Scratchperson1000000 wrote:

-0Nebula0- wrote:

fdreerf wrote:

Scratchperson1000000 wrote:

oh yeah! let's just randomly put the square root and fractions and algebra into scratch!

(sqrt () :: operators)
(() / () [+ v] () / () :: operators )
([x v] [+ v] [y v] :: operators)

we definitely don't care if it can be confusing!

Square root is already in Scratch though? And fractions aren't confusing; they're like first grade math, and they're also in Scratch using the division block? And I guess you could write some code to solve some basic middle school algebraic equations…

^ pretty much. When I saw the OG post, I was confused, because we already HAVE a sqrt block ^

I don't remember square root being added into Scratch

([sqrt v] of (9))

Scratchperson1000000 wrote:

oh yeah! let's just randomly put the square root and fractions and algebra into scratch!

(sqrt () :: operators)
(() / () [+ v] () / () :: operators )
([x v] [+ v] [y v] :: operators)

we definitely don't care if it can be confusing!

NO SUPPORT
we can't just randomly put blocks that can be confusing. you cant rename

move (10) steps

to

scroll (10) pixels :: motion

or rename

stamp

to

giant mark :: pen

(text removed by owner of the message - don't assume blocks are that block)
no support, what if we renamed “if <> then” to “when <> is true” if new scratchers don't even know what true means in scratch

([ v] of (9))

Futurebot5 wrote:

how in the world would an 8 year old using Scratch not know what true means?

Scratchperson1000000 wrote:

oh yeah! let's just randomly put the square root and fractions and algebra into scratch!

(sqrt () :: operators)
(() / () [+ v] () / () :: operators )
([x v] [+ v] [y v] :: operators)

we definitely don't care if it can be confusing!

NO SUPPORT
we can't just randomly put blocks that can be confusing. you cant rename

move (10) steps

to

scroll (10) pixels :: motion

or rename

stamp

to

giant mark :: pen

(text removed by owner of the message - don't assume blocks are that block)
no support, what if we renamed “if <> then” to “when <> is true” if new scratchers don't even know what true means in scratch

Ihatr wrote:

They don't have to use the blocks if they don't know what they mean! Scratch is meant to have a high ceiling

Maximouse wrote:

Ihatr wrote:

They don't have to use the blocks if they don't know what they mean! Scratch is meant to have a high ceiling

High ceiling doesn't mean it has to provide advanced features. It means it needs to be possible to make advanced projects with the features that exist. Increasing limits such as the 5 MB project.json limit is a better way to make the ceiling higher than adding new features.

the2000 wrote:

Maximouse wrote:

Ihatr wrote:

They don't have to use the blocks if they don't know what they mean! Scratch is meant to have a high ceiling

High ceiling doesn't mean it has to provide advanced features. It means it needs to be possible to make advanced projects with the features that exist. Increasing limits such as the 5 MB project.json limit is a better way to make the ceiling higher than adding new features.

Disagree. It's important, but it's really really really really not the only problem. Raising the project limit won't do anything to negate the glaring absence of such simple features as "letters () to () of [string]". I know that this might sound like me bringing up a random suggestion that I personally agree with just to complain about how it hasn't been added yet, but that sounds like what your reply is too

Maximouse wrote:

the2000 wrote:

-snip-

letters () to () of (string) isn't an advanced feature, and it isn't confusing either. I think that if a feature is hard to understand and doesn't add new capabilities to Scratch, then it shouldn't be added.

Maximouse wrote:

Increasing limits such as the 5 MB project.json limit is a better way to make the ceiling higher than adding new features.

the2000 wrote:

And I definitely disagree with that statement; you won't spot a difference in results between giving me five minutes to pick up a bowling ball with chopsticks and giving me ten. Increasing the amount of time (space) I have won't make nearly as big of a difference as letting me just use my hands (better blocks for certain tasks).

fdreerf wrote:

the2000 wrote:

And I definitely disagree with that statement; you won't spot a difference in results between giving me five minutes to pick up a bowling ball with chopsticks and giving me ten. Increasing the amount of time (space) I have won't make nearly as big of a difference as letting me just use my hands (better blocks for certain tasks).

Bad analogy. I think a better one is giving you some rope, pulleys, gears, wood, and nails and telling you to pick up the bowling ball that way. It would definitely be easier to just give you a forklift but given enough time I'd expect you to make something capable of picking up the ball.

the2000 wrote:

I feel like a problem is that neither of these examples acknowledge performance in any way. You can work around the absence of the "letters () to () of [string]" reporter, but it's clunky and leads to a crap-ton of unnecessary slowdown.

fdreerf wrote:

the2000 wrote:

I feel like a problem is that neither of these examples acknowledge performance in any way. You can work around the absence of the "letters () to () of [string]" reporter, but it's clunky and leads to a crap-ton of unnecessary slowdown.

I wasn't arguing against that block, I too would like it in Scratch, that was just more of a general response to advanced features like OOP and first-class stuff.

fdreerf wrote:

We also have to remember that not everyone on Scratch is 8; the average age of a new Scratcher is 16, and the mode is 12.

Rendangbike2 wrote:

fdreerf wrote:

We also have to remember that not everyone on Scratch is 8; the average age of a new Scratcher is 16, and the mode is 12.

What?

fdreerf wrote:

Rendangbike2 wrote:

fdreerf wrote:

We also have to remember that not everyone on Scratch is 8; the average age of a new Scratcher is 16, and the mode is 12.

What?

What is there to not understand? The average age of a new Scratcher according to Scratch Statistics is 16.