Change the Scratch Domain

starlightsparker

The blue header was broken. This was not.

and I’m not saying scratch should have everyone they work with’s domain, but I’m saying since scratch already has mit, it’s not a big deal.

I didn’t know .edu is for univeristys . But it still gives a good impression that scratch has .mit.edu because mit is a university, so education yay schools hooray idk

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mumu245

starlightsparker wrote:
(#301)
The blue header was broken. This was not.

and I’m not saying scratch should have everyone they work with’s domain, but I’m saying since scratch already has mit, it’s not a big deal.

I didn’t know .edu is for univeristys . But it still gives a good impression that scratch has .mit.edu because mit is a university, so education yay schools hooray idk

Why was it broken more than having an unrelated domain?

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-greats- wrote:
no support

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starlightsparker

mumu245 wrote:
starlightsparker wrote:
(#301)
The blue header was broken. This was not.

and I’m not saying scratch should have everyone they work with’s domain, but I’m saying since scratch already has mit, it’s not a big deal.

I didn’t know .edu is for univeristys . But it still gives a good impression that scratch has .mit.edu because mit is a university, so education yay schools hooray idk
Why was it broken more than having an unrelated domain?

Correction, mit and scratch are still a lil bit related cause they work closely still.

And the blue header was more broke because they could’ve been sued for it not being accessible. Could they be sued for having a domain that’s related to their roots?

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leahcimto

starlightsparker wrote:
mumu245 wrote:
starlightsparker wrote:
(#301)
The blue header was broken. This was not.

and I’m not saying scratch should have everyone they work with’s domain, but I’m saying since scratch already has mit, it’s not a big deal.

I didn’t know .edu is for univeristys . But it still gives a good impression that scratch has .mit.edu because mit is a university, so education yay schools hooray idk
Why was it broken more than having an unrelated domain?
Correction, mit and scratch are still a lil bit related cause they work closely still.

And the blue header was more broke because they could’ve been sued for it not being accessible. Could they be sued for having a domain that’s related to their roots?

Do you have any evidence suggesting scratch and mit still work together?

starlightsparker

leahcimto wrote:
starlightsparker wrote:
mumu245 wrote:
starlightsparker wrote:
(#301)
The blue header was broken. This was not.

and I’m not saying scratch should have everyone they work with’s domain, but I’m saying since scratch already has mit, it’s not a big deal.

I didn’t know .edu is for univeristys . But it still gives a good impression that scratch has .mit.edu because mit is a university, so education yay schools hooray idk
Why was it broken more than having an unrelated domain?
Correction, mit and scratch are still a lil bit related cause they work closely still.

And the blue header was more broke because they could’ve been sued for it not being accessible. Could they be sued for having a domain that’s related to their roots?
Do you have any evidence suggesting scratch and mit still work together?

I heard it somewhere, someone here definitely has a direct source but I don’t.

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MagicCoder330

My smol brain couldn't decypher this so I asked ChatGPT. Is it correct?

ChatGPT wrote:
This suggestion wants to change Scratch's domain to scratch.org. They say it won't cost anything because they already own it. They'll redirect links so they still work. Schools probably won't block it. Scratch used to be from MIT, but now it's its own thing. Passwords? Figure it out yourself. And Scratch won't buy scratch.edu because it's not becoming a school.

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cactus-cacti

MagicCoder330 wrote:
My smol brain couldn't decypher this so I asked ChatGPT. Is it correct?

ChatGPT wrote:
This suggestion wants to change Scratch's domain to scratch.org. They say it won't cost anything because they already own it. They'll redirect links so they still work. Schools probably won't block it. Scratch used to be from MIT, but now it's its own thing. Passwords? Figure it out yourself. And Scratch won't buy scratch.edu because it's not becoming a school.

seems right!

MagicCoder330

cactus-cacti wrote:
MagicCoder330 wrote:
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K cool, thanks for confirming. Anyway, I think that we shouldn't change it because then it would confuse people who were used to .edu and a lot of people would be confused with their passwords suddenly going away. The current domain seems to work for the purposes of it and MIT seems fine with Scratch being attached to it.

