make when you click enter on the ask it can solve the advanced challenges. I would just ban it

gtoal wrote:

PS May I reserve the name “!” for any language I might write for this? In case I find myself more idle than I expect on the boat, after I've finished the other two projects I planned to work on… :-)

gtoal wrote:

Question: say I implement a general-purpose text compression algorithm, would it be a valid golf submission when we get to that stage, to allow the program to be entered using compressed text, ie no longer a 1:1 correlation between text and language constructs? Somewhat akin to, perhaps, entering a btoa-encoded gzip of a C source program.

Jonathan50 wrote:

Are hacked blocks allowed?

CodeLegend wrote:

gtoal wrote:

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I think it's a fair question to ask what implicit functions will be required. If a problem needs the use of tan(x) and the coder didn't include a call to a tan function, he'd have to write one from scratch. There are too many math and other library functions for us to guess at. Maybe define a subset of functions (ones that can be implemented with scratch blocks)? OR… set problems that don't require *any* implicit functions apart from simple arithmetic.

If you include all of the scratch mathematical functions, you'll be good to go. I'm not going to give a specific set because that would narrow down possible challenges.

IcyCoder wrote:

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I am still working on string manipulation but I am thinking about just adding in all of the Scratch string manipulation blocks. My mathematics is great. My if statements are ify they work but they are confusion. Will we be the ones solving the challenge?

Also you should make a rule of people making blank statements because you can just make when you click enter on the ask it can solve the advanced challenges. I would just ban it

The interpreter can't be changed after the challenges are released. So unless they get really lucky, that's not going to happen.

gtoal wrote:

PS May I reserve the name “!” for any language I might write for this? In case I find myself more idle than I expect on the boat, after I've finished the other two projects I planned to work on… :-)

Sure! “!” is reserved.

gtoal wrote:

Question: say I implement a general-purpose text compression algorithm, would it be a valid golf submission when we get to that stage, to allow the program to be entered using compressed text, ie no longer a 1:1 correlation between text and language constructs? Somewhat akin to, perhaps, entering a btoa-encoded gzip of a C source program.

As long as the code entered into the ask box only uses the 95 characters listed in the first post, anything goes.

Jonathan50 wrote:

Are hacked blocks allowed?

The first post doesn't say otherwise.

CodeLegend wrote:

IcyCoder wrote:

Question: Can I use a engine on scratch if I give credit that will do the calculation for the math?

From the first post:

Your interpreter must NOT contain any code (Scratch blocks or translated from another language) from an interpreter created by someone other than yourself.

So yes, if that project wasn't designed as a programming language interpreter.

([ v] of () :: operators)

IcyCoder wrote:

CodeLegend wrote:

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I also think that it is a fair point because you released some of the challenges already. Also I shared mine (not even close to done) https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/116870302/

CodeLegend wrote:

IcyCoder wrote:

CodeLegend wrote:

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I also think that it is a fair point because you released some of the challenges already. Also I shared mine (not even close to done) https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/116870302/

I can't tell what you're referring to. Remember that when you quote you can reduce the quote to a specific piece of the original message, as long as you're not deliberately changing the inferred meaning.

IcyCoder wrote:

CodeLegend wrote:

IcyCoder wrote:

CodeLegend wrote:

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I also think that it is a fair point because you released some of the challenges already. Also I shared mine (not even close to done) https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/116870302/

I can't tell what you're referring to. Remember that when you quote you can reduce the quote to a specific piece of the original message, as long as you're not deliberately changing the inferred meaning.

The whole thing that some one can make a hard challenge in 0 char of code

CodeLegend wrote:

IcyCoder wrote:

CodeLegend wrote:

IcyCoder wrote:

CodeLegend wrote:

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I also think that it is a fair point because you released some of the challenges already. Also I shared mine (not even close to done) https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/116870302/

I can't tell what you're referring to. Remember that when you quote you can reduce the quote to a specific piece of the original message, as long as you're not deliberately changing the inferred meaning.

The whole thing that some one can make a hard challenge in 0 char of code

No, they can't unless they get super lucky. I haven't released any challenges yet. The ones in the first post are examples.

PullJosh wrote:

-stache- wrote:

I'm calling mine “StachyStack”

I'm calling mine “Pull-allyourhairout”.

Jonathan50 wrote:

I'm just providing Scratch's

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block. Its a bit long to use though (well, for golfing) and it'll hurt even more because I have no procedures.