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IGABMS
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Scratchedia - The Internet on Scratch, that's safe (Applications Closed)

xMysticalCoder wrote:

IGABMS wrote:

IGABMS wrote:

Why are we hosting this on another site?

You guys do realize we're like 100x more likely to accidentially DDOS our networks on accident.
*if we host it on our own devices.

Guys- has anybody else been having issues with getting notified of new posts?
Scratch is always like that. Most of the time i get notifs after a page has passed, but if your lucky you can instantly get a notif. I don't know if there is a specific rule of when you get the notif, or if its random.
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101Corp
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Scratchedia - The Internet on Scratch, that's safe (Applications Closed)

  • Yes
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Last edited by 101Corp (May 16, 2021 16:08:37)


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Scratchedia - The Internet on Scratch, that's safe (Applications Closed)

I am not going to join the collab, but here is an idea that I have tested and I know works in scratch 3:

If you have an extra computer lying around (A cheap raspberry pi 4 2GB will do), you can have it run the project continually in a “server mode”. A project in “client mode” send events over the cloud variables, and the server responds with data, possibly in steps. More after lunch

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A more detailed explanation:

There are four cloud variables: server_data, server_response?, client_data, and client_response?. When the server sends data, it sets server_data to the data it is sending. It also sets server_response? to 1. Meanwhile, the client (the people that are online) is constantly scanning for when server_response? equals 1. When it becomes 1, the client stores the data somewhere and sets server_response? to 0 so that it doesn't read the data multiple times. When the client sends data, the same thing happens, except it uses client_data and client_response?, and the server sets client_response? to 0 after reading the data in client_data.

Presumably, the server uses a list to store data like websites. The downsides are that there can only be 200,000 websites (Unless you are running it in turbowarp), that every website is lost when the server loses power, and that there is a limited amount of memory availible for websites (~1GB if using a Raspberry Pi 4 2GB).

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kkidslogin
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Scratchedia - The Internet on Scratch, that's safe (Applications Closed)

*And live stuff gets even laggier.

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xouzouris
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Scratchedia - The Internet on Scratch, that's safe (Applications Closed)

IGABMS wrote:

IGABMS wrote:

Why are we hosting this on another site?

You guys do realize we're like 100x more likely to accidentially DDOS our networks on accident.
*if we host it on our own devices.

Guys- has anybody else been having issues with getting notified of new posts?
Yes, scratch rarely notifies me of new posts, I have to check manually. I thought it was a feature, like when there are a lot of new posts in a forum it doesn't notify you because it might be annoying.

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xouzouris
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kkidslogin wrote:

A more detailed explanation:

There are four cloud variables: server_data, server_response?, client_data, and client_response?. When the server sends data, it sets server_data to the data it is sending. It also sets server_response? to 1. Meanwhile, the client (the people that are online) is constantly scanning for when server_response? equals 1. When it becomes 1, the client stores the data somewhere and sets server_response? to 0 so that it doesn't read the data multiple times. When the client sends data, the same thing happens, except it uses client_data and client_response?, and the server sets client_response? to 0 after reading the data in client_data.

Presumably, the server uses a list to store data like websites. The downsides are that there can only be 200,000 websites (Unless you are running it in turbowarp), that every website is lost when the server loses power, and that there is a limited amount of memory availible for websites (~1GB if using a Raspberry Pi 4 2GB).
First of all, I THOUGHT OF THE EXACT SAME THING O_O Second, I do have a raspberry pi.

>> Head of Scratchedia <<

Scratchedia is the recreation of the
internet, on Scratch, that's safe!

Random Stuff:
My little cousin asked me why we can't make and run a nuclear reactor at home…

Don't forget to keep on Scratchin'
kkidslogin
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Scratchedia - The Internet on Scratch, that's safe (Applications Closed)

xouzouris wrote:

kkidslogin wrote:

A more detailed explanation:

There are four cloud variables: server_data, server_response?, client_data, and client_response?. When the server sends data, it sets server_data to the data it is sending. It also sets server_response? to 1. Meanwhile, the client (the people that are online) is constantly scanning for when server_response? equals 1. When it becomes 1, the client stores the data somewhere and sets server_response? to 0 so that it doesn't read the data multiple times. When the client sends data, the same thing happens, except it uses client_data and client_response?, and the server sets client_response? to 0 after reading the data in client_data.

