chessconscarth wrote:

chessconscarth wrote:

how about tablebases or are they just to large?

The only tablebase needed is KR vs KN, KR vs KB of 4 man table base.

birdracerthree wrote:

ScratchChessChampion wrote:

How do you all implement endgame detection? I’m looking to add an endgame tablebase to MiniMate, bcause it’s struggling to convert winning endgames

Element takes the material value of the position and it checks if it is less than 27 (excluding pawns). Element also has an except that allows QRRvQRR to be an endgame (that is up to you to add).
This is not really relevant for tablebases as you will only be able to add 4 or 5 man tablebases into a Scratch project.

AZURUS41 wrote:

Remastered leaderboard with feedback from y'll :

1 - GoK NNUE (Difficult)
2 - GoK Classic (Difficult)
3 - Delta (depth9 or 15sec think time)
4 - White Dove (P4/5)
5 - Element (6+8)
6 - Shallow Blue (4+3)
(7) - Destructor 2 (5+2)
8 - Scurious (Depth5)
9 - Bonsai Chess (Blue Belt)
(10) - Miniment (6+0)
(11) - LA Chess Engine (Perf 6)
12 - Leo's AI (4+0)
13 - LowDoor (Depth 5)
Below - HarleyK / Wolverine Chess

ababoin07 wrote:

AZURUS41 wrote:

Remastered leaderboard with feedback from y'll :

1 - GoK NNUE (Difficult)
2 - GoK Classic (Difficult)
3 - Delta (depth9 or 15sec think time)
4 - White Dove (P4/5)
5 - Element (6+8)
6 - Shallow Blue (4+3)
(7) - Destructor 2 (5+2)
8 - Scurious (Depth5)
9 - Bonsai Chess (Blue Belt)
(10) - Miniment (6+0)
(11) - LA Chess Engine (Perf 6)
12 - Leo's AI (4+0)
13 - LowDoor (Depth 5)
Below - HarleyK / Wolverine Chess

LowDoor is not stronger than Leo's Ai?

AZURUS41 wrote:

ababoin07 wrote:

AZURUS41 wrote:

Remastered leaderboard with feedback from y'll :

1 - GoK NNUE (Difficult)
2 - GoK Classic (Difficult)
3 - Delta (depth9 or 15sec think time)
4 - White Dove (P4/5)
5 - Element (6+8)
6 - Shallow Blue (4+3)
(7) - Destructor 2 (5+2)
8 - Scurious (Depth5)
9 - Bonsai Chess (Blue Belt)
(10) - Miniment (6+0)
(11) - LA Chess Engine (Perf 6)
12 - Leo's AI (4+0)
13 - LowDoor (Depth 5)
Below - HarleyK / Wolverine Chess

LowDoor is not stronger than Leo's Ai?

Idk, I need self-games… Most of the ranking still comes from SCC program

https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/1061850388/
If someone wants to lose itself in LA's code to try to understand why does qsearch makes LA crash, you're welcome

HasiLover_Test wrote:

Because Scurious uses custom blocks for every ply, its very possible to pass AB Values through the blocks without using a List, is it worth it to recode the complete Pruning to try?

birdracerthree wrote:

HasiLover_Test wrote:

Because Scurious uses custom blocks for every ply, its very possible to pass AB Values through the blocks without using a List, is it worth it to recode the complete Pruning to try?

I had to think about this, but it sounds doable to me. The less code you have to overhaul, the better

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HasiLover_Test wrote:

chessconscarