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Richard2000
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Macintosh Myths Uncovered!

There are many myths out there about Mac that drive many users away on a daily basis. I am here to clear six of them up. This may even make you want to buy a Mac

1. “I can't put my new graphics card inside the Mac I bought.”
The Macintosh is very expandable. Although you can't buy graphics cards to install into the Mac, you don't have to; Apple has already integrated the most cutting edge video technology into the Mac, so there really is no need to Like I said before, the Mac is very expandable; if you don't have enough RAM (that's Memory for you non-computer folks), you can install more, you can plug in monitors and projectors (as many as you like, in fact) as well as all USB devices, and the computer will recognize them and activate them for use with the system instantaneously. It will only install drivers once, and will not take forever to install device drivers and activate a USB device upon each use.

2. “Mac isn't a gaming platform.”
Your lack of knowledge about the Mac is killing me. Macintosh has plenty of games that are big-name titles, for example, The Sims 3 and Battlefield 4. Here is a video demo of Battlefield 4 running on a Mac Pro from 2009 at 60fps in 1080p: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNlW5szA454

3. “Mac is too expensive.”
And you'd rather pay just as much for a PC? You obviously don't know what I'm talking about, so take a good look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbSwuZ4i_Is

4. “Mac doesn't last long.”
Yeah, so that's why there's so many Macs from 1984 in perfect working condition, and why my 14 year old iMac G3 is still in perfect working condition, too.

5. “PC has more apps.”
While this is true, Mac also has many apps that are either equal or 10x better than what you would be recieving on a PC, and this can be proven by simply taking the money you were going to spend on your Xbox One and buy a Mac. Why just play games, when you can play games, Skype, go on Facebook and Scratch, finish that homework assignment, make a movie, compose a song, and do a whole other bunch of stuff all at the same time?

6. “Mac is too hard to use.”
Yeah, so Mac totally didn't simplify the UI in 1984? Let's see:
http://imageshack.com/a/img839/7125/rpn.gif
Do you know how to use this? Yeah I know, “Where's the Mouse?”

http://imageshack.com/a/img560/7961/i7mq.jpg
Do you know how to use this? I think the answer is obvious.

Has much changed? Absolutely freaking not! Windows has been ripping Apple off for years. It started out in 1985 when Microsoft introduced Windows: a blatant rip-off of Macintosh's Finder. This can be proven by simply looking at the many similarities between Windows 1.0 and Macintosh SSW v1.0. It's very obvious.

And yes, I missed a lot of myths, and I'm sure you will indeed target me with more. I will simply prove you wrong.

Drag your PC off your desk, Drop it in the trash.

Get a mac.

-Richard2000
PonyoPenguin
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Macintosh Myths Uncovered!

Nice argument. I can kill it with two words.

.EXE files.

do what makes you happy.
'cause at the end, who's there?
you.
veggieman001
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Macintosh Myths Uncovered!

None of those are reasons to switch, though; if someone already has a Windows computer, there's no reason to switch because the two are functionally equivalent.

I myself mainly prefer Windows (XP if possible) because I'm more used to its file system and I think the taskbar is extremely more useful for me than the dock.

Last edited by veggieman001 (Jan. 8, 2014 23:59:25)


Richard2000
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Macintosh Myths Uncovered!

PonyoPenguin wrote:

Nice argument. I can kill it with two words.

.EXE files.
That's so irrelevant. EXE files must run seperately from resources and cannot be packaged. Mac allows for such better control over these kind of things.

It's seriously ridiculous how much people actually know about computers…
PonyoPenguin
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Richard2000 wrote:

PonyoPenguin wrote:

Nice argument. I can kill it with two words.

.EXE files.
That's so irrelevant. EXE files must run seperately from resources and cannot be packaged. Mac allows for such better control over these kind of things.