Presumably, the server uses a list to store data like websites. The downsides are that there can only be 200,000 websites (Unless you are running it in turbowarp), that every website is lost when the server loses power, and that there is a limited amount of memory availible for websites (~1GB if using a Raspberry Pi 4 2GB).
First of all, I THOUGHT OF THE EXACT SAME THING O_O Second, I do have a raspberry pi.
Ha! That's funny! I also have an add-on to this idea: if you don't want Chromium running 24/7, you can package a standalone offline package using Turbowarp Packager, and have cloud variables set to “Turbowarp's Online Server”. And perhaps pester
-GarboMuffin- about adding cloud variables and locally stored variables to TurboWarp Desktop.

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IGABMS
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Scratchedia - The Internet on Scratch, that's safe (Applications Closed)

kkidslogin wrote:

xouzouris wrote:

kkidslogin wrote:

A more detailed explanation:

There are four cloud variables: server_data, server_response?, client_data, and client_response?. When the server sends data, it sets server_data to the data it is sending. It also sets server_response? to 1. Meanwhile, the client (the people that are online) is constantly scanning for when server_response? equals 1. When it becomes 1, the client stores the data somewhere and sets server_response? to 0 so that it doesn't read the data multiple times. When the client sends data, the same thing happens, except it uses client_data and client_response?, and the server sets client_response? to 0 after reading the data in client_data.

Presumably, the server uses a list to store data like websites. The downsides are that there can only be 200,000 websites (Unless you are running it in turbowarp), that every website is lost when the server loses power, and that there is a limited amount of memory availible for websites (~1GB if using a Raspberry Pi 4 2GB).
First of all, I THOUGHT OF THE EXACT SAME THING O_O Second, I do have a raspberry pi.
Ha! That's funny! I also have an add-on to this idea: if you don't want Chromium running 24/7, you can package a standalone offline package using Turbowarp Packager, and have cloud variables set to “Turbowarp's Online Server”. And perhaps pester
-GarboMuffin- about adding cloud variables and locally stored variables to TurboWarp Desktop.
Hmmm. Interesting ideas!

However, I believe that Scratchedia should be de-centralized, hence not running on a rasberry pi.

I'm good for whatver.

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You can use it with credit.
IGABMS
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kkidslogin wrote:

xouzouris wrote:

kkidslogin wrote:

A more detailed explanation:

There are four cloud variables: server_data, server_response?, client_data, and client_response?. When the server sends data, it sets server_data to the data it is sending. It also sets server_response? to 1. Meanwhile, the client (the people that are online) is constantly scanning for when server_response? equals 1. When it becomes 1, the client stores the data somewhere and sets server_response? to 0 so that it doesn't read the data multiple times. When the client sends data, the same thing happens, except it uses client_data and client_response?, and the server sets client_response? to 0 after reading the data in client_data.

Presumably, the server uses a list to store data like websites. The downsides are that there can only be 200,000 websites (Unless you are running it in turbowarp), that every website is lost when the server loses power, and that there is a limited amount of memory availible for websites (~1GB if using a Raspberry Pi 4 2GB).
First of all, I THOUGHT OF THE EXACT SAME THING O_O Second, I do have a raspberry pi.
Ha! That's funny! I also have an add-on to this idea: if you don't want Chromium running 24/7, you can package a standalone offline package using Turbowarp Packager, and have cloud variables set to “Turbowarp's Online Server”. And perhaps pester
-GarboMuffin- about adding cloud variables and locally stored variables to TurboWarp Desktop.
This is what I've been saying, except without another central computer.

This could be accomplished by having a data transfer variable and a request address
and the client is always checking for a request to its address and then sets the data transfer variable to the content.

Founder of Funkin' Files and IParseQuick!

Demo it Today!


What is IParse Quick?
IParseQuick is a multi-parameter, ultra-fast parser, capable of handling almost unlimited values! Inspired by @Ancoders “Parser” (https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/558428881/).

You can use it with credit.
xouzouris
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Scratchedia - The Internet on Scratch, that's safe (Applications Closed)

Ok, I have a Raspberry Pi if we need it.

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Scratchedia is the recreation of the
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kkidslogin
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Scratchedia - The Internet on Scratch, that's safe (Applications Closed)

IGABMS wrote:

kkidslogin wrote:

xouzouris wrote:

kkidslogin wrote:

A more detailed explanation:

There are four cloud variables: server_data, server_response?, client_data, and client_response?. When the server sends data, it sets server_data to the data it is sending. It also sets server_response? to 1. Meanwhile, the client (the people that are online) is constantly scanning for when server_response? equals 1. When it becomes 1, the client stores the data somewhere and sets server_response? to 0 so that it doesn't read the data multiple times. When the client sends data, the same thing happens, except it uses client_data and client_response?, and the server sets client_response? to 0 after reading the data in client_data.