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Steve0Greatness

MagicCoder330 wrote:
K cool, thanks for confirming. Anyway, I think that we shouldn't change it because then it would confuse people who were used to .edu

I don't get how this would be a major issue. It's quite possible for people to not notice that a the domain of a website has changed(especially if it works exactly the same as before, i.e. every page on scratch.mit.edu redirects to the corresponding page on scratch.org).

MagicCoder330 wrote:
and a lot of people would be confused with their passwords suddenly going away.

Yes. If you're using a password manager, you will need to go into your password manager and find your Scratch Passwords

MagicCoder330 wrote:
The current domain seems to work for the purposes of it and MIT seems fine with Scratch being attached to it.

Thing is: Scratch is not MIT; and the domain having mit.edu in it implies that they are the same entity.

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starlightsparker wrote:
Correction, mit and scratch are still a lil bit related cause they work closely still.

Careers -- Scratch Foundation wrote:
After being developed and supported at MIT for more than 15 years, Scratch spun out of MIT and into the Scratch Foundation in late 2019. This transition is designed to support the continued growth and long-term sustainability of Scratch as a free, open, creative platform for children around the world.

– https://www.scratchfoundation.org/careers

Scratch used to be worked on by MIT. Now it is separate. This is a blatant, indisputable fact.

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starlightsparker wrote:
I heard it somewhere, someone here definitely has a direct source but I don’t.

I really shouldn't have to say this, but you should definitely have sources before saying something factual like “Scratch and MIT are related, still.”

starlightsparker wrote:
I didn’t know .edu is for univeristys . But it still gives a good impression that scratch has .mit.edu because mit is a university, so education yay schools hooray idk

Why should they carry the domain of a completely separate entity, especially when that domain was only given out due to originally being part of MIT.

MagicCoder330 wrote:
My smol brain couldn't decypher this so I asked ChatGPT. Is it correct?
~snip~

Yep. Looks like my suggestion to me.

starlightsparker wrote:
Could they be sued for having a domain that’s related to their roots?

I mean, no. But I honestly doubt every decision made for Scratch is made because they'll get sued. If it is: then that's a terrible way to build software.

-greats- wrote:
no support

Hey there! Do you mind clarifying why you don't support this suggestion?

Last edited by Steve0Greatness (April 2, 2024 05:16:35)

/hj is the worst tone indicator. It's confusing and ambiguous. I hate it. The point of tone indicators is to indicate tone, or the way that a piece of text should be read, but what does “half joking” mean? Do you just wake up in the morning and think “wow, I really have something I want to talk about seriously but also kinda not, IDK you decide.” It's useless. I hate it. It just provokes a deep rooted anger within me whenever I see it. People just comment /hj as if it makes any sense. It doesn't. Oh wow, it's a tone indicator that's has a relative meaning, how useful, I'll use it in every comment I post. NO. STOP IT. You're a tone indicator, you have only one job, and yet you sit there doing nothing apart angering me.

/srs

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This one is useful because it tells you that this signature is fully 100% serious. (/srs) Who would've thought that tone indicators needed to tell you something about the piece of text they're attached to? /s

I'm serious, I'm not even going to put multiple (/hj)s a the end of my signature as to mock the previous paragraph for not getting the point of something(like previous version of my signature). /srs

Steve0Greatness

BUMP

/hj is the worst tone indicator. It's confusing and ambiguous. I hate it. The point of tone indicators is to indicate tone, or the way that a piece of text should be read, but what does “half joking” mean? Do you just wake up in the morning and think “wow, I really have something I want to talk about seriously but also kinda not, IDK you decide.” It's useless. I hate it. It just provokes a deep rooted anger within me whenever I see it. People just comment /hj as if it makes any sense. It doesn't. Oh wow, it's a tone indicator that's has a relative meaning, how useful, I'll use it in every comment I post. NO. STOP IT. You're a tone indicator, you have only one job, and yet you sit there doing nothing apart angering me.

/srs

^^^ (there's more below)
This one is useful because it tells you that this signature is fully 100% serious. (/srs) Who would've thought that tone indicators needed to tell you something about the piece of text they're attached to? /s

I'm serious, I'm not even going to put multiple (/hj)s a the end of my signature as to mock the previous paragraph for not getting the point of something(like previous version of my signature). /srs

han614698

han614698 wrote:
leahcimto wrote:
han614698 wrote:
Your points are correct, but why make an unnecessary change? Yes, they’re not currently affiliated with MIT, but that’s where their original roots are.

