No support, as said previously, it doesn't promote creativity, which is one of the main goals of Scratch.

It would also lead to a lot of controversy in the community.

We have the sprite library AND google images at our fingertips! If you really want AI images, you can just go to a dedicated site for that.

i dont even have to link it, you already KNOW my opinion on ai “art”
Absolutely not. Scratch's main objective is to make a creative expression site and to promote imagination. I'm pretty sure a machine that scrapped thousands of unconsenting artists work isn't “promoting creativity” And, as other have mentioned, the cost is not in Scratch Team's budget. If you need an art or image for a project, you can commission one or make it yourself.

The only way I could see this working is if Scratch creates their own AI program that trains it's data from consenting artists, like YouTube's DreamCast AI. Buuuut cost would still be through the roof, and it can still be used to generate inappropriate images and cause controversy

roofogato wrote:

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knew you would post here

Anyway, I agree with most of the points you bring up, except for the stealing one. AI doesn't belong in Scratch or any website for 8 year olds. i don't see why suggestions involving AI images are a thing now.

No support, using the slippery slope argument that this could eventually lead to Scratch implementing an AI project generator, which would 100% go against Scratch's motto of Imagine, Program, Share.

*cough*

IMAGINE,
Program,
Share.

*cough*

undeterministic wrote:

starlightsparker wrote:

A backround remover would cost 10k-50k USD

An AI image generator would cost 50k-100k USD


No.

The scratch team has $15,041,052. (I might be wrong)

Server costs
Paying employees
Etc

The Scratch motto:

forever
imagine ::motion
program ::sound
share ::operators
end

This would defeat the entire purpose of the FIRST THING SAID IN THE MOTTO

zero support for this
It would easily get abused
so no this shouldn't exist

I don't think AI is even allowed on the website, also no support because it could make inappropriate stuff.

Malicondi wrote:

Firstly and most obviously, AI image generators can would be used to generate inappropriate images, and there would have to be an unimaginable amount of filters to make that not happen.

Secondly, AI is costly, and as scratch is nonprofit, and they have many other higher priority objectives they have to spend their money, rather than a AI Image generator.

Thirdly, Scratch's slogan is "Imagine, Program, Share", Using AI generators would reduce the imagination of people looking to create projects, as would you rather use an highly detailed image that can be made for you in seconds or spend hours creating art you may not even like?

In other words, no support.

reply bump

RecessFailsOffical wrote:

*cough*

IMAGINE,
Program,
Share.

*cough*

DangerPuppy10 wrote:

This would defeat the entire purpose of the FIRST THING SAID IN THE MOTTO

I disagree. You have to be able to imagine something in order to ask an AI art generator to create it, right? What's the difference between getting images from an AI versus backpacking images that others created?

Malicondi wrote:

Thirdly, Scratch's slogan is "Imagine, Program, Share", Using AI generators would reduce the imagination of people looking to create projects, as would you rather use an highly detailed image that can be made for you in seconds or spend hours creating art you may not even like?

This one I'm also having trouble parsing. It seems to me that — at least on the surface — it would be preferable for most to get a highly detailed image in seconds? But that seems to be describing AI image generators, which you said you don't support.

Za-Chary wrote:

I disagree. You have to be able to imagine something in order to ask a

It takes more imagination to draw a picture yourself than to get a plasticky-looking one in seconds. And using somebody else's art doesn't mean that somebody doesn't do any work, because the person you're borrowing it from could have spent a lot of work on it.

Elijah999999 wrote:

Za-Chary wrote:

I disagree. You have to be able to imagine something in order to ask a

It takes more imagination to draw a picture yourself than to get a plasticky-looking one in seconds. And using somebody else's art doesn't mean that somebody doesn't do any work, because the person you're borrowing it from could have spent a lot of work on it.

I don't think its a matter of work involved, just if it serves the purpose you need. A stick figure can have as much practical application as a detailed, realistic human. An AI image generator just makes the image you need, just like a person would. Of course it looks a bit different than normal, but it still serves the purpose you need. Anyway, I still don't support despite this.

