Net Neutrality? Article 13? What happens to Scratch?

LegoManiac04

So I know that there is a lot of talk about this, and a few topics already, but quite frankly, I'm VERY worried…

So recently I learned about the existence of Article 13. From how I understand this, people on social media sites will not be able to use copyrighted material, unless they are given permission from the owner. (Tell me if I'm right/wrong)
People have been saying it could cause Scratch to… end…

Next, I've seen topics that if Net Neutrality was to end, that Scratch could end!

I'm a kid, so honestly don't really understand this, but when I hear the words “Scratch” and “end” together in one sentence, I get quite worried… I ♥LOVE♥ Scratch, and would hate for some silly things to destroy it…

I know you may say that Net Neutrality “won't end”, or Article 13 “won't get passed”, but honestly, you never know…

Sooooooo, what would most likely happen if Net Neutrality ended, or Article 13 was passed? (I live in the US, so would 13 effect me differently?)
If Scratch continued to exist, how would projects and studios be affected? Would they be affected?

Last edited by LegoManiac04 (Nov. 28, 2018 06:43:54)

dude341

As far as I'm aware, Article 13 shouldn't affect Scratch anyway. Not sure though.

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--_Nova_--

Net Neutrality isn't an issue anymore (as far as I know)

Most copyright holders haven't found Scratch yet so we'd be good for a long while, but Scratch worldwide would have to update their terms to comply with Article 13 since they host servers there. If there were any projects that used content by a copyright holder and they didn't like it, that project would be pac-man'd (from what i understand)

dude341

--_Nova_-- wrote:
Net Neutrality isn't an issue anymore (as far as I know)

Most copyright holders haven't found Scratch yet so we'd be good for a long while, but Scratch worldwide would have to update their terms to comply with Article 13 since they host servers there. If there were any projects that used content by a copyright holder and they didn't like it, that project would be pac-man'd (from what i understand)

I don't think Scratch host servers in the EU.

Anyway, shouldn't Scratch be protected because it's an educational site?

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LegoManiac04

dude341 wrote:
--_Nova_-- wrote:
Net Neutrality isn't an issue anymore (as far as I know)

Most copyright holders haven't found Scratch yet so we'd be good for a long while, but Scratch worldwide would have to update their terms to comply with Article 13 since they host servers there. If there were any projects that used content by a copyright holder and they didn't like it, that project would be pac-man'd (from what i understand)
I don't think Scratch host servers in the EU.

Anyway, shouldn't Scratch be protected because it's an educational site?

Their servers are in the US, but Scratch is available and used in the EU.

dude341

LegoManiac04 wrote:
dude341 wrote:
--_Nova_-- wrote:
Net Neutrality isn't an issue anymore (as far as I know)

Most copyright holders haven't found Scratch yet so we'd be good for a long while, but Scratch worldwide would have to update their terms to comply with Article 13 since they host servers there. If there were any projects that used content by a copyright holder and they didn't like it, that project would be pac-man'd (from what i understand)
I don't think Scratch host servers in the EU.

Anyway, shouldn't Scratch be protected because it's an educational site?

Their servers are in the US, but Scratch is available and used in the EU.

I never said it wasn't.
Please read my post again.

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LegoManiac04

@thisandagain* has some new news:

maskedmaruder wrote:
Hi @thisandagain. Will Article 13 affect Scratch in anyway?
thisandagain* wrote:
We are still studying the law with our legal team, but it could impact Scratch (particularly Scratch users in Europe).

jakel181 wrote:
Oh. So scratch is responsible for what we upload.
thisandagain wrote:
Yeah. Article 13 would cause a lot of trouble for pretty much any service that has user generated content (including Scratch). We are still studying the proposed law, but it certainly doesn't seem well advised at first glance.

LegoManiac04

Mr-Dave wrote:
There are so many questions. I’m wondering how this will affect the Scratch Remix policy. Say that a certain scratcher adds her cute bunny drawing from a project featured in 2015 to the database of copyrighted works. Once the Scratch Team is made to implement contentID scanning then that software will automatically prohibit anyone from using that drawing in their projects even if it was shared under a CC license in 2015.
thisandagain* wrote:
Exactly. It's a real head scratcher at this point. I likely won't have any answers for a while as we still need to shift through all these details with the lawyers.
Mr-Dave wrote:
But, there may be no point in worrying about this or speculating about what will happen until the politicians and the lawyers have made more progress. It looks like MIT has a set of lawyers that have been dealing with fair use copyright issues for many years and it’s probably wise to do nothing and let them do their jobs. ( unless one has some investment money to speculate on companies that make contentID detection systems.)
thisandagain* wrote:
Yup. Exactly. We are sitting tight for now and just having conversation with the lawyers, but for the most part it is a waiting game right now.

LegoManiac04

This video helps a lot! It's very well explained.

#SaveYourInternet

--_Nova_--

dude341 wrote:
--_Nova_-- wrote:
Net Neutrality isn't an issue anymore (as far as I know)

Most copyright holders haven't found Scratch yet so we'd be good for a long while, but Scratch worldwide would have to update their terms to comply with Article 13 since they host servers there. If there were any projects that used content by a copyright holder and they didn't like it, that project would be pac-man'd (from what i understand)
I don't think Scratch host servers in the EU.

Anyway, shouldn't Scratch be protected because it's an educational site?

