Climbing_Ivy wrote:

Coder_Annika wrote:

LionHeart70 wrote:

Climbing_Ivy wrote:

I agree. While there are languages where the search bar is already small; the font size could be made smaller.

That's a good idea.

I think so too. I'm going to create a new thread that's discussed a little more calmly to tell the ST our opinion. Anyone want to help?

Sure. I think we need somewhere without all the flaming. :)

ZZ9PluralZAlpha wrote:

Climbing_Ivy wrote:

Coder_Annika wrote:

LionHeart70 wrote:

Climbing_Ivy wrote:

I agree. While there are languages where the search bar is already small; the font size could be made smaller.

That's a good idea.

I think so too. I'm going to create a new thread that's discussed a little more calmly to tell the ST our opinion. Anyone want to help?

Sure. I think we need somewhere without all the flaming. :)

Yes, I'll follow the thread to keep up-to-date with it's progress.

cyndaquil8 wrote:

I think the petition is really overreacting. Like, they can't force ST to do anything.
I also think that a lot of people are saying they'll never use tips, but Tips is for teaching new Scratchers. That's arguably more important than chatting on forums.

PopularTDM wrote:

cyndaquil8 wrote:

I think the petition is really overreacting. Like, they can't force ST to do anything.
I also think that a lot of people are saying they'll never use tips, but Tips is for teaching new Scratchers. That's arguably more important than chatting on forums.

I think that they ST should keep the “tips” button, because it is probably really useful for new scratchers, I just think that they should put it back, but keep the tips button.

Coder_Annika wrote:

ZZ9PluralZAlpha wrote:

Climbing_Ivy wrote:

Coder_Annika wrote:

LionHeart70 wrote:

Climbing_Ivy wrote:

I agree. While there are languages where the search bar is already small; the font size could be made smaller.

That's a good idea.

I think so too. I'm going to create a new thread that's discussed a little more calmly to tell the ST our opinion. Anyone want to help?

Sure. I think we need somewhere without all the flaming. :)

Yes, I'll follow the thread to keep up-to-date with it's progress.

I'll try to start soon.

Coder_Annika wrote:

Coder_Annika wrote:

ZZ9PluralZAlpha wrote:

Climbing_Ivy wrote:

Coder_Annika wrote:

LionHeart70 wrote:

Climbing_Ivy wrote:

I agree. While there are languages where the search bar is already small; the font size could be made smaller.

That's a good idea.

I think so too. I'm going to create a new thread that's discussed a little more calmly to tell the ST our opinion. Anyone want to help?

Sure. I think we need somewhere without all the flaming. :)

Yes, I'll follow the thread to keep up-to-date with it's progress.

I'll try to start soon.

Done! Here's the official topic Bring Back Discuss 2.0!

stickfiregames wrote:

Coder_Annika wrote:

Coder_Annika wrote:

ZZ9PluralZAlpha wrote:

Climbing_Ivy wrote:

Coder_Annika wrote:

LionHeart70 wrote:

Climbing_Ivy wrote:

I agree. While there are languages where the search bar is already small; the font size could be made smaller.

That's a good idea.

I think so too. I'm going to create a new thread that's discussed a little more calmly to tell the ST our opinion. Anyone want to help?

Sure. I think we need somewhere without all the flaming. :)

Yes, I'll follow the thread to keep up-to-date with it's progress.

I'll try to start soon.

Done! Here's the official topic Bring Back Discuss 2.0!

The flame war will just move - we might as well stay on this topic. This one does pretty good job of summing up the important points.

Paddle2See wrote:

Ihaveexpectations wrote:

<snip>
Parents and educators don't want kids to have access to online discussion sites—the having of scratch a forum already stopped many schools (like mine, for example) from using scratch.
To close this gateway, scratch eventually plans to phase out the forums—first by removing the links to the forums in the Scratch new section of the front page, then removing the link to the forums on the navbar, and eventually, probably when scratch 3.0 is fully released, the scratch forum will be either removed, or changed (for example made only for educator accounts—another feature brought over by tynker and alike, for the same reasons)

tl;dr: scratch plans to remove the forums to make the site more like tynker and code.org

Sorry to burst your conspiracy bubble - but this is not true. There is no plan to shut down the forums.

And if parents and educators are concerned about online discussion - there is a lot more of it happening here on Scratch than what happens in the forums. We have conversations happening on profiles, studios, and projects. Conversations in the forums are actually more restricted than other locations on Scratch. Why would they be interested in stopping conversation in the forums rather than elsewhere on Scratch?

