Rethink account blocks/bans/suspensions.

sti_scratch

ItIsJustMyself wrote:
I am the alternative account of sti_scratch. This account will replace sti_scratch for replying to this forum thread.

That alternative account will not be used anymore. I will keep using this account from this point forth.

Last edited by sti_scratch (Sept. 30, 2018 23:18:26)

fake23-2

Oh hello.

So, I have an account that got banned, and I thought, Oh ok I can just contact scratchteam and get it fixed, so, I email them once, no response, so I wait for a while, then I attempt to try again, and what do I find? The email box is not present on my screen. My question is, why?

Last edited by fake23-2 (Oct. 10, 2018 03:15:25)

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Spectrogram

DeleteThisAcount wrote:
I agree but what about like how I hacked DeleteThisAcount would he be banned?

cuz i guessed the password

Edit: I got my account back but I really hope the hacker just spammed a bit and didn't do anything else bad.

PS: The part before the edit was not me it was the hacker

that is quite annoying but i think if you are p banned just say hacker did it.

myeducate

fake23-2 wrote:
Oh hello.

So, I have an account that got banned, and I thought, Oh ok I can just contact scratchteam and get it fixed, so, I email them once, no response, so I wait for a while, then I attempt to try again, and what do I find? The email box is not present on my screen. My question is, why?

If there is no box there it is a permanent ban.

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bidulule

FloatingMuffins wrote:
TheAdriCoolManDude wrote:
FloatingMuffins wrote:
No Support. A ban should be a ban from the entire website.
You clearly don't know how it feels like to be banned.
I haven’t been banned. It is easy to follow the community guidelines.

What about being banned because of spamming you friend profile? Even if he allows this because you like you make pranks to each others

sowut123

WolfCat67 wrote:
Support; I was banned a couple days ago and was honestly shocked at how little I was able to do. I was at least expecting to have the ability to work on unshared projects, but I was blocked from EVERYTHING. It made me feel like I had to send an appeal just because I wanted to continue working on my project. Of course, I might have appealed anyway due to how I felt the ban was unwarranted (no further details will be provided) but I wouldn't have felt as much of a need to.

If this system was put in place, may I suggest another slight change? Instead of just allowing to edit unshared projects, maybe only block the area(s) in which the user did the bannable action? For example, if I said mean comments, I'd be banned from comments, but not projects. Or maybe if I shared inappropriate projects, I'd be banned from projects (and maybe even creation) but, say, not the forums or comments. If I did another bad action during the ban period, it'd be immediately put into your “Phase 3”, regardless of the severity of the action.

I support this new idea.

Over the years, I've outgrown this website, so this is a mostly inactive account. I might come back from time to time to mess around, but don't count on it. Bye.

sti_scratch

bidulule wrote:
FloatingMuffins wrote:
TheAdriCoolManDude wrote:
FloatingMuffins wrote:
No Support. A ban should be a ban from the entire website.
You clearly don't know how it feels like to be banned.
I haven’t been banned. It is easy to follow the community guidelines.
What about being banned because of spamming you friend profile? Even if he allows this because you like you make pranks to each others

Then tell the ST that the friend allows it.

sowut123 wrote:
WolfCat67 wrote:
Support; I was banned a couple days ago and was honestly shocked at how little I was able to do. I was at least expecting to have the ability to work on unshared projects, but I was blocked from EVERYTHING. It made me feel like I had to send an appeal just because I wanted to continue working on my project. Of course, I might have appealed anyway due to how I felt the ban was unwarranted (no further details will be provided) but I wouldn't have felt as much of a need to.

If this system was put in place, may I suggest another slight change? Instead of just allowing to edit unshared projects, maybe only block the area(s) in which the user did the bannable action? For example, if I said mean comments, I'd be banned from comments, but not projects. Or maybe if I shared inappropriate projects, I'd be banned from projects (and maybe even creation) but, say, not the forums or comments. If I did another bad action during the ban period, it'd be immediately put into your “Phase 3”, regardless of the severity of the action.
I support this new idea.

It's meant to be a punishment, so the person knows never to do that. I mean, for example, there's a person that very very rarely makes projects. But this person just makes a project with a mean thing in it, knowing that when the person gets punished the person will only get blocked from projects (as I have said, this person very very rarely makes projects, so the person doesn't care).

Last edited by sti_scratch (Oct. 11, 2018 19:24:45)

ProgressiveInsurance

Support. All you get to see is the ban screen and community guidelines when you're banned.

sti_scratch

ProgressiveInsurance wrote:
Support. All you get to see is the ban screen and community guidelines when you're banned.

If all you get to see is the ban screen and the community guidelines when you're banned, then it's good, since it's meant to be a punishment so the person knows to never do that.