Ah sorry my mistake

dude341

--_Nova_-- wrote:
dude341 wrote:
--_Nova_-- wrote:
Net Neutrality isn't an issue anymore (as far as I know)

Most copyright holders haven't found Scratch yet so we'd be good for a long while, but Scratch worldwide would have to update their terms to comply with Article 13 since they host servers there. If there were any projects that used content by a copyright holder and they didn't like it, that project would be pac-man'd (from what i understand)
I don't think Scratch host servers in the EU.

Anyway, shouldn't Scratch be protected because it's an educational site?

Ah sorry my mistake

They used to at one point (there used to be an EU European site, which was a mirror of the normal site for faster access in the EU Europe) but it closed down because it was very glitchy
EDIT: Forgot EU =/= Europe

Last edited by dude341 (Nov. 30, 2018 22:35:31)

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venyanwarrior

dude341 wrote:
--_Nova_-- wrote:
Net Neutrality isn't an issue anymore (as far as I know)

Most copyright holders haven't found Scratch yet so we'd be good for a long while, but Scratch worldwide would have to update their terms to comply with Article 13 since they host servers there. If there were any projects that used content by a copyright holder and they didn't like it, that project would be pac-man'd (from what i understand)
I don't think Scratch host servers in the EU.

Anyway, shouldn't Scratch be protected because it's an educational site?

Yeah, it should. I don't know the exact wording in article 13, but one of the basic ideas is that copyrighted material is allowed for ‘Educational Purposes’, so scratch should be fine.

If you're seeing this signature, that means I've come out of my social anxiety hole.

Also, I edit the Scratch Wiki. Check it out sometime it's cool I guess.

LegoManiac04

venyanwarrior wrote:
dude341 wrote:
--_Nova_-- wrote:
Net Neutrality isn't an issue anymore (as far as I know)

Most copyright holders haven't found Scratch yet so we'd be good for a long while, but Scratch worldwide would have to update their terms to comply with Article 13 since they host servers there. If there were any projects that used content by a copyright holder and they didn't like it, that project would be pac-man'd (from what i understand)
I don't think Scratch host servers in the EU.

Anyway, shouldn't Scratch be protected because it's an educational site?
Yeah, it should. I don't know the exact wording in article 13, but one of the basic ideas is that copyrighted material is allowed for ‘Educational Purposes’, so scratch should be fine.

Yeah, no worries Nintendo! We're just going to make a Mario Bros. for educational purposes!

LegoManiac04

--_Nova_-- wrote:
Net Neutrality isn't an issue anymore (as far as I know)

Most copyright holders haven't found Scratch yet so we'd be good for a long while, but Scratch worldwide would have to update their terms to comply with Article 13 since they host servers there. If there were any projects that used content by a copyright holder and they didn't like it, that project would be pac-man'd (from what i understand)

Unfortunately, how I understand it, the project won't get “pac-man'd”, Scratch will.
How it is right now, Scratch itself is protected through Fair Use and Safe Harbor. What they do is if a company decides that someone infringed something in a project, Scratch essentially can “shield” a copyright strike, and will simply have to take the problem project down. With Article 13, Scratch ITSELF would be in trouble for a user infringing something.

--_Nova_--

LegoManiac04 wrote:
--_Nova_-- wrote:
Net Neutrality isn't an issue anymore (as far as I know)

Most copyright holders haven't found Scratch yet so we'd be good for a long while, but Scratch worldwide would have to update their terms to comply with Article 13 since they host servers there. If there were any projects that used content by a copyright holder and they didn't like it, that project would be pac-man'd (from what i understand)

Unfortunately, how I understand it, the project won't get “pac-man'd”, Scratch will.
How it is right now, Scratch itself is protected through Fair Use and Safe Harbor. What they do is if a company decides that someone infringed something in a project, Scratch essentially can “shield” a copyright strike, and will simply have to take the problem project down. With Article 13, Scratch ITSELF would be in trouble for a user infringing something.

Yes, sorry, but pac-manning would be more common (and i somehow forgot to mention safe harbor being shot down)

Ryrie36

Don't worry!
Nobody likes the law, so nobody will vote for it!

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LegoManiac04

Ryrie36 wrote:
Don't worry!
Nobody likes the law, so nobody will vote for it!

Actually, it passed…

dude341

LegoManiac04 wrote:
Ryrie36 wrote:
Don't worry!
Nobody likes the law, so nobody will vote for it!
Actually, it passed…

Yes, but there's still more things it has to go through before it's approved in January.

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Ryrie36

dude341 wrote:
LegoManiac04 wrote:
Ryrie36 wrote:
Don't worry!
Nobody likes the law, so nobody will vote for it!
Actually, it passed…
Yes, but there's still more things it has to go through before it's approved in January.

So can we still stop it?
If we can, how are we going to do it?
And are we successful so far?

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LegoManiac04

Ryrie36 wrote:
dude341 wrote:
LegoManiac04 wrote:
Ryrie36 wrote:
Don't worry!
Nobody likes the law, so nobody will vote for it!
Actually, it passed…
Yes, but there's still more things it has to go through before it's approved in January.
So can we still stop it?
If we can, how are we going to do it?
And are we successful so far?

Well, as kids, we really can't do anything…

Buuuuuuuuut, we CAN spread the word!

Last edited by LegoManiac04 (Dec. 5, 2018 02:16:27)

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