It's seriously ridiculous how much people actually know about computers…

Most files come in .exe nowadays, and in order to get something to run that is .exe you have to use Wineskin or CrossOver, which both are a little unreliable at times for more complicated files.

Also, every time a Mac updates, you have to update too or none of the popular programs will work. I can't run the new Aegisub on a Mac because I have to have 10.7 and I have 10.6.8, and the Mac App Store keeps telling me I'm not compatible to update.

do what makes you happy.
'cause at the end, who's there?
you.
veggieman001
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Macintosh Myths Uncovered!

Richard2000 wrote:

PonyoPenguin wrote:

Nice argument. I can kill it with two words.

.EXE files.
That's so irrelevant. EXE files must run seperately from resources and cannot be packaged. Mac allows for such better control over these kind of things.

It's seriously ridiculous how much people actually know about computers…
…but you can put an executable in a compressed folder with the resources. That's also more transparent so it's easier for people to see what they're actually running.

Richard2000
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Macintosh Myths Uncovered!

veggieman001 wrote:

None of those are reasons to switch, though; if someone already has a Windows computer, there's no reason to switch because the two are functionally equivalent.

I myself mainly prefer Windows (XP if possible) because I'm more used to its file system and I think the taskbar is extremely more useful for me than the dock.

There are many reasons to switch. In fact, if you're fed up with Windows, which most people are, you should switch and spare yourself the doom.

I do not disagree with your liking of XP, I used it for many years and it was…somewhat useful. However, Windows' file system is much less safe, and does not allow as much control and flexibility as Macintosh's File System does. It may not be as comfortable to switch, but I find it easy: I use Mac at school and PC at home. I like Mac because it's fun, helpful, creative, and comes with everything you need. It can basically do anything a PC can do 10x better. I like PC because it has a lot more applications that can be used to do various tasks, and seems to be a lot more popular with gamers alike.
Richard2000
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Macintosh Myths Uncovered!

PonyoPenguin wrote:

Richard2000 wrote:

PonyoPenguin wrote:

Nice argument. I can kill it with two words.

.EXE files.
That's so irrelevant. EXE files must run seperately from resources and cannot be packaged. Mac allows for such better control over these kind of things.

It's seriously ridiculous how much people actually know about computers…

Most files come in .exe nowadays, and in order to get something to run that is .exe you have to use Wineskin or CrossOver, which both are a little unreliable at times for more complicated files.

Also, every time a Mac updates, you have to update too or none of the popular programs will work. I can't run the new Aegisub on a Mac because I have to have 10.7 and I have 10.6.8, and the Mac App Store keeps telling me I'm not compatible to update.

Updating with Mac is not so hard… They just came out with 10.9 for free on the Mac App Store. If you're still running on Snow Leopard, you had better update to a newer Mac. All macs are able to run 10.7+ now and it's ridiculous how everyone complains when they have something from like 7 years ago that became obsolete like 2 years ago and continue to complain, blaming it on apple because they can't go and buy a new mac.
veggieman001
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Richard2000 wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:

None of those are reasons to switch, though; if someone already has a Windows computer, there's no reason to switch because the two are functionally equivalent.

I myself mainly prefer Windows (XP if possible) because I'm more used to its file system and I think the taskbar is extremely more useful for me than the dock.

There are many reasons to switch. In fact, if you're fed up with Windows, which most people are, you should switch and spare yourself the doom.

I do not disagree with your liking of XP, I used it for many years and it was…somewhat useful. However, Windows' file system is much less safe, and does not allow as much control and flexibility as Macintosh's File System does. It may not be as comfortable to switch, but I find it easy: I use Mac at school and PC at home. I like Mac because it's fun, helpful, creative, and comes with everything you need. It can basically do anything a PC can do 10x better. I like PC because it has a lot more applications that can be used to do various tasks, and seems to be a lot more popular with gamers alike.
Most people are not fed up with Windows and are well aware of Macs; it's not like they're unknown. I have never had an issue with my file system being unsafe (anti-virus software has worked well for me). I however do not find OS X to be “fun”, “helpful”, or “creative”, though; I think it's visually cluttered, as well as full of programs I could not find a use for. The only programs I really use that often anyway are Google Chrome, Audacity, Skype, foobar2000, Notepad, Dropbox, and MS Paint (plus a few others), and many of those are Windows-only.