Presumably, the server uses a list to store data like websites. The downsides are that there can only be 200,000 websites (Unless you are running it in turbowarp), that every website is lost when the server loses power, and that there is a limited amount of memory availible for websites (~1GB if using a Raspberry Pi 4 2GB).
First of all, I THOUGHT OF THE EXACT SAME THING O_O Second, I do have a raspberry pi.
Ha! That's funny! I also have an add-on to this idea: if you don't want Chromium running 24/7, you can package a standalone offline package using Turbowarp Packager, and have cloud variables set to “Turbowarp's Online Server”. And perhaps pester
-GarboMuffin- about adding cloud variables and locally stored variables to TurboWarp Desktop.
This is what I've been saying, except without another central computer.

This could be accomplished by having a data transfer variable and a request address
and the client is always checking for a request to its address and then sets the data transfer variable to the content.

Hmmm……….. Having the client host the website could be sketchy… When the client leaves the project or even his computer falls asleep, the website would be lost forever. So really, the client would need a raspberry pi running server mode as well, and preferably a separate account to run the server.

I forgot to quote your post so I had to do it manually

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Don't tell me I have to scrap the website…

Edit: Also the problem with that is if the ISP (Internet Service Provider) went down, the “server” has a blackout, the internet box needs a reset, or the internet starts having problem on the server, its screwed. Hey, even if the “server” breaks, its all screwed.

Last edited by GAMS2 (May 17, 2021 15:44:09)


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kkidslogin wrote:

IGABMS wrote:

kkidslogin wrote:

xouzouris wrote:

kkidslogin wrote:

A more detailed explanation:

There are four cloud variables: server_data, server_response?, client_data, and client_response?. When the server sends data, it sets server_data to the data it is sending. It also sets server_response? to 1. Meanwhile, the client (the people that are online) is constantly scanning for when server_response? equals 1. When it becomes 1, the client stores the data somewhere and sets server_response? to 0 so that it doesn't read the data multiple times. When the client sends data, the same thing happens, except it uses client_data and client_response?, and the server sets client_response? to 0 after reading the data in client_data.

Presumably, the server uses a list to store data like websites. The downsides are that there can only be 200,000 websites (Unless you are running it in turbowarp), that every website is lost when the server loses power, and that there is a limited amount of memory availible for websites (~1GB if using a Raspberry Pi 4 2GB).
First of all, I THOUGHT OF THE EXACT SAME THING O_O Second, I do have a raspberry pi.
Ha! That's funny! I also have an add-on to this idea: if you don't want Chromium running 24/7, you can package a standalone offline package using Turbowarp Packager, and have cloud variables set to “Turbowarp's Online Server”. And perhaps pester
-GarboMuffin- about adding cloud variables and locally stored variables to TurboWarp Desktop.
This is what I've been saying, except without another central computer.

This could be accomplished by having a data transfer variable and a request address
and the client is always checking for a request to its address and then sets the data transfer variable to the content.

Hmmm……….. Having the client host the website could be sketchy… When the client leaves the project or even his computer falls asleep, the website would be lost forever. So really, the client would need a raspberry pi running server mode as well, and preferably a separate account to run the server.

I forgot to quote your post so I had to do it manually
Wow! THat's a lot of work to quote it manually!

I believe that if we want it to be accessible, people shouldn't need a rasberry pi. This should also be easily copy-able (with credit, of course)

It's up to people to store it. Whenever someone leaves, it just frees up more space for other people and lessens the load Scratch has to deal with. My vote is that if you leave, your website is cleared.

And guys-quick reminder: this is the INTERNET IN SCRATCH- NOT the internet partially rooted in Scratch but also runs on a Node.js server and requires each user to have a $15 rasberry pu.


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Demo it Today!


What is IParse Quick?
IParseQuick is a multi-parameter, ultra-fast parser, capable of handling almost unlimited values! Inspired by @Ancoders “Parser” (https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/558428881/).

