Censor the words support/no support on the forums if there are no other thingies

Queer_Royalty

Basically, if someone just posted “support” or even “no support,” without anything else in the post, then the filters would not post it and would instead show a pop-up about being constructive. The filter would ignore the BBCode in the context, so one couldn't get around it by doing su(BBCode)port. This would help stop potential spammers a little…but the main goal would still be to help Scratchers who have never used the forums.

Pros
-will help to stop unconsructive posts

Cons
-might be hard to implement
-could be workarounded easily.*

Solutions
*It might not be able to stop intentional spamming, but what about users who are just new to the forums?

I'm not even really sure I like this suggestion. I mostly made it to invoke discussion lol.

Last edited by Queer_Royalty (June 27, 2021 15:40:16)

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Za-Chary

I would think there would be confusion among those who are trying to suggest something with “support” in the title of their suggestion, like “Scratch should support Internet Explorer.”

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mtech22

I thought support posts are allowed but simply discouraged? and this would cause some problems as you said if someone was asking for support for a certain feature or character. support/no support posts are harmless anyways.

and, does the ST even update the forum filter?

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what. no offense, but Support\ No support is to show if you support the post or not. /nm

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dhuls

Semi-support. It should only censor if that's the only part of the post (including BBCode).
A major problem with the forum filter is that you can put useless BBCode to get around the filters. Example:

no[/quote] support

And the result is: no support
And the filters wouldn't care because there's BBCode.

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DarthVader4Life

Yes, Support/No Support are used unconstructively sometimes, there's no denying that. However, it's not often enough that I would want Support and No Support to be outright censored. As the censor would likely mess with people more than an annoying, simple post.1 Therefore, I believe that this suggestion would not help nearly as much as it would hinder.

1: https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/524407/?page=1#post-5377007

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ColourfulPixels

Almost all of constructive posts on the suggestions forums start with “Support” or “No support”. It's a simple way for a user to state their position.

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Queer_Royalty

dhuls wrote:
Semi-support. It should only censor if that's the only part of the post (including BBCode).
A major problem with the forum filter is that you can put useless BBCode to get around the filters. Example:
no[/quote] support
And the result is: no

support
And the filters wouldn't care because there's BBCode.

That's a good idea. It should also not count empty space around the support/no support. I'll add it to the OP. Akkkk the quote tag messed the actual quote up lol.

Last edited by Queer_Royalty (June 27, 2021 15:35:23)

i would like to sincerely apologize for the above post.

i am stupid, weird, worthless, and in general a bad person but at least i am decent at platformers.

dertermenter

ColourfulPixels wrote:
Almost all of constructive posts on the suggestions forums start with “Support” or “No support”. It's a simple way for a user to state their position.

I think it’s the other way. People think putting support and a small reason makes there post valid. Actually expressing yourself without these words is far more constructive and leads to better conversations.
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I would love to see the support convention be banned, but not in this way as sometimes need words can have different context which isn’t about the convention. But this makes unconstructive posts as everyone just put short reasons, normally stating the obvious, which is just as constructive as just saying support.

Za-Chary did say that he’s not a fan but probably not something the ST would enforce, so this sadly probably won’t happen.

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Chiroyce

No Support. We have the right to say anything that doesn't break the CGs or ToU. You can say it if you want, or not depending on your opinion. If others aren't being constructive, you can be constructive! So I don't think there is going to an improvement to the suggestions forum due to this suggestion …

Za-Chary wrote:
I would think there would be confusion among those who are trying to suggest something with “support” in the title of their suggestion, like “Scratch should support Internet Explorer.”

Exactly, so this suggestion is basically about censoring a basic English word?

Last edited by Chiroyce (June 27, 2021 16:26:06)

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Queer_Royalty

Chiroyce wrote:
No Support. We have the right to say anything that doesn't break the CGs or ToU. You can say it if you want, or not depending on your opinion. If others aren't being constructive, you can be constructive! So I don't think there is going to an improvement to the suggestions forum due to this suggestion …

Yes, you have the right to say something, but if it's not constructive and you don't know that it's not constructive, this might be helpful. Maybe, to avoid people getting annoyed about free speech, it would only show once? Although,

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it would have to be phrased in a non-TOUs kind of way.

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Chiroyce

Queer_Royalty wrote:
it would have to be phrased in a non-TOUs kind of way.

Yep, we already know what happened with remixing and ToU a few weeks ago . . .

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fdreerf

Censoring a pretty harmless thing that mini-mods love to make a big deal out of would do more harm than good. So what if someone doesn't painstakingly remember every custom these foreign forums have, it doesn't actively harm the community.

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Mrcakeyman89

Semi-Support. The ST could probabbly find ways to do this, but it might be hard. Even if they got it perfect, it's not bad for them to just say “support” and “no support” It's just not constructive. At all. xD

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Mrcakeyman89 wrote:
Semi-Support. The ST could probabbly find ways to do this, but it might be hard. Even if they got it perfect, it's not bad for them to just say “support” and “no support” It's just not constructive. At all. xD

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Actually… wouldn't we be able to report posts that just have “support” or “no support”?

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linearlemur

dhuls wrote:
Semi-support. It should only censor if that's the only part of the post (including BBCode).
A major problem with the forum filter is that you can put useless BBCode to get around the filters. Example:
no[/quote] support
And the result is: no

support
And the filters wouldn't care because there's BBCode.

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No support, as Za-Chary said, it'd be confusing for support/no support used in titles. And can't we just report the posts?

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EatNYeet

Za-Chary wrote:
I would think there would be confusion among those who are trying to suggest something with “support” in the title of their suggestion, like “Scratch should support Internet Explorer.”

Yes, I'm sure someone is going to name their topic “No support” by itself.

Why is this a thing?

dhuls

EatNYeet wrote:
Za-Chary wrote:
I would think there would be confusion among those who are trying to suggest something with “support” in the title of their suggestion, like “Scratch should support Internet Explorer.”
Yes, I'm sure someone is going to name their topic “No support” by itself.

The OP updated between the time of your post and @Za-Chary's post to be more specific.

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Wait, most people are saying stuff about not being able to say support/no support at all. But my understanding of the OP is that he's suggesting not letting someone say just support/no support. So you can still say the words as long as there are other words in the post. Am I understanding this correctly?

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