OS X can't do anything better than Windows can. Name one thing. I dare you. I repeat: they're functionally equivalent.

veggieman001
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Richard2000 wrote:

blaming it on apple because they can't go and buy a new mac.
That's ridiculous. Many people can't afford to buy a whole new computer.

Richard2000
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Macintosh Myths Uncovered!

veggieman001 wrote:

Richard2000 wrote:

PonyoPenguin wrote:

Nice argument. I can kill it with two words.

.EXE files.
That's so irrelevant. EXE files must run seperately from resources and cannot be packaged. Mac allows for such better control over these kind of things.

It's seriously ridiculous how much people actually know about computers…
…but you can put an executable in a compressed folder with the resources. That's also more transparent so it's easier for people to see what they're actually running.

And same with mac. On a Macintosh, If you right click on an Application, it will show a menu option called “Show Package Contents”. If you click on it, it will open up the application files, showing you datafiles, images, etc. that all run the application, just like windows with it's program files. Macintosh has a much safey system for doing this.
PonyoPenguin
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Macintosh Myths Uncovered!

Richard2000 wrote:

PonyoPenguin wrote:

Richard2000 wrote:

PonyoPenguin wrote:

Nice argument. I can kill it with two words.

.EXE files.
That's so irrelevant. EXE files must run seperately from resources and cannot be packaged. Mac allows for such better control over these kind of things.

It's seriously ridiculous how much people actually know about computers…

Most files come in .exe nowadays, and in order to get something to run that is .exe you have to use Wineskin or CrossOver, which both are a little unreliable at times for more complicated files.

Also, every time a Mac updates, you have to update too or none of the popular programs will work. I can't run the new Aegisub on a Mac because I have to have 10.7 and I have 10.6.8, and the Mac App Store keeps telling me I'm not compatible to update.

Updating with Mac is not so hard… They just came out with 10.9 for free on the Mac App Store. If you're still running on Snow Leopard, you had better update to a newer Mac. All macs are able to run 10.7+ now and it's ridiculous how everyone complains when they have something from like 7 years ago that became obsolete like 2 years ago and continue to complain, blaming it on apple because they can't go and buy a new mac.

Because not everyone has $800 up their backside?

do what makes you happy.
'cause at the end, who's there?
you.
veggieman001
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Macintosh Myths Uncovered!

Richard2000 wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:

Richard2000 wrote:

PonyoPenguin wrote:

Nice argument. I can kill it with two words.

.EXE files.
That's so irrelevant. EXE files must run seperately from resources and cannot be packaged. Mac allows for such better control over these kind of things.

It's seriously ridiculous how much people actually know about computers…
…but you can put an executable in a compressed folder with the resources. That's also more transparent so it's easier for people to see what they're actually running.

And same with mac. On a Macintosh, If you right click on an Application, it will show a menu option called “Show Package Contents”. If you click on it, it will open up the application files, showing you datafiles, images, etc. that all run the application, just like windows with it's program files. Macintosh has a much safey system for doing this.
You're right, you can do that–my only problem was that for the longest time I didn't know how and it's not obvious to someone coming from Windows that you would be able to do this or that that's how application files work. You also have to specifically do this, whereas on Windows, if you download an application that you don't need to install, all of the files are already there.
However, you have not said how that makes this system safer.

Firedrake969
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…I just noticed the awesome new Chrome scrollbar…. [/offtopic]

Most Macs are PCs. PC means Portable Computer. You have a Mac laptop? It's a PC.

