kenny2scratch wrote:

NoMod-Programming wrote:

Jonathan50 wrote:

Blaze349 wrote:

Does S 3.0 make this obsolete?

Not on devices where you can't get a fully Scratch-3.0 compatible browser.

Just asking, what are some non-scratch-3 compatible browsers?

Many versions of IE
Also, any browser with JavaScript disabled.

The main reason I think Whiskers will still be cool is I can't really see how there will be a 3.0 offline editor.
Keep going!

NoMod-Programming wrote:

-snippety snip-
Electron could be used to make an offline editor. But Whiskers development is starting again. I'm rebuilding it in NuScratch, and trying to make sure I have good performance by testing it in a VM on my Macbook Pro (2.4Ghz processor) with the execution cap set to 15%, 2 MB video memory, 128 MB of video memory, and Debian with LXDE. I'm also re-doing the UI to work with more native methods to squeak for drawing, and to decrease the size of the ScratchSkin dictionary. I'm not completely done with the UI for now, but for the most part, it's starting to look a lot like Scratch 2.0. After that, I'll implement most of the blocks, except for custom blocks (because I have to think about how I'm going to re-implement them for a bit more speed than the horrible implementation of original Whiskers). At that point, I'm going to finally work on a plugin to *at least* convert an svg to a bitmap for Whiskers to use. But from what I can tell, there is an implementation of SVG support for this version of Squeak, so I'll have to test that out. Once that is done, I'm going to implement proper WAV decoding, whether through a plugin or in Squeak (Note to self: http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~gskc/Code/AdvancedInternetServices/SoundNoiseRatio/dvi_adpcm.c).

EDIT: Current alpha link (No new blocks or anything, just the UI): Clicky!

kenny2scratch wrote:

NoMod-Programming wrote:

-snippety snip-
Electron could be used to make an offline editor. But Whiskers development is starting again. I'm rebuilding it in NuScratch, and trying to make sure I have good performance by testing it in a VM on my Macbook Pro (2.4Ghz processor) with the execution cap set to 15%, 2 MB video memory, 128 MB of video memory, and Debian with LXDE. I'm also re-doing the UI to work with more native methods to squeak for drawing, and to decrease the size of the ScratchSkin dictionary. I'm not completely done with the UI for now, but for the most part, it's starting to look a lot like Scratch 2.0. After that, I'll implement most of the blocks, except for custom blocks (because I have to think about how I'm going to re-implement them for a bit more speed than the horrible implementation of original Whiskers). At that point, I'm going to finally work on a plugin to *at least* convert an svg to a bitmap for Whiskers to use. But from what I can tell, there is an implementation of SVG support for this version of Squeak, so I'll have to test that out. Once that is done, I'm going to implement proper WAV decoding, whether through a plugin or in Squeak (Note to self: http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~gskc/Code/AdvancedInternetServices/SoundNoiseRatio/dvi_adpcm.c).

EDIT: Current alpha link (No new blocks or anything, just the UI): Clicky!

Sweet! If there's any way I can help, I'd be glad to…~~~~

NoMod-Programming wrote:

Electron could be used to make an offline editor. But Whiskers development is starting again. I'm rebuilding it in NuScratch, and trying to make sure I have good performance by testing it in a VM on my Macbook Pro (2.4Ghz processor) with the execution cap set to 15%, 2 MB video memory, 128 MB of video memory, and Debian with LXDE. I'm also re-doing the UI to work with more native methods to squeak for drawing, and to decrease the size of the ScratchSkin dictionary. I'm not completely done with the UI for now, but for the most part, it's starting to look a lot like Scratch 2.0. After that, I'll implement most of the blocks, except for custom blocks (because I have to think about how I'm going to re-implement them for a bit more speed than the horrible implementation of original Whiskers). At that point, I'm going to finally work on a plugin to *at least* convert an svg to a bitmap for Whiskers to use. But from what I can tell, there is an implementation of SVG support for this version of Squeak, so I'll have to test that out. Once that is done, I'm going to implement proper WAV decoding, whether through a plugin or in Squeak (Note to self: http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~gskc/Code/AdvancedInternetServices/SoundNoiseRatio/dvi_adpcm.c).

EDIT: Current alpha link (No new blocks or anything, just the UI): Clicky!

eribetra wrote:

NoMod-Programming wrote:

Electron could be used to make an offline editor. But Whiskers development is starting again. I'm rebuilding it in NuScratch, and trying to make sure I have good performance by testing it in a VM on my Macbook Pro (2.4Ghz processor) with the execution cap set to 15%, 2 MB video memory, 128 MB of video memory, and Debian with LXDE. I'm also re-doing the UI to work with more native methods to squeak for drawing, and to decrease the size of the ScratchSkin dictionary. I'm not completely done with the UI for now, but for the most part, it's starting to look a lot like Scratch 2.0. After that, I'll implement most of the blocks, except for custom blocks (because I have to think about how I'm going to re-implement them for a bit more speed than the horrible implementation of original Whiskers). At that point, I'm going to finally work on a plugin to *at least* convert an svg to a bitmap for Whiskers to use. But from what I can tell, there is an implementation of SVG support for this version of Squeak, so I'll have to test that out. Once that is done, I'm going to implement proper WAV decoding, whether through a plugin or in Squeak (Note to self: http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~gskc/Code/AdvancedInternetServices/SoundNoiseRatio/dvi_adpcm.c).