Elijah999999 wrote:

Za-Chary wrote:

I disagree. You have to be able to imagine something in order to ask a

It takes more imagination to draw a picture yourself than to get a plasticky-looking one in seconds. And using somebody else's art doesn't mean that somebody doesn't do any work, because the person you're borrowing it from could have spent a lot of work on it.

the ai took a long time to make…….

I thought they experimented with this already, but couldn't stop it from generating inappropriate images.

Za-Chary wrote:

RecessFailsOffical wrote:

*cough*

IMAGINE,
Program,
Share.

*cough*

DangerPuppy10 wrote:

This would defeat the entire purpose of the FIRST THING SAID IN THE MOTTO

I disagree. You have to be able to imagine something in order to ask an AI art generator to create it, right? What's the difference between getting images from an AI versus backpacking images that others created?

I disagree, this discourages people to be hardworking. And (as stated previously), AI, no matter how many filters you add. People will always want to make inappropriate stuff on there. And, the AI would entirely derail the art community.

DangerPuppy10 wrote:

Za-Chary wrote:

RecessFailsOffical wrote:

*cough*

IMAGINE,
Program,
Share.

*cough*

DangerPuppy10 wrote:

This would defeat the entire purpose of the FIRST THING SAID IN THE MOTTO

I disagree. You have to be able to imagine something in order to ask an AI art generator to create it, right? What's the difference between getting images from an AI versus backpacking images that others created?

I disagree, this discourages people to be hardworking. And (as stated previously), AI, no matter how many filters you add. People will always want to make inappropriate stuff on there. And, the AI would entirely derail the art community.

Not really AI art has existed not in scratch the art community on the internet is fine. People make art because they want to, sure an AI can do that but that doesn't stop them. But still play chess despite an AI being good at chess.

RecessFailsOffical wrote:

*cough*

IMAGINE,
Program,
Share.

*cough*

roofogato wrote:

Absolutely not. Scratch's main objective is to make a creative expression site and to promote imagination. I'm pretty sure a machine that scrapped thousands of unconsenting artists work isn't “promoting creativity”

DangerPuppy10 wrote:

The Scratch motto:

forever
imagine ::motion
program ::sound
share ::operators
end

This would defeat the entire purpose of the FIRST THING SAID IN THE MOTTO

(and etc.)

I think you guys forgot about the sprite library — that isn't really imaginative, so why does it exist?

also, literally nobody should be putting limitations on something because if it isn't “imaginative” or “creative” enough. like, if they don't wanna be creative then so be it.

undeterministic wrote:

DangerPuppy10 wrote:

Za-Chary wrote:

RecessFailsOffical wrote:

*cough*

IMAGINE,
Program,
Share.

*cough*

DangerPuppy10 wrote:

This would defeat the entire purpose of the FIRST THING SAID IN THE MOTTO

I disagree. You have to be able to imagine something in order to ask an AI art generator to create it, right? What's the difference between getting images from an AI versus backpacking images that others created?

I disagree, this discourages people to be hardworking. And (as stated previously), AI, no matter how many filters you add. People will always want to make inappropriate stuff on there. And, the AI would entirely derail the art community.

Not really AI art has existed not in scratch the art community on the internet is fine. People make art because they want to, sure an AI can do that but that doesn't stop them. But still play chess despite an AI being good at chess.

But, an AI made by Scratch themselves would open it up even more to the community. And even if there was a button saying “Used AI for some art”. People could just copy and paste the art, and the AI thing wouldn't appear.

DangerPuppy10 wrote:

But, an AI made by Scratch themselves would open it up even more to the community. And even if there was a button saying “Used AI for some art”. People could just copy and paste the art, and the AI thing wouldn't appear.

People make art for fun just because an AI exists doesn't mean they'll stop. There are humans that make better songs then me do I stop because of that? No, same thing here. Also people still play chess despite AI.