1. You actually normally can't open up Macs… from what I know, Apple is pretty closed with its hardware and software.
3. Well, I've seen plenty high-end Win8 computers with touchscreens and i7 chips that are light and really fast. For approximately $500-$900. Macs? Pretty much all over $1000 for a recent one.

Oooh, I know a myth you missed: Macs don't get viruses! Well, it's because most people use Windows, and hackers target Windows because it's easier to spread malware.

I respect your opinion, but please don't force it upon those who do not share it (last paragraph, “drag your PC (*cough*Windows*cough*)off your desk”, “absolutely freaking not”).

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Richard2000
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Most people are not fed up with Windows and are well aware of Macs; it's not like they're unknown.
Oh, so people haven't had that lovely Blue Screen of Death at least once a month. If people are so “well aware” of Macs, then why aren't they buying them.

I have never had an issue with my file system being unsafe (anti-virus software has worked well for me).
And that's the thing. Why pay for something you shouldn't even have to buy at all? File systems are unsafe, even on Linux. You don't see your file system being unsafe: it's the protocols in the background, smart one.

I however do not find OS X to be “fun”, “helpful”, or “creative”, though; I think it's visually cluttered, as well as full of programs I could not find a use for.
It is fun: ever heard of Battlefield 4 or The Sims 3? Those are big name games running on a Mac twice as powerful as a PC. It is helpful; Apple has a software suite called iWorks that is much better than MS Office and is much cheaper than MS Office. It is creative; What PC do you know that comes with iMovie, GarageBand, iWeb, iPhoto and more? You can find a use for almost all of the programs on a mac. Macintosh comes bundled with various tools to assist you. If you actually used a mac, you would be surprised.

The only programs I really use that often anyway are Google Chrome, Audacity, Skype, foobar2000, Notepad, Dropbox, and MS Paint (plus a few others), and many of those are Windows-only.
Google Chrome? Mac.
Audacity? Mac.
Skype? Mac.
Foobar? Don't need it; mac comes with iTunes.
Notepad? Don't need it: Mac comes with TextEdit: it's identical to notepad and better in a million ways.
Dropbox? Mac.
MS Paint? Don't need it; plenty of programs out there for the mac that work just like MS paint and even better.

OS X can't do anything better than Windows can. Name one thing. I dare you. I repeat: they're functionally equivalent.
One thing? Okay: everything. Maybe if you took a look at a mac, instead of staring deep into your PC's LCD, you'd realize why I'm doing this.
Firedrake969
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Richard2000 wrote:

Most people are not fed up with Windows and are well aware of Macs; it's not like they're unknown.
Oh, so people haven't had that lovely Blue Screen of Death at least once a month. If people are so “well aware” of Macs, then why aren't they buying them.
Nope. My computer is a few years old and I've had it a grand total of zero times.

I have never had an issue with my file system being unsafe (anti-virus software has worked well for me).
And that's the thing. Why pay for something you shouldn't even have to buy at all? File systems are unsafe, even on Linux. You don't see your file system being unsafe: it's the protocols in the background, smart one.
See my post above.

I however do not find OS X to be “fun”, “helpful”, or “creative”, though; I think it's visually cluttered, as well as full of programs I could not find a use for.
It is fun: ever heard of Battlefield 4 or The Sims 3? Those are big name games running on a Mac twice as powerful as a PC. It is helpful; Apple has a software suite called iWorks that is much better than MS Office and is much cheaper than MS Office. It is creative; What PC do you know that comes with iMovie, GarageBand, iWeb, iPhoto and more? You can find a use for almost all of the programs on a mac. Macintosh comes bundled with various tools to assist you. If you actually used a mac, you would be surprised.
“twice as powerful” source?

