Do NOT add AI to Scratch — #NoAIOnScratch

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tom_btg wrote:
guys ai is gonna take over the world soon enough if we don't stop it heros vs ai ai is getting into EVERYWHEREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

EDawg2011

@Sasha_Banks272, It might be a good idea to link to this video in your original post: https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/youtube/tGwu-7jTeaY/
I don't know if this video's from the official Scratch or not. Also, please summarize this video if you can.

Last edited by EDawg2011 (Feb. 28, 2026 13:10:57)

CosmicStarV1

StarFutureFox wrote:
it's ALL CONTENT

do you have proof of this?

sup3r_r0ck

CosmicStarV1 wrote:
StarFutureFox wrote:
it's ALL CONTENT
do you have proof of this?

It says “user content” in the tos but again Ai image generation is a rejected suggestion so it’s more likely than not that they’re not doing anything with art

AndPherbCodes

I hate saying this, but what if we all… quit? Or better, make stuff on different platforms, (classic) copyleft it, port it onto scratch? That could possibly make a loophole. Or just force scratch to take it down.

AndPherbCodes

Also, I don't want to be that guy, but perhaps it's not for them to directly train models, but to make it so that if openAI yoinks our projects, we can't do anything to stop them, and in turn scratch doesn't have to protect us. It's bad, but a different type of bad.

sup3r_r0ck

This forum is just causing arguing at this point someone should close it for a little bit

Someone2939

just stop it

ma007rio

sup3r_r0ck wrote:
This forum is just causing arguing at this point someone should close it for a little bit

yeah… we're just repeating the same points over and over again

GarnetonScratch

They're not listening yet.

C_h_a_r_l_o_tt_e

GarnetonScratch wrote:
They're not listening yet.

Scratch team is. Scratch foundation isn’t.

Binks2026

C_h_a_r_l_o_tt_e wrote:
GarnetonScratch wrote:
They're not listening yet.
Scratch team is. Scratch foundation isn’t.

sadly the scratch team has barely any power (because the SF own them), so we will be stuck with this.

EDawg2011

sup3r_r0ck wrote:
#3052
This forum is just causing arguing at this point someone should close it for a little bit

We need Scratch to listen to us. Maybe the Scratch Team can take down the flame wars instead of shutting down the whole topic.

Last edited by EDawg2011 (March 1, 2026 20:28:35)

IloveRoblox003

Doomy- wrote:
I think that AI can be used as a good thing.

As long as Scratch is not adding a generative bot- one that generates games and text, then I dont see a problem. If the AI is simply helping the user, then it doesn't diminish creativity- and it helps the user.

Feel free to correct me.

AI that would use analogies and the Socratic method would be nice, but that would be generative

ajskateboarder

StarFutureFox wrote:
UHH, if you're gonna leap off the demo vid and claim it doesn't show anything except an ‘AI assistant’, I'd like to remind you of something someone else (I can't remember who) said earlier: it created a random ah food truck that was not in any way related to the original project.

The demo video is all we currently know about the CLA and it was what scratchcode1_2_3 was talking about. The ToS contains information about what Scratch is allowed to use user Content for, not the functionality of their planned assistant. Scratch may very well create an assistant that doesn't implement everything they grant themselves in the ToS.

I'm not sure what food truck that person was talking about because I did not see assets being “generated” anywhere in the video. Please have a source or a video timestamp

scratchcode1_2_3 wrote:
read the ToS twin

I have already many times

also it can just straight up steal sprites………

Don't see how this is an issue

CuteHamsterOwO

ajskateboarder wrote:
StarFutureFox wrote:
UHH, if you're gonna leap off the demo vid and claim it doesn't show anything except an ‘AI assistant’, I'd like to remind you of something someone else (I can't remember who) said earlier: it created a random ah food truck that was not in any way related to the original project.
The demo video is all we currently know about the CLA and it was what scratchcode1_2_3 was talking about. The ToS contains information about what Scratch is allowed to use user Content for, not the functionality of their planned assistant. Scratch may very well create an assistant that doesn't implement everything they grant themselves in the ToS.