As much as you say it’s not, edu domains are more trusted than org, and why make a change that may make parents/teachers/anyone not trust it more?
Scratch is such a large website with so many users, schools won’t trust it any lest. School monitoring software usually has an automatic whitelist for all schools. Scratch would be on it. Parents would figure it out, there could be a page explaining if that was really a problem (but since scratch.mit.edu would redirect to scratch.org I’m not sure that would be a concern)

Scratch.org is such a better domain than scratch.mit.edu which is longer and harder to remember. Many young kids are familiar with the org TLD and may not have seen the edu TLD before.
My school district does not have a white list, they contract with a company that censors certain topics. The only way to “whitelist” a certain website is to provide a very specific pathway to it (which takes hours). I have heard about/seen this process as my dad manages all the software for our school district. It’s not easy. Some users have already complained the Scratch Wiki is blocked as well, so you think this wouldn’t be?

I have never, in my entire life, heard someone even think about the edu TLD being sketchy/not trustworthy. I would like to stress that the org TLD is NOT sketchy or untrustworthy, but people are more likely to think it is. Scratch has been at .mit.edu for almost two decades, and never once have I heard that as a problem to memorize.

But the length isn’t even an issue - scratch.org already redirects here. If users don’t want to remember scratch.mit.edu, then they can already remember scratch.org. Maybe the suggestion needs to be advertising the .org domain the ST already owns. I also feel like second graders (8yos) should be able to memorize a domain. I had my login and Scratch’s web address memorized as a 8 year old. Besides that length point, why else would you want to change? Why risk losing people on your website, whether they’re there already here or not joining. It is true that I never heard anyone say they would leave Scratch if it became a .org, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t people that wouldn’t never join.

this was all typed on a phone…
wow I just wrote like a whole essay with transitions between paragraphs

Bump for Steve0Greatness to see

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leahcimto

starlightsparker wrote:
leahcimto wrote:
starlightsparker wrote:
mumu245 wrote:
starlightsparker wrote:
(#301)
The blue header was broken. This was not.

and I’m not saying scratch should have everyone they work with’s domain, but I’m saying since scratch already has mit, it’s not a big deal.

I didn’t know .edu is for univeristys . But it still gives a good impression that scratch has .mit.edu because mit is a university, so education yay schools hooray idk
Why was it broken more than having an unrelated domain?
Correction, mit and scratch are still a lil bit related cause they work closely still.

And the blue header was more broke because they could’ve been sued for it not being accessible. Could they be sued for having a domain that’s related to their roots?
Do you have any evidence suggesting scratch and mit still work together?
I heard it somewhere, someone here definitely has a direct source but I don’t.

well it's false. scratch and mit are no longer affiliated.

GlitchedThrough

leahcimto wrote:
starlightsparker wrote:
leahcimto wrote:
starlightsparker wrote:
mumu245 wrote:
starlightsparker wrote:
(#301)
The blue header was broken. This was not.

and I’m not saying scratch should have everyone they work with’s domain, but I’m saying since scratch already has mit, it’s not a big deal.

I didn’t know .edu is for univeristys . But it still gives a good impression that scratch has .mit.edu because mit is a university, so education yay schools hooray idk
Why was it broken more than having an unrelated domain?
Correction, mit and scratch are still a lil bit related cause they work closely still.

And the blue header was more broke because they could’ve been sued for it not being accessible. Could they be sued for having a domain that’s related to their roots?
Do you have any evidence suggesting scratch and mit still work together?
I heard it somewhere, someone here definitely has a direct source but I don’t.
well it's false. scratch and mit are no longer affiliated.

Mrow meow mrow.
(Just because they aren’t affiliated doesn't necessarily mean they don’t work together. It simply means they’re separate entities)

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leahcimto

GlitchedThrough wrote:
Mrow meow mrow.
(Just because they aren’t affiliated doesn't necessarily mean they don’t work together. It simply means they’re separate entities)

okay, but there's evidence that they split from llk at mit into scratch foundation and zero evidence that they still work together. your claim has zero evidence and for all i know could be completely made up.