The only programs I really use that often anyway are Google Chrome, Audacity, Skype, foobar2000, Notepad, Dropbox, and MS Paint (plus a few others), and many of those are Windows-only.
Google Chrome? Mac.
Audacity? Mac.
Skype? Mac.
Foobar? Don't need it; mac comes with iTunes.
Notepad? Don't need it: Mac comes with TextEdit: it's identical to notepad and better in a million ways.
Dropbox? Mac.
MS Paint? Don't need it; plenty of programs out there for the mac that work just like MS paint and even better.
“better in a million ways” proof? I do agree with programs besides MS Paint, though.

OS X can't do anything better than Windows can. Name one thing. I dare you. I repeat: they're functionally equivalent.
One thing? Okay: everything. Maybe if you took a look at a mac, instead of staring deep into your PC's LCD, you'd realize why I'm doing this.
So you say something with nothing to back it up? Oh, and Macs also have LCD screens :P

Again, see my post on most Macs being PCs.

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turkey3_test
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When you say PC costs the same amount, not true. The cheapest new MacBook Pro is $1200 in America, and that's a lot. My PC cost $700 and it's specs compare equally. Macs are no doubt more expensive, and everything, such as adding another 4 gigs of RAM, adds up into the $100s.

Richard2000
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Most Macs are PCs. PC means Portable Computer. You have a Mac laptop? It's a PC.
Don't you ever pull this again. A Mac is absolutely not a PC. PCs are mass produced, made by different manufacturers, come with Windows installed, and have different hardware and software preinstalled on each one. A Mac is not a computer; a Mac is indeed, a freaking Mac. Oh sorry, was that to theological for you to understand, PC lubber?

1. You actually normally can't open up Macs… from what I know, Apple is pretty closed with its hardware and software.
Yeah, I totally didn't overclock my iMac G3, replace the ram, and do a bunch of other stuff to make it run OS X. Because apple is oh so closed. You're killing me with your lack of knowledge.
3. Well, I've seen plenty high-end Win8 computers with touchscreens and i7 chips that are light and really fast. For approximately $500-$900. Macs? Pretty much all over $1000 for a recent one.
Watch the video in the first post, you fool.

Oooh, I know a myth you missed: Macs don't get viruses! Well, it's because most people use Windows, and hackers target Windows because it's easier to spread malware.
Why do I need to? It's so simple. Thanks for rubbing it in how unsafe PCs are though: I'll remember that the next time I win.



Richard2000
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turkey3_test wrote:

When you say PC costs the same amount, not true. The cheapest new MacBook Pro is $1200 in America, and that's a lot. My PC cost $700 and it's specs compare equally. Macs are no doubt more expensive, and everything, such as adding another 4 gigs of RAM, adds up into the $100s.
I never said it costs the same amount. Watch the video in the first post.
turkey3_test
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Richard2000 wrote:

Most Macs are PCs. PC means Portable Computer. You have a Mac laptop? It's a PC.
Don't you ever pull this again. A Mac is absolutely not a PC. PCs are mass produced, made by different manufacturers, come with Windows installed, and have different hardware and software preinstalled on each one. A Mac is not a computer; a Mac is indeed, a freaking Mac. Oh sorry, was that to theological for you to understand, PC lubber?

1. You actually normally can't open up Macs… from what I know, Apple is pretty closed with its hardware and software.
Yeah, I totally didn't overclock my iMac G3, replace the ram, and do a bunch of other stuff to make it run OS X. Because apple is oh so closed. You're killing me with your lack of knowledge.
3. Well, I've seen plenty high-end Win8 computers with touchscreens and i7 chips that are light and really fast. For approximately $500-$900. Macs? Pretty much all over $1000 for a recent one.
Watch the video in the first post, you fool.

Oooh, I know a myth you missed: Macs don't get viruses! Well, it's because most people use Windows, and hackers target Windows because it's easier to spread malware.
Why do I need to? It's so simple. Thanks for rubbing it in how unsafe PCs are though: I'll remember that the next time I win.



Calm down. It's just a discussion. No need to yell.

Last edited by turkey3_test (Jan. 9, 2014 00:48:00)


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