I'm not sure what food truck that person was talking about because I did not see assets being “generated” anywhere in the video. Please have a source or a video timestamp
scratchcode1_2_3 wrote:
read the ToS twin
I have already many times
also it can just straight up steal sprites………
Don't see how this is an issue

uhm, stealing without giving proper credit, and even with credit, but not permission (REAL permission, as in willing, not ToS permission ) is bad, because STEALING STUFF IS BAD in general

edit: RULER OF THE PAGE teheheheheeee

Last edited by CuteHamsterOwO (Feb. 28, 2026 20:39:59)

AndPherbCodes

AndPherbCodes wrote:
Also, I don't want to be that guy, but perhaps it's not for them to directly train models, but to make it so that if openAI yoinks our projects, we can't do anything to stop them, and in turn scratch doesn't have to protect us. It's bad, but a different type of bad.

plitd

Last edited by AndPherbCodes (Feb. 28, 2026 20:56:07)

StarFutureFox

ajskateboarder wrote:
StarFutureFox wrote:
UHH, if you're gonna leap off the demo vid and claim it doesn't show anything except an ‘AI assistant’, I'd like to remind you of something someone else (I can't remember who) said earlier: it created a random ah food truck that was not in any way related to the original project.
The demo video is all we currently know about the CLA and it was what scratchcode1_2_3 was talking about. The ToS contains information about what Scratch is allowed to use user Content for, not the functionality of their planned assistant. Scratch may very well create an assistant that doesn't implement everything they grant themselves in the ToS.

I'm not sure what food truck that person was talking about because I did not see assets being “generated” anywhere in the video. Please have a source or a video timestamp
scratchcode1_2_3 wrote:
read the ToS twin
I have already many times
also it can just straight up steal sprites………
Don't see how this is an issue

woahh, you don't see how that's an issue? I don't feel like repeating this again, but a lot of people do not like their sprites and art taken and fed to an AI? Hello? And, please watch the demo vid again, the AI ‘assistant’ literally added a random food truck that wasn't related to the project at all. I'm not about to go back and get a specific timestamp for you, go see it yourself if you don't believe me

ajskateboarder

CuteHamsterOwO wrote:
uhm, stealing without giving proper credit, and even with credit, but not permission (REAL permission, as in willing, not ToS permission ) is bad, because STEALING STUFF IS BAD in general

People on Scratch can “steal” stuff without permission today. Nobody has ever had to ask an original creator to use something in another project. Only credit is necessary (or was necessary, because now people can use sprites freely within Scratch without credit, according to the new ToS)

StarFutureFox wrote:
the AI ‘assistant’ literally added a random food truck that wasn't related to the project at all. I'm not about to go back and get a specific timestamp for you, go see it yourself if you don't believe me

I found a mention of the AI inaccurately stating there was a food truck on the stage. Otherwise, this is wrong. The assistant was providing assets from other projects, not generating them

woahh, you don't see how that's an issue? I don't feel like repeating this again, but a lot of people do not like their sprites and art taken and fed to an AI?

Looking over the ToS again, I do have problems with:

which may include (but not be limited to) licensing, developing, and improving AI models and allowing third parties to do so for free or for a fee

I don't really like that they're essentially giving away user Content directly to third parties. If they were training their own model or working with third parties in a more private manner, then I would have no issues. But otherwise I don't see how training an assistant from public code specifically for Scratch would be an issue (which is a personal opinion)

(in which case this suggestion handles things far more productively imo)

also: the accompanying Privacy Policy seems rather vague on this:

We may use AI and other automated technologies to facilitate the purposes set out above, such as to provide coding recommendations, moderate content and develop and improve the Scratch Website.

I've said this a lot already, but I don't think we have all that much information yet

Last edited by ajskateboarder (Feb. 28, 2026 21:46:52)

EDawg2011

ajskateboarder wrote:
also it can just straight up steal sprites………
Don't see how this is an issue

It's an issue if no credit is given.
Also, back in the day, people probably didn't want their hard work fed to a coding machine.

Last edited by EDawg2011 (Feb. 28, 2026 22:39:52)

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