GlitchedThrough

leahcimto wrote:
GlitchedThrough wrote:
Mrow meow mrow.
(Just because they aren’t affiliated doesn't necessarily mean they don’t work together. It simply means they’re separate entities)
okay, but there's evidence that they split from llk at mit into scratch foundation and zero evidence that they still work together. your claim has zero evidence and for all i know could be completely made up.

Mrow meow mrow. (I guess i should put my money where my mount is just a bit.)

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Steve0Greatness

han614698 wrote:
My school district does not have a white list, they contract with a company that censors certain topics. The only way to “whitelist” a certain website is to provide a very specific pathway to it (which takes hours). I have heard about/seen this process as my dad manages all the software for our school district. It’s not easy. Some users have already complained the Scratch Wiki is blocked as well, so you think this wouldn’t be?

Why would that company censor Scratch? It's pretty much as family friendly as it gets.

Plus, if it isn't already blocking Scratch: I doubt it would.

han614698 wrote:
I have never, in my entire life, heard someone even think about the edu TLD being sketchy/not trustworthy. I would like to stress that the org TLD is NOT sketchy or untrustworthy, but people are more likely to think it is.

I have never heard of anyone having an irrational fear of .org domains, at least not before making this thread.

han614698 wrote:
Scratch has been at .mit.edu for almost two decades, and never once have I heard that as a problem to memorize.

But the length isn’t even an issue - scratch.org already redirects here. If users don’t want to remember scratch.mit.edu, then they can already remember scratch.org. Maybe the suggestion needs to be advertising the .org domain the ST already owns. I also feel like second graders (8yos) should be able to memorize a domain. I had my login and Scratch’s web address memorized as a 8 year old. Besides that length point, why else would you want to change? Why risk losing people on your website, whether they’re there already here or not joining. It is true that I never heard anyone say they would leave Scratch if it became a .org, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t people that wouldn’t never join.

I have not talked at all about length
Memorization is not a problem that I have touched on, like, at all(if it's before #266: it doesn't count).
I have changed it to only be for Scratch.org, it has been that way for a while now.

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GlitchedThrough wrote:
I guess i should put my money where my mount is just a bit

That topic is a relic. Glad you could cite a source where the other person legit said “nah.”

At the same time: 2 (as you said, #315) separate entities working together doesn't mean that one should carry the domain of the other. That's just a bit silly.

/hj is the worst tone indicator. It's confusing and ambiguous. I hate it. The point of tone indicators is to indicate tone, or the way that a piece of text should be read, but what does “half joking” mean? Do you just wake up in the morning and think “wow, I really have something I want to talk about seriously but also kinda not, IDK you decide.” It's useless. I hate it. It just provokes a deep rooted anger within me whenever I see it. People just comment /hj as if it makes any sense. It doesn't. Oh wow, it's a tone indicator that's has a relative meaning, how useful, I'll use it in every comment I post. NO. STOP IT. You're a tone indicator, you have only one job, and yet you sit there doing nothing apart angering me.

/srs

^^^ (there's more below)
This one is useful because it tells you that this signature is fully 100% serious. (/srs) Who would've thought that tone indicators needed to tell you something about the piece of text they're attached to? /s

I'm serious, I'm not even going to put multiple (/hj)s a the end of my signature as to mock the previous paragraph for not getting the point of something(like previous version of my signature). /srs

GlitchedThrough

Steve0Greatness wrote:
GlitchedThrough wrote:
I guess i should put my money where my mount is just a bit
That topic is a relic. Glad you could cite a source where the other person legit said “nah.”

At the same time: 2 (as you said, #315) separate entities working together doesn't mean that one should carry the domain of the other. That's just a bit silly.

Meow mrow. (Well, I’m not saying that they should keep the domain. Just that tyhey still work together)

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the_awsome_penguinja

my school blocks any website where it's main domain is not .edu (except google), changing this will block scratch in my school.

finally back on scratch

There is definitely a feature on Scratch where if you don't follow me, a penguin will come to your house and eat all your food and blow up your fridge.

THIS IS NOT A LIE

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