Charles12310 wrote:

Paddle2See wrote:

Ihaveexpectations wrote:

<snip>
Parents and educators don't want kids to have access to online discussion sites—the having of scratch a forum already stopped many schools (like mine, for example) from using scratch.
To close this gateway, scratch eventually plans to phase out the forums—first by removing the links to the forums in the Scratch new section of the front page, then removing the link to the forums on the navbar, and eventually, probably when scratch 3.0 is fully released, the scratch forum will be either removed, or changed (for example made only for educator accounts—another feature brought over by tynker and alike, for the same reasons)

tl;dr: scratch plans to remove the forums to make the site more like tynker and code.org

Sorry to burst your conspiracy bubble - but this is not true. There is no plan to shut down the forums.

And if parents and educators are concerned about online discussion - there is a lot more of it happening here on Scratch than what happens in the forums. We have conversations happening on profiles, studios, and projects. Conversations in the forums are actually more restricted than other locations on Scratch. Why would they be interested in stopping conversation in the forums rather than elsewhere on Scratch?

Yeah. Scratch does not plan to remove Forums. It's their fault if we can't get the help we need, and also their fault if we can't offer solutions to those who need help. They know it's wrong to remove the forums.

FancyFoxy wrote:

ATTENTION: When I sleep, which will be very soon, I will wake up and not associate myself with this discussion and anything to do with #Bring_it_back. I'm only adding to the large overreaction of the crowd, and it's something I'm against myself. I'm also putting too much time into talking with others about this, when I should be working on my animation. I can say things all day, but I don't feel like it's really necessary. So bye, everyone! Have fun with your debates/wars.

-penandpaper- wrote:

FancyFoxy wrote:

ATTENTION: When I sleep, which will be very soon, I will wake up and not associate myself with this discussion and anything to do with #Bring_it_back. I'm only adding to the large overreaction of the crowd, and it's something I'm against myself. I'm also putting too much time into talking with others about this, when I should be working on my animation. I can say things all day, but I don't feel like it's really necessary. So bye, everyone! Have fun with your debates/wars.

Bye :\ Even though I support #bring_it_back I might leave this discussion soon ‘cause it’s getting pretty intense…

Nature-girl wrote:

Paddle2See wrote:

Ihaveexpectations wrote:

<snip>
Parents and educators don't want kids to have access to online discussion sites—the having of scratch a forum already stopped many schools (like mine, for example) from using scratch.
To close this gateway, scratch eventually plans to phase out the forums—first by removing the links to the forums in the Scratch new section of the front page, then removing the link to the forums on the navbar, and eventually, probably when scratch 3.0 is fully released, the scratch forum will be either removed, or changed (for example made only for educator accounts—another feature brought over by tynker and alike, for the same reasons)

tl;dr: scratch plans to remove the forums to make the site more like tynker and code.org

Sorry to burst your conspiracy bubble - but this is not true. There is no plan to shut down the forums.

And if parents and educators are concerned about online discussion - there is a lot more of it happening here on Scratch than what happens in the forums. We have conversations happening on profiles, studios, and projects. Conversations in the forums are actually more restricted than other locations on Scratch. Why would they be interested in stopping conversation in the forums rather than elsewhere on Scratch?

Yeah, forums aren't the only place to comment. If that is the problem, it would be about all of scratch, which is unreasonable

Coder_Annika wrote:

-snip-
I agree. My opinion: It is easy enough to get to them from the footer, and some users have a link to the forums on their profiles, but is easier to just click the Discuss button. The Discuss button might make the header too big in other languages, but the Scratch Team could make the search bar a little smaller or move some of the items over. It would compromise both ideas. What does everybody else think?

Coder_Annika wrote:

Coder_Annika wrote:

ZZ9PluralZAlpha wrote:

Climbing_Ivy wrote:

Coder_Annika wrote:

LionHeart70 wrote:

Climbing_Ivy wrote:

I agree. While there are languages where the search bar is already small; the font size could be made smaller.

That's a good idea.

I think so too. I'm going to create a new thread that's discussed a little more calmly to tell the ST our opinion. Anyone want to help?

Sure. I think we need somewhere without all the flaming. :)

Yes, I'll follow the thread to keep up-to-date with it's progress.

I'll try to start soon.

