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jvvg
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Epic piano concerto in D Minor

In order to mock all of the people I know who think they're really good because of the concertos they play, I decided to write three of my own piano concertos. My first one in D Minor has a complete orchestra score, but was terrible. I got bored writing my second one in E Flat Major and I only completed a two piano version, but I'm actually doing reasonably on my third one. It is in this form:
1. Allegrote - Adagio in D Minor (fractured rondo form)
2. Andante in B Flat Major (no particular form)
3. Allegrote - Adagio - Allegrote in D Minor (sort of ternary form); Largo Maestoso - Allegrote - Largo Maestoso in E Major (ternary form)
(Note, the term “Allegrote” refers to a tempo between 400 and 600 BPM)

The first movement features a tempo of up to quarter note = 400, a series of octave jumps, and a bunch of other fun tricks.
The second movement is a typical slow movement, with no real tricks.
The third movement, the grand finale, features a tempo of up to quarter note = 600, two octave note jumps, five octave chords, which then dissolves into a slow melody that is adapted from another song I have heard. Then, the fast melody returns back with its original rage, featuring a series of six octave D Minor chords. The theme then modulates into E Minor, then into E Major. The fast theme suddenly gives way to a very slow and majestic E Major theme. Later on, the fast theme is played again, but this time in E Minor and E Major rather than D Minor, and then the slow E Major theme is played again. The four note motif is played again for one final time, and the concerto comes to a close on a series of E Major chords.
The opening four note motif recurs in all three movements.

I have finished writing full orchestra scores for the first two movements, and am working on the third. I have a two piano score for the whole thing, though.

Here are the links…
Two piano score for the whole thing
Audio of the whole thing for two pianos

Movement 1 (Full orchestra)
Movement 2 (Full orchestra)

Please note that due to my tempo markings, extreme chords, and rather large note jumps, the recordings are all synthesized.

Last edited by jvvg (May 15, 2013 01:50:30)



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mythbusteranimator
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Epic piano concerto in D Minor

I wrote a piano concerto before

I've been listening to…
Ogre Battle // Queen // Queen II // Heavy Metal, Hard Rock, Progressive Metal
Orion // Metallica // Master of Puppets // Heavy Metal, Thrash Metal, Instrumental
Damage Inc. // Metallica// Master of Puppets // Thrash Metal, Heavy Metal
Snow (Hey Oh) // Red Hot Chilli Peppers // Snow (Hey Oh) // Soft Rock, Acoustic
Who Wants To Live Forever // Queen // A Kind of Magic // Power Ballad, Soft Rock
I suggest you listen to…
For a influential playlist: Damage Inc and Orion. Both of these songs are part of the album that revolutionized heavy and thrash metal forever.
generosity
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Epic piano concerto in D Minor

You've improved - but there are still some problems.
For one, you seem to have taken a liking to upping the tempo to unrealistic proportions - this may sound impressive, but really it just looks bad.
What surprised me is that the sudden transitions were, well, not surprising. They flowed very well. You change time signature often as well, but this isn't really a problem for listeners.
Another thing - your melodies are still really simple. And when they're not, they're awkward. When you used dotted quarters in the first movement, it just sounded awkward. Now, don't be disheartened, I actually liked the melodies that you set at extremely fast tempos.
I want to bring up another point here - which is related to your tempo changes; you'll have a very fast and driving section in something like 300 bpm, and then abruptly switch to adagio. That would be cool! - if your slow sections were interesting. They're just simple quarter, eighth and half note melodies! This would be used more effectively if the parts in that section were more grand. The way it is now, you'll have licks screaming down the keys at 300, then switch to 400, then it goes to a painstakingly slow piano solo that sometimes doesn't even involve the left hand. Plonk.
It seems like your priorities are out of order - you're following rondo form practically to the T but your songs sound like they're stolen from a beginner's method handbook.
So, overall:
awkwardness: still pretty high
melody: still pretty simple but you're definitely improving
structure: near perfect

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LeDerpy123
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Epic piano concerto in D Minor

What do you use? Noteflight?

My specs: Windows 8.1.2 - 3 GB RAM - Intel Core2 Quad - IE11
generosity
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Epic piano concerto in D Minor

LeDerpy123 wrote:

What do you use? Noteflight?
no, noteflight has better samples

“Take a hard look at the dollar bill and ask yourself, is this really what people are dying for?” - Lil B
jvvg
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Epic piano concerto in D Minor

generosity wrote:

You've improved - but there are still some problems.
For one, you seem to have taken a liking to upping the tempo to unrealistic proportions - this may sound impressive, but really it just looks bad.
What surprised me is that the sudden transitions were, well, not surprising. They flowed very well. You change time signature often as well, but this isn't really a problem for listeners.
Another thing - your melodies are still really simple. And when they're not, they're awkward. When you used dotted quarters in the first movement, it just sounded awkward. Now, don't be disheartened, I actually liked the melodies that you set at extremely fast tempos.
I want to bring up another point here - which is related to your tempo changes; you'll have a very fast and driving section in something like 300 bpm, and then abruptly switch to adagio. That would be cool! - if your slow sections were interesting. They're just simple quarter, eighth and half note melodies! This would be used more effectively if the parts in that section were more grand. The way it is now, you'll have licks screaming down the keys at 300, then switch to 400, then it goes to a painstakingly slow piano solo that sometimes doesn't even involve the left hand. Plonk.
It seems like your priorities are out of order - you're following rondo form practically to the T but your songs sound like they're stolen from a beginner's method handbook.
So, overall:
awkwardness: still pretty high
melody: still pretty simple but you're definitely improving
structure: near perfect
Thanks for your advice. I'm writing a fourth piano concerto in B Minor and addressing several of these issues. The structure is like this:
1. Adagio - Allegretto Non Troppo (B Minor - D Major - B Minor)
2. Adagio (G Sharp Minor - G Sharp Major)
3. Allegro Non Troppo (B Minor)
4. Allegro Vivace - Presto - Allegrote (unplayable) - Adagio (B Minor - D Major - B Minor - B Major)
In the last movement, rather than switching the tempo abruptly at the end, it will slow down gradually. I still am including the ultra fast section simply because my main goal in these concertos is simply to mock people who think they are good at piano.