You can use it with credit.
IGABMS
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IGABMS wrote:

kkidslogin wrote:

IGABMS wrote:

kkidslogin wrote:

xouzouris wrote:

kkidslogin wrote:

A more detailed explanation:

There are four cloud variables: server_data, server_response?, client_data, and client_response?. When the server sends data, it sets server_data to the data it is sending. It also sets server_response? to 1. Meanwhile, the client (the people that are online) is constantly scanning for when server_response? equals 1. When it becomes 1, the client stores the data somewhere and sets server_response? to 0 so that it doesn't read the data multiple times. When the client sends data, the same thing happens, except it uses client_data and client_response?, and the server sets client_response? to 0 after reading the data in client_data.

Presumably, the server uses a list to store data like websites. The downsides are that there can only be 200,000 websites (Unless you are running it in turbowarp), that every website is lost when the server loses power, and that there is a limited amount of memory availible for websites (~1GB if using a Raspberry Pi 4 2GB).
First of all, I THOUGHT OF THE EXACT SAME THING O_O Second, I do have a raspberry pi.
Ha! That's funny! I also have an add-on to this idea: if you don't want Chromium running 24/7, you can package a standalone offline package using Turbowarp Packager, and have cloud variables set to “Turbowarp's Online Server”. And perhaps pester
-GarboMuffin- about adding cloud variables and locally stored variables to TurboWarp Desktop.
This is what I've been saying, except without another central computer.

This could be accomplished by having a data transfer variable and a request address
and the client is always checking for a request to its address and then sets the data transfer variable to the content.

Hmmm……….. Having the client host the website could be sketchy… When the client leaves the project or even his computer falls asleep, the website would be lost forever. So really, the client would need a raspberry pi running server mode as well, and preferably a separate account to run the server.

I forgot to quote your post so I had to do it manually
Wow! THat's a lot of work to quote it manually!

I believe that if we want it to be accessible, people shouldn't need a rasberry pi. This should also be easily copy-able (with credit, of course)

It's up to people to store it. Whenever someone leaves, it just frees up more space for other people and lessens the load Scratch has to deal with. My vote is that if you leave, your website is cleared.

And guys-quick reminder: this is the INTERNET IN SCRATCH- NOT the internet partially rooted in Scratch but also runs on a Node.js server and requires each user to have a $15 rasberry pu.

You know what, why don't we just write this in Python and make this peer-to-peer with 256-bit asymmetric encryption and a remote data backup in 5 remote countries and have 3 more backups in a safety deposit box in a fortress?

This doesn't have to be so complex!

I have repeatedly stated that we DO NOT NEED to leave Scratch for this, yet it still seems that everyone insists that we do!

Founder of Funkin' Files and IParseQuick!

Demo it Today!


What is IParse Quick?
IParseQuick is a multi-parameter, ultra-fast parser, capable of handling almost unlimited values! Inspired by @Ancoders “Parser” (https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/558428881/).

You can use it with credit.
NILL_GAMES10
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IGABMS wrote:

IGABMS wrote:

kkidslogin wrote:

IGABMS wrote:

kkidslogin wrote:

xouzouris wrote:

kkidslogin wrote:

A more detailed explanation:

There are four cloud variables: server_data, server_response?, client_data, and client_response?. When the server sends data, it sets server_data to the data it is sending. It also sets server_response? to 1. Meanwhile, the client (the people that are online) is constantly scanning for when server_response? equals 1. When it becomes 1, the client stores the data somewhere and sets server_response? to 0 so that it doesn't read the data multiple times. When the client sends data, the same thing happens, except it uses client_data and client_response?, and the server sets client_response? to 0 after reading the data in client_data.

Presumably, the server uses a list to store data like websites. The downsides are that there can only be 200,000 websites (Unless you are running it in turbowarp), that every website is lost when the server loses power, and that there is a limited amount of memory availible for websites (~1GB if using a Raspberry Pi 4 2GB).
First of all, I THOUGHT OF THE EXACT SAME THING O_O Second, I do have a raspberry pi.
Ha! That's funny! I also have an add-on to this idea: if you don't want Chromium running 24/7, you can package a standalone offline package using Turbowarp Packager, and have cloud variables set to “Turbowarp's Online Server”. And perhaps pester
-GarboMuffin- about adding cloud variables and locally stored variables to TurboWarp Desktop.
This is what I've been saying, except without another central computer.

This could be accomplished by having a data transfer variable and a request address
and the client is always checking for a request to its address and then sets the data transfer variable to the content.

Hmmm……….. Having the client host the website could be sketchy… When the client leaves the project or even his computer falls asleep, the website would be lost forever. So really, the client would need a raspberry pi running server mode as well, and preferably a separate account to run the server.

