gem1001 wrote:

cacacacabonbom wrote:

SPEEDBUTP

I just bumped it

FWGcats wrote:

I think the new one is really poorly organised but maybe they did that to cover up any loopholes. why change it, though?

CaptFrIEdshrimp wrote:

gem1001 wrote:

cacacacabonbom wrote:

SPEEDBUTP

I just bumped it

New user

The new Terms say Scratch can train AI on our stuff

gem1001 wrote:

-snip-
The new Terms say Scratch can train AI on our stuff
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spiningCat_gamez wrote:

They always have.

spiningCat_gamez wrote:

in fact, they can do anything with our projects

spiningCat_gamez wrote:

They always have.

spiningCat_gamez wrote:

in fact, they can do anything with our projects

gem1001 wrote:

spiningCat_gamez wrote:

They always have.

Not explicitly, and not without need for credit and SharingAlike

spiningCat_gamez wrote:

in fact, they can do anything with our projects

That is not true

IloveRoblox003 wrote:

gem1001 wrote:

spiningCat_gamez wrote:

They always have.

Not explicitly, and not without need for credit and SharingAlike

That, would be false (or at least, the second half of your statement). There was some section that said by using the scratch website thingy, scratch gains the right to use your creations for things like commercial use or advertising.

This license also allows the Scratch Team to display, distribute, and reproduce your content on the Scratch website, through social media channels, and elsewhere.

IloveRoblox003 wrote:

spiningCat_gamez wrote:

in fact, they can do anything with our projects

That is not true

Yea, technically not true, as they cant bring out projects to real life (unless its realistic or something)

But otherwise its true: They are allowed to remove projects for no reason, with some admin abuse (messing with API) they could probably change some stuff in projects, they can use them for their ads, etc.

blessingj100 wrote:

I don't really see how the current ToS draft you supplied prohibits people from training projects and the like to AI chatbots/crawlers, like what was stated in the current ToS, and was one of the main reasons for changing it in the first place.

If you want to have your draft to actually be accepted, you're going to have to cover AI chatbot training in it one way or another.

In the OP, disallowing crawlers is marked as an “issue”, but there isn't anything in the ToS draft to provide an alternate solution to its purpose. Sure, there's a thing there about Scratch not training AI, but there's nothing in there that specifically covers external training.

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gem1001 wrote:

(#137)

Michael_M_Games wrote:

Anyways, I think I've posted here before, but Draft #4 is great!
One problem only, in section 2, number 5 and 8 should not say 'Stuff' as it's informal. A better alternative for 8 would be 'content' but I have no clue what to put for number 5, so maybe that would remain 'Stuff'

gem1001 wrote:

The old one was long-winded and poorly written
The new one is one of the worst things to ever happen to Scratch

To elaborate further:

• The new Terms are an extreme 33-and-a-half pages long
  
• The new Terms are less clearly organised
  
• The new Terms say you have to be 18+ to sign up without parental consent
  
• The new Terms say Scratch can train AI on our stuff
  
• The new Terms say Scratch can charge money for anything
  
• The new Terms explicitly list 5 social media sites ('TikTok, Snap, Facebook, Instagram, and
  Twitter/X')
  
• The new Terms hint at AI image generation
  
• The new Terms ban all crawlers
  
• The new Terms have a no-reverse-engineering clause
  

I would suggest a simple, brief Terms, comparable to Snap!'s, also without any of the unreasonable terms mentioned above.

My drafts for a new new Terms:
Latest draft
Draft #3
Draft #2
Draft #1

Duke_Scratch56 wrote:

No support, I do not want to pay for scratch.

draft 4
”Don’t post links to external sites, if doing so would violate these Terms”