Done! Here's the official topic Bring Back Discuss 2.0!

muellly wrote:

Nature-girl wrote:

Paddle2See wrote:

Ihaveexpectations wrote:

<snip>
Parents and educators don't want kids to have access to online discussion sites—the having of scratch a forum already stopped many schools (like mine, for example) from using scratch.
To close this gateway, scratch eventually plans to phase out the forums—first by removing the links to the forums in the Scratch new section of the front page, then removing the link to the forums on the navbar, and eventually, probably when scratch 3.0 is fully released, the scratch forum will be either removed, or changed (for example made only for educator accounts—another feature brought over by tynker and alike, for the same reasons)

tl;dr: scratch plans to remove the forums to make the site more like tynker and code.org

Sorry to burst your conspiracy bubble - but this is not true. There is no plan to shut down the forums.

And if parents and educators are concerned about online discussion - there is a lot more of it happening here on Scratch than what happens in the forums. We have conversations happening on profiles, studios, and projects. Conversations in the forums are actually more restricted than other locations on Scratch. Why would they be interested in stopping conversation in the forums rather than elsewhere on Scratch?

Yeah, forums aren't the only place to comment. If that is the problem, it would be about all of scratch, which is unreasonable

Yes! It was just a conspiracy.

Coder_Annika wrote:

-snip-
I agree. My opinion: It is easy enough to get to them from the footer, and some users have a link to the forums on their profiles, but is easier to just click the Discuss button. The Discuss button might make the header too big in other languages, but the Scratch Team could make the search bar a little smaller or move some of the items over. It would compromise both ideas. What does everybody else think?

Isn't that what this suggestion already is? To make the search bar a little smaller to add discuss back. I even had an comprise for languages where it would be tiny in (which is in the op, I don't feel like typing it for the 5th time).

Coder_Annika wrote:

Coder_Annika wrote:

ZZ9PluralZAlpha wrote:

Climbing_Ivy wrote:

Coder_Annika wrote:

LionHeart70 wrote:

Climbing_Ivy wrote:

I agree. While there are languages where the search bar is already small; the font size could be made smaller.

That's a good idea.

I think so too. I'm going to create a new thread that's discussed a little more calmly to tell the ST our opinion. Anyone want to help?

Sure. I think we need somewhere without all the flaming. :)

Yes, I'll follow the thread to keep up-to-date with it's progress.

I'll try to start soon.

Done! Here's the official topic Bring Back Discuss 2.0!

What exactly does this accomplish? Things can just get heated again there. I also don't really see how it is needed since the op is pretty much just a quote of mine and saying to keep calm, however it won't stop people from heating up the thread.

SimpleScratch wrote:

Scratch team members saying that there are no plans to remove the forums is dis-ingenious at best

If the forums only attracts 1% of Scratchers - how will that % not rapidly diminish when it goes from a header button to a footnote on a sub-page?

The chances of new Scratchers finding it are very slim.

This must know this to be most likely to happens - it doesn't require a data scientist to predict this is most likely outcome

Lets accept that no out-right false information is being communicated to Scratchers but there have been many valid suggestions for a compromise between a front page header link and a sub-page footer link.that seemingly are being completed ignored.

Its just presented as the only way for the future.

This cannot be right - unless the current inevitable outcome is the one that is being sought

if I'm completely wrong and its just simple muck-up - everyone makes mistakes - I apologise - but I don't think it is

If it is a mistake - please take action to correct/ameliorate the effects to show us that you value our opinions as much as you did when the forums were launched.

MARIO23456 wrote:

SimpleScratch wrote:

Scratch team members saying that there are no plans to remove the forums is dis-ingenious at best

If the forums only attracts 1% of Scratchers - how will that % not rapidly diminish when it goes from a header button to a footnote on a sub-page?

The chances of new Scratchers finding it are very slim.

This must know this to be most likely to happens - it doesn't require a data scientist to predict this is most likely outcome

Lets accept that no out-right false information is being communicated to Scratchers but there have been many valid suggestions for a compromise between a front page header link and a sub-page footer link.that seemingly are being completed ignored.

Its just presented as the only way for the future.

This cannot be right - unless the current inevitable outcome is the one that is being sought

if I'm completely wrong and its just simple muck-up - everyone makes mistakes - I apologise - but I don't think it is

If it is a mistake - please take action to correct/ameliorate the effects to show us that you value our opinions as much as you did when the forums were launched.

Agreed. The ST doesn't exactly seem to care about the scratcher's opinions. There is a lot of bias in the banning system, as well as not enough Scratcher-to-ST communication. To be honest, scratch is going downhill, mainly because of false/unfair bans, but also because of stuff like this.

MClovers wrote:

I support so much I can't even put it into words