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-Rodri
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enforce or else remove/update TOU 3.7

Scratch Terms of Use wrote:

3.7 You agree not to post links to any content outside of the Scratch website, if to do so would violate any part of the Terms of Use.

I honestly had no idea this was a rule.

I see people sharing links not related to Scratch all the time. Is this just a violation that isn't enforced? The TOU hasn't been updated since 2016, is it because of that?


l'm so confused.



If this is supposed to be enforced, it should.

But if this rule holds no more significance, it should be updated, or maybe even removed (prob not)

Last edited by -Rodri (Dec. 4, 2023 22:50:54)

yadayadayadagoodbye
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enforce or else remove/update TOU 3.7

This is enforced
You are not allowed to link to websites such as roblox, (bonfire app), (bluebird app), (app with a bunch of grumpy old adults), E.T.C

“If to do so would violate any part of the Terms of Use”: “Am I a joke do you?”
-Rodri
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enforce or else remove/update TOU 3.7

yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

This is enforced
You are not allowed to link to websites such as roblox, (bonfire app), (bluebird app), (app with a bunch of grumpy old adults), E.T.C

“If to do so would violate any part of the Terms of Use”: “Am I a joke do you?”
then it should specify not to like those type of sites.

I always see links for peoples websites, YT, Duolingo, News Sites, InternetMeter, Ocular, Neal.Fun, etc
unmissable
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enforce or else remove/update TOU 3.7

I read the ToS when I first joined and I completely forgot this was a rule
I can see why it's there but even though updating it to say “no posting links to this and that website” sounds good…
1. Trolls
2. 8yo kids
Might as well use reverse psychology tbf
-Rodri
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enforce or else remove/update TOU 3.7

unmissable wrote:

I read the ToS when I first joined and I completely forgot this was a rule
I can see why it's there but even though updating it to say “no posting links to this and that website” sounds good…
1. Trolls
2. 8yo kids
Might as well use reverse psychology tbf
they could change it to something like “no posting links to websites that break our community guidelines”
yadayadayadagoodbye
Scratcher
1000+ posts

enforce or else remove/update TOU 3.7

-Rodri wrote:

unmissable wrote:

I read the ToS when I first joined and I completely forgot this was a rule
I can see why it's there but even though updating it to say “no posting links to this and that website” sounds good…
1. Trolls
2. 8yo kids
Might as well use reverse psychology tbf
they could change it to something like “no posting links to websites that break our community guidelines”
Which would involve legal loopholes: What if I post a link to a website that by itself does not break the guidelines, but by posting the link, I somehow break the guidelines? (Yes, its extremely specific, but the ToU is a legally binding document and not just as silly little “rules page” unlike the CG)
rdococ
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enforce or else remove/update TOU 3.7

The rule is enforced, but…

TOU 3.7 wrote:

You agree not to post links to any content outside of the Scratch website, if to do so would violate any part of the Terms of Use.
The way this is written is bizarre. Posting links to external content violates the TOU if it violates the TOU. That makes about as much sense as saying that it's raining if it's raining. It's true, but doesn't mean anything.

What it's probably meant to say is something like:
You agree not to post links to any content outside of the Scratch website, if the content itself would violate any part of the Terms of Use.
Which would elucidate the spirit of the rule and make a lot more sense both to the law and to kiddo eyes.
unmissable
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enforce or else remove/update TOU 3.7

-Rodri wrote:

unmissable wrote:

I read the ToS when I first joined and I completely forgot this was a rule
I can see why it's there but even though updating it to say “no posting links to this and that website” sounds good…
1. Trolls
2. 8yo kids
Might as well use reverse psychology tbf
they could change it to something like “no posting links to websites that break our community guidelines”
That does make more sense but

yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

Which would involve legal loopholes: What if I post a link to a website that by itself does not break the guidelines, but by posting the link, I somehow break the guidelines? (Yes, its extremely specific, but the ToU is a legally binding document and not just as silly little “rules page” unlike the CG)
Yeah I'm confused now
undeterminstic
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enforce or else remove/update TOU 3.7

Scratch Terms of Use wrote:

3.7 You agree not to post links to any content outside of the Scratch website, if to do so would violate any part of the Terms of Use.
that is like saying you can't post links because you'd be violating 3.7 of TOU
yadayadayadagoodbye
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enforce or else remove/update TOU 3.7

rdococ wrote:

The rule is enforced, but…

TOU 3.7 wrote:

You agree not to post links to any content outside of the Scratch website, if to do so would violate any part of the Terms of Use.
The way this is written is bizarre. Posting links to external content violates the TOU if it violates the TOU. That makes about as much sense as saying that it's raining if it's raining. It's true, but doesn't mean anything.

What it's probably meant to say is something like:
You agree not to post links to any content outside of the Scratch website, if the content itself would violate any part of the Terms of Use.
Which would elucidate the spirit of the rule and make a lot more sense both to the law and to kiddo eyes.
not exactly, that introduces the loophole of posting content which, by itself, abides to the ToU, but when posted in any specific way, violates the ToU

maybe “You agree not to post links to any content outside of the Scratch website, if by posting the content you would in any way violate the Terms of Use”
Za-Chary
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enforce or else remove/update TOU 3.7

rdococ wrote:

The rule is enforced, but…

TOU 3.7 wrote:

You agree not to post links to any content outside of the Scratch website, if to do so would violate any part of the Terms of Use.
The way this is written is bizarre. Posting links to external content violates the TOU if it violates the TOU. That makes about as much sense as saying that it's raining if it's raining. It's true, but doesn't mean anything.
That's not what it's saying. Another way to say it is: “If a certain link violates any part of the Terms of Use, then you agree not to post such a link.” So outside links are allowed, unless that link violates the Terms of Use. As such, this is already enforced. EDIT: Partially misunderstood the meaning of the post.

I don't think the way it's worded is “trivial” in any sense. It's not as simple as “Posting links violates the Terms of Use if it violates the Terms of Use.” It is saying “Posting links violates the Terms of Use if the links which you post violate the Terms of Use.” That's a little more subtle.

No loopholes here. Commonly-misunderstood wording, yes — but the wording correctly conveys the rule.

Last edited by Za-Chary (Dec. 5, 2023 00:21:25)

ajskateboarder
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enforce or else remove/update TOU 3.7

-Rodri wrote:

Scratch Terms of Use wrote:

3.7 You agree not to post links to any content outside of the Scratch website, if to do so would violate any part of the Terms of Use.

I honestly had no idea this was a rule.

I see people sharing links not related to Scratch all the time. Is this just a violation that isn't enforced? The TOU hasn't been updated since 2016, is it because of that?
This rule basically says what it does already

In simpler terms: “do not post links to content outside of Scratch that would violate any aforementioned clauses in Section 3”

I agree with you though, this is weirdly written, but it would be a rather lengthy process to update this statement

Last edited by ajskateboarder (Dec. 5, 2023 00:34:40)

TheEpikGamer211
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enforce or else remove/update TOU 3.7

+1 for enforce
I remember someone begging me to use Temu (Bad place) for a follow
didnt fall for it.

Last edited by TheEpikGamer211 (Dec. 5, 2023 00:39:10)

R188fan
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enforce or else remove/update TOU 3.7

This is already enforced. (Please close)

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