I am also starting to develop more advanced melodies. The piano solos now involve both hands, the patterns are more complex than just quarter and eighth note sequences. I also am putting in more variety, and varying the themes when they recur, rather than just bringing them back verbatim.

However, in that one, the structure won't be quite as conformant. So far, it partially follows accepted forms, but I am making some modifications.

LeDerpy123 wrote:

What do you use? Noteflight?
I use MuseScore.


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jvvg
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Epic piano concerto in D Minor

generosity wrote:

LeDerpy123 wrote:

What do you use? Noteflight?
no, noteflight has better samples
What do you mean?


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Red_dino
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Epic piano concerto in D Minor

I'm envious of all people who can compose music. I can play it, but I can never make it.
generosity
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Epic piano concerto in D Minor

Red_dino wrote:

I'm envious of all people who can compose music. I can play it, but I can never make it.
it's called 'practice'

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mythbusteranimator
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Epic piano concerto in D Minor

generosity wrote:

Red_dino wrote:

I'm envious of all people who can compose music. I can play it, but I can never make it.
it's called 'practice'
also called music theory knowledge

I've been listening to…
Ogre Battle // Queen // Queen II // Heavy Metal, Hard Rock, Progressive Metal
Orion // Metallica // Master of Puppets // Heavy Metal, Thrash Metal, Instrumental
Damage Inc. // Metallica// Master of Puppets // Thrash Metal, Heavy Metal
Snow (Hey Oh) // Red Hot Chilli Peppers // Snow (Hey Oh) // Soft Rock, Acoustic
Who Wants To Live Forever // Queen // A Kind of Magic // Power Ballad, Soft Rock
I suggest you listen to…
For a influential playlist: Damage Inc and Orion. Both of these songs are part of the album that revolutionized heavy and thrash metal forever.
generosity
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Epic piano concerto in D Minor

mythbusteranimator wrote:

generosity wrote:

Red_dino wrote:

I'm envious of all people who can compose music. I can play it, but I can never make it.
it's called 'practice'
also called music theory knowledge
naw man thats for chumps
(unless you can learn from some reliable source)

“Take a hard look at the dollar bill and ask yourself, is this really what people are dying for?” - Lil B
shelter
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Epic piano concerto in D Minor

generosity wrote:

mythbusteranimator wrote:

generosity wrote:

Red_dino wrote:

I'm envious of all people who can compose music. I can play it, but I can never make it.
it's called 'practice'
also called music theory knowledge
naw man thats for chumps
(unless you can learn from some reliable source)
my knowledge of music theory is “cdefgab” and making my English teacher mad

as i lay down
Gravitation
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Epic piano concerto in D Minor

jvvg wrote:

generosity wrote:

LeDerpy123 wrote:

What do you use? Noteflight?
no, noteflight has better samples
What do you mean?
As in, instrument samples; Noteflight tends to sound better than MuseScore.

mythbusteranimator
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Epic piano concerto in D Minor

Gravitation wrote:

jvvg wrote:

generosity wrote:

LeDerpy123 wrote:

What do you use? Noteflight?
no, noteflight has better samples
What do you mean?
As in, instrument samples; Noteflight tends to sound better than MuseScore.
Also i just like it more

It's simpler for me because i don't need PDFs and whatnot

I've been listening to…
Ogre Battle // Queen // Queen II // Heavy Metal, Hard Rock, Progressive Metal
Orion // Metallica // Master of Puppets // Heavy Metal, Thrash Metal, Instrumental
Damage Inc. // Metallica// Master of Puppets // Thrash Metal, Heavy Metal
Snow (Hey Oh) // Red Hot Chilli Peppers // Snow (Hey Oh) // Soft Rock, Acoustic
Who Wants To Live Forever // Queen // A Kind of Magic // Power Ballad, Soft Rock
I suggest you listen to…
For a influential playlist: Damage Inc and Orion. Both of these songs are part of the album that revolutionized heavy and thrash metal forever.
kayybee
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Epic piano concerto in D Minor

generosity wrote:

Red_dino wrote:

I'm envious of all people who can compose music. I can play it, but I can never make it.
it's called 'practice'
Practice with a limitation of 10 songs?
generosity
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Epic piano concerto in D Minor

kayybee wrote:

generosity wrote:

Red_dino wrote:

I'm envious of all people who can compose music. I can play it, but I can never make it.
it's called 'practice'
Practice with a limitation of 10 songs?
no
1. you can separate and put multiple songs on one “track”
2. you can delete old tracks and replace them with new ones

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ifnull
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Epic piano concerto in D Minor

lol

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