Last edited by sti_scratch (Nov. 6, 2018 03:17:37)

KJRYoshi07

sti_scratch wrote:
ProgressiveInsurance wrote:
Support. All you get to see is the ban screen and community guidelines when you're banned.
If all you get to see is the ban screen and the community guidelines when you're banned, then it's good, since it's meant to be a punishment so the person knows to never do that.

Well, what if you were working on an important project, and you weren't able to access it? You would be upset, wouldn't you?

moved accounts lol

StrangeMagic32

KJRYoshi07 wrote:
sti_scratch wrote:
ProgressiveInsurance wrote:
Support. All you get to see is the ban screen and community guidelines when you're banned.
If all you get to see is the ban screen and the community guidelines when you're banned, then it's good, since it's meant to be a punishment so the person knows to never do that.
Well, what if you were working on an important project, and you weren't able to access it? You would be upset, wouldn't you?

It's your fault for getting the ban though, so you should suffer through the consequences of your actions. When you sign up to make an account you agree to the Terms of Use and the Community Guidelines, and when you break them then why should you be allowed to still use the “main” services of the site? I think that sure you can view stuff, but you can't make any projects, edit any projects, or edit any info. That way you can look at your projects and what not, but not be necessarily “rewarded” for breaking the rules.

“Remember the worth of souls is great in the sight of God;”
- Doctrine and Covenants 18:10

I have since moved to @JollyWinter

sti_scratch

StrangeMagic32 wrote:
KJRYoshi07 wrote:
sti_scratch wrote:
ProgressiveInsurance wrote:
Support. All you get to see is the ban screen and community guidelines when you're banned.
If all you get to see is the ban screen and the community guidelines when you're banned, then it's good, since it's meant to be a punishment so the person knows to never do that.
Well, what if you were working on an important project, and you weren't able to access it? You would be upset, wouldn't you?
It's your fault for getting the ban though, so you should suffer through the consequences of your actions. When you sign up to make an account you agree to the Terms of Use and the Community Guidelines, and when you break them then why should you be allowed to still use the “main” services of the site? I think that sure you can view stuff, but you can't make any projects, edit any projects, or edit any info. That way you can look at your projects and what not, but not be necessarily “rewarded” for breaking the rules.

Yes, KJRYoshi07, you would get upset. Which is good, since it's meant to be a punishment so the person knows to never violate the Community Guidelines and all legal agreements that apply. Like StrangeMagic32 said, when you sign up to make an account you agree to the Terms of Use and the Community Guidelines so you deserve to be rejected use of the site because of violating them.

Last edited by sti_scratch (Nov. 7, 2018 03:41:51)

Alzter

Support.

I do stuff on computers.

KJRYoshi07

Alzter wrote:
Support.

Why do you support?

moved accounts lol

Alzter

The current ban forces you to log out just to view projects. Also, I think it'd be good if users that were banned had some text saying “Banned” next to their username or somewhere on their profile.

Last edited by Alzter (Nov. 27, 2018 05:21:55)

I do stuff on computers.

sti_scratch

Alzter wrote:
The current ban forces you to log out just to view projects. Also, I think it'd be good if users that were banned had some text saying “Banned” next to their username or somewhere on their profile.

Log out to view projects? Get that, all ye rulebreakers. It's meant to be a punishment! And about the “banned” in their profile, no. Why should other people know about that matter?

myeducate

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tnix100

BUMP

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myeducate

tnix100 wrote:
BUMP

Didn't expect that

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Computer_Fizz

Here's an idea that may be good for the OP (myeducate) to put in his thread.

I do like the idea of allowing them to have some permissions because bans should be to protect the community and not to punish the user. They should still be able to create programs and not be locked out of everything. That would be like if when you get banned the offline editor just starts uninstalling itself. That's not good, people should still be able to *program* in scratch always. But they shouldn't be able to communicate with the community because then they can start harassing. Here's what I propose:

The banned user is able to download the offline editor of Scratch
The banned user is able to download all of their projects (either individually or a ZIP folder containing them all)
The banned user may have read-only access to any page on the website, but cannot make any permanent changes (includes changing cloud variables in projects).
The first page the banned user will see will still be the banned page explaining why they were banned, which they can press an “accept” button to access the rest of the site in read-only mode. There will also be a link available somewhere handy where they can access that page again.

Don't know how i feel about allowing the user to change unshared projects though. On the one hand it won't affect the community, but on the other hand, they're banned. If they want to scratch they can save their projects locally. Although i suppose it doesn't affect me so i can't care too much.

If anyone's interested in seeing what permissions banned users have currently see @InteractiveAccount .The password is publicly available (fromtheking) and it's also banned.

By the way, bans need to stop being called blocks. That's not what a block is. I will refer to them as bans and would greatly like if the interface could call them that as well.

Last edited by Computer_Fizz (Sept. 25, 2019 20:31:01)

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