I forgot to quote your post so I had to do it manually
Wow! THat's a lot of work to quote it manually!

I believe that if we want it to be accessible, people shouldn't need a rasberry pi. This should also be easily copy-able (with credit, of course)

It's up to people to store it. Whenever someone leaves, it just frees up more space for other people and lessens the load Scratch has to deal with. My vote is that if you leave, your website is cleared.

And guys-quick reminder: this is the INTERNET IN SCRATCH- NOT the internet partially rooted in Scratch but also runs on a Node.js server and requires each user to have a $15 rasberry pu.

You know what, why don't we just write this in Python and make this peer-to-peer with 256-bit asymmetric encryption and a remote data backup in 5 remote countries and have 3 more backups in a safety deposit box in a fortress?

This doesn't have to be so complex!

I have repeatedly stated that we DO NOT NEED to leave Scratch for this, yet it still seems that everyone insists that we do!
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IGABMS wrote:

kkidslogin wrote:

IGABMS wrote:

kkidslogin wrote:

xouzouris wrote:

kkidslogin wrote:

A more detailed explanation:

There are four cloud variables: server_data, server_response?, client_data, and client_response?. When the server sends data, it sets server_data to the data it is sending. It also sets server_response? to 1. Meanwhile, the client (the people that are online) is constantly scanning for when server_response? equals 1. When it becomes 1, the client stores the data somewhere and sets server_response? to 0 so that it doesn't read the data multiple times. When the client sends data, the same thing happens, except it uses client_data and client_response?, and the server sets client_response? to 0 after reading the data in client_data.

Presumably, the server uses a list to store data like websites. The downsides are that there can only be 200,000 websites (Unless you are running it in turbowarp), that every website is lost when the server loses power, and that there is a limited amount of memory availible for websites (~1GB if using a Raspberry Pi 4 2GB).
First of all, I THOUGHT OF THE EXACT SAME THING O_O Second, I do have a raspberry pi.
Ha! That's funny! I also have an add-on to this idea: if you don't want Chromium running 24/7, you can package a standalone offline package using Turbowarp Packager, and have cloud variables set to “Turbowarp's Online Server”. And perhaps pester
-GarboMuffin- about adding cloud variables and locally stored variables to TurboWarp Desktop.
This is what I've been saying, except without another central computer.

This could be accomplished by having a data transfer variable and a request address
and the client is always checking for a request to its address and then sets the data transfer variable to the content.

Hmmm……….. Having the client host the website could be sketchy… When the client leaves the project or even his computer falls asleep, the website would be lost forever. So really, the client would need a raspberry pi running server mode as well, and preferably a separate account to run the server.

I forgot to quote your post so I had to do it manually
Wow! THat's a lot of work to quote it manually!

I believe that if we want it to be accessible, people shouldn't need a rasberry pi. This should also be easily copy-able (with credit, of course)

It's up to people to store it. Whenever someone leaves, it just frees up more space for other people and lessens the load Scratch has to deal with. My vote is that if you leave, your website is cleared.

And guys-quick reminder: this is the INTERNET IN SCRATCH- NOT the internet partially rooted in Scratch but also runs on a Node.js server and requires each user to have a $15 rasberry pu.

Hmmm… that makes something different than the internet… But it sounds cool. Like the internet before disk drives! I have a question though: are you guys going to make a text version of this browser before graphical? A graphical browser can be quite difficult. And don't forget that the internet just looked like reading a file from UXTerm for a while.

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kkidslogin wrote:

IGABMS wrote:

kkidslogin wrote:

IGABMS wrote:

kkidslogin wrote:

xouzouris wrote:

kkidslogin wrote:

A more detailed explanation:

There are four cloud variables: server_data, server_response?, client_data, and client_response?. When the server sends data, it sets server_data to the data it is sending. It also sets server_response? to 1. Meanwhile, the client (the people that are online) is constantly scanning for when server_response? equals 1. When it becomes 1, the client stores the data somewhere and sets server_response? to 0 so that it doesn't read the data multiple times. When the client sends data, the same thing happens, except it uses client_data and client_response?, and the server sets client_response? to 0 after reading the data in client_data.