EDIT: Current alpha link (No new blocks or anything, just the UI): Clicky!

Wow! I can't beleive you actually ported the entire Scratch program to Squeak 5.0!
How did you do that?

eribetra wrote:

Also, can you pass the link to the NuScratch you're using? (it needs to be the NuScratch .image, now the Whiskers one) Because every version of NuScratch running on Squeak 5.1 shows up an error about fonts.

NoMod-Programming wrote:

eribetra wrote:

Also, can you pass the link to the NuScratch you're using? (it needs to be the NuScratch .image, now the Whiskers one) Because every version of NuScratch running on Squeak 5.1 shows up an error about fonts.

I used Monticello to install NuScratch on a fresh Squeak 5.0 image. If you want me to, I can create an image for you to use with only NuScratch on it, which would include the sources and changes file.

Jonathan50 wrote:

You could make a Squeak extension instead of porting the C to Squeak. And I do not believe the copyright is compatible with the GNU GPL anyway, because it requires 1) you don't sell it 2) “this permission notice appear in supporting documentation,” 3) “the names of Stichting Mathematisch Centrum or CWI not be used in advertising or publicity pertaining to distribution of the software without specific, written prior permission”

Also, does Squeak 5.0 raise the system requirements from whatever version of Squeak the Scratch Team forked?

eribetra wrote:

NoMod-Programming wrote:

eribetra wrote:

Also, can you pass the link to the NuScratch you're using? (it needs to be the NuScratch .image, now the Whiskers one) Because every version of NuScratch running on Squeak 5.1 shows up an error about fonts.

I used Monticello to install NuScratch on a fresh Squeak 5.0 image. If you want me to, I can create an image for you to use with only NuScratch on it, which would include the sources and changes file.

Ok! I would like that! (I will give credit to you and Tim)

If you can convert an .image file, it's even better: ericdutra.com/blockode.html

(Sorry for advertising)

Jonathan50 wrote:

OK, thanks. Do you know what Squeak version the official Scratch 1.4 VM is forked from?

I tried Whiskers using @infinitytec's link above, it works great. So what I'm wondering is, I know that the Scratch 1.4 in the Raspbian repository is NuScratch, but do Debian and Ubuntu use NuScratch too? (The Scratch 1.4 download page says to use the Scratch from the Debian/Ubuntu repositories)

I want to know because it uses Squeak 4.10.2, and while most mods (BYOB, BlocKode and probably Panther too) result in a blank, white window when I try to run them, the Whiskers image infinitytec linked above works perfectly (Is it a NuScratch based image?)

1. The official Scratch 1.4 image is based off of Squeak 2.8, but with many aspects of it removed to make for a smaller image.
   
2. Debian and Ubuntu do not use NuScratch, but the official Scratch release
   
3. The whiskers image infinitytec linked is not a NuScratch based image, and I honestly have no idea what causes either a blank white or black window on some operating systems. I know that in Whiskers, though, the change occured some time between version 20 and 21, but I don't know anything other than that.
   

Jonathan50 wrote:

Okay, thanks. So the official Scratch image is compatible with both 2.8 and 4.10, but most Scratch modifications only work 2.8, and only NuScratch images work with 5.0?

Jonathan50 wrote:

Just to confuse me even more, I can't even run my own Scratch 1.4 mod (2012), and this time I get a black screen, not a white screen!

NoMod-Programming wrote:

-snip-
Do you know any programming languages other than scratch? If so, I could use some help transcoding www.cs.columbia.edu/~gskc/Code/AdvancedInternetServices/SoundNoiseRatio/dvi_adpcm.cthis file (from my earlier post) to a language that is a bit easier for me to transcribe to Squeak. It doesn't need to be well-commented, but a couple of notes here and there would definitely help in transcribing it to squeak.
If you don't know any languages other than scratch (or are having a hard time transcribing the file to another language), then I'm always in need to beta (alpha?) testers. You can use the instructions here to install it, using the alpha link I posted earlier, and let me know of any inconsistencies you can find. If you want the all-in-one file to run Whiskers, I can provide it, but you might need to wait a few hours until I can upload it.

-NoMod(-Programming)

kenny2scratch wrote:

NoMod-Programming wrote:

-snip-
Do you know any programming languages other than scratch? If so, I could use some help transcoding www.cs.columbia.edu/~gskc/Code/AdvancedInternetServices/SoundNoiseRatio/dvi_adpcm.cthis file (from my earlier post) to a language that is a bit easier for me to transcribe to Squeak. It doesn't need to be well-commented, but a couple of notes here and there would definitely help in transcribing it to squeak.
If you don't know any languages other than scratch (or are having a hard time transcribing the file to another language), then I'm always in need to beta (alpha?) testers. You can use the instructions here to install it, using the alpha link I posted earlier, and let me know of any inconsistencies you can find. If you want the all-in-one file to run Whiskers, I can provide it, but you might need to wait a few hours until I can upload it.

-NoMod(-Programming)

Programming languages I (fully) know include Python, MSDOS (aka Windows Batch), JavaScript, and PHP. I learn bits and bobs of other languages but not enough to use them well, so treat that list as accurate. I suck at C(++/#) and Java though, so don't ask me for help with that? But I'm totally fine with the aforementioned languages.~~~~