Presumably, the server uses a list to store data like websites. The downsides are that there can only be 200,000 websites (Unless you are running it in turbowarp), that every website is lost when the server loses power, and that there is a limited amount of memory availible for websites (~1GB if using a Raspberry Pi 4 2GB).
First of all, I THOUGHT OF THE EXACT SAME THING O_O Second, I do have a raspberry pi.
Ha! That's funny! I also have an add-on to this idea: if you don't want Chromium running 24/7, you can package a standalone offline package using Turbowarp Packager, and have cloud variables set to “Turbowarp's Online Server”. And perhaps pester
-GarboMuffin- about adding cloud variables and locally stored variables to TurboWarp Desktop.
This is what I've been saying, except without another central computer.

This could be accomplished by having a data transfer variable and a request address
and the client is always checking for a request to its address and then sets the data transfer variable to the content.

Hmmm……….. Having the client host the website could be sketchy… When the client leaves the project or even his computer falls asleep, the website would be lost forever. So really, the client would need a raspberry pi running server mode as well, and preferably a separate account to run the server.

I forgot to quote your post so I had to do it manually
Wow! THat's a lot of work to quote it manually!

I believe that if we want it to be accessible, people shouldn't need a rasberry pi. This should also be easily copy-able (with credit, of course)

It's up to people to store it. Whenever someone leaves, it just frees up more space for other people and lessens the load Scratch has to deal with. My vote is that if you leave, your website is cleared.

And guys-quick reminder: this is the INTERNET IN SCRATCH- NOT the internet partially rooted in Scratch but also runs on a Node.js server and requires each user to have a $15 rasberry pu.

Hmmm… that makes something different than the internet… But it sounds cool. Like the internet before disk drives! I have a question though: are you guys going to make a text version of this browser before graphical? A graphical browser can be quite difficult. And don't forget that the internet just looked like reading a file from UXTerm for a while.
I have sn idea…
It invilves using a sofisticated UI system and hiring a very good programmer

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IGABMS wrote:

IGABMS wrote:

kkidslogin wrote:

IGABMS wrote:

kkidslogin wrote:

xouzouris wrote:

kkidslogin wrote:

A more detailed explanation:

There are four cloud variables: server_data, server_response?, client_data, and client_response?. When the server sends data, it sets server_data to the data it is sending. It also sets server_response? to 1. Meanwhile, the client (the people that are online) is constantly scanning for when server_response? equals 1. When it becomes 1, the client stores the data somewhere and sets server_response? to 0 so that it doesn't read the data multiple times. When the client sends data, the same thing happens, except it uses client_data and client_response?, and the server sets client_response? to 0 after reading the data in client_data.

Presumably, the server uses a list to store data like websites. The downsides are that there can only be 200,000 websites (Unless you are running it in turbowarp), that every website is lost when the server loses power, and that there is a limited amount of memory availible for websites (~1GB if using a Raspberry Pi 4 2GB).
First of all, I THOUGHT OF THE EXACT SAME THING O_O Second, I do have a raspberry pi.
Ha! That's funny! I also have an add-on to this idea: if you don't want Chromium running 24/7, you can package a standalone offline package using Turbowarp Packager, and have cloud variables set to “Turbowarp's Online Server”. And perhaps pester
-GarboMuffin- about adding cloud variables and locally stored variables to TurboWarp Desktop.
This is what I've been saying, except without another central computer.

This could be accomplished by having a data transfer variable and a request address
and the client is always checking for a request to its address and then sets the data transfer variable to the content.

Hmmm……….. Having the client host the website could be sketchy… When the client leaves the project or even his computer falls asleep, the website would be lost forever. So really, the client would need a raspberry pi running server mode as well, and preferably a separate account to run the server.

I forgot to quote your post so I had to do it manually
Wow! THat's a lot of work to quote it manually!

I believe that if we want it to be accessible, people shouldn't need a rasberry pi. This should also be easily copy-able (with credit, of course)

It's up to people to store it. Whenever someone leaves, it just frees up more space for other people and lessens the load Scratch has to deal with. My vote is that if you leave, your website is cleared.

And guys-quick reminder: this is the INTERNET IN SCRATCH- NOT the internet partially rooted in Scratch but also runs on a Node.js server and requires each user to have a $15 rasberry pu.

You know what, why don't we just write this in Python and make this peer-to-peer with 256-bit asymmetric encryption and a remote data backup in 5 remote countries and have 3 more backups in a safety deposit box in a fortress?

This doesn't have to be so complex!

I have repeatedly stated that we DO NOT NEED to leave Scratch for this, yet it still seems that everyone insists that we do!
The scratch cloud variable servers are just not good enough! They are slow and unreliable!

Last edited by xouzouris (May 17, 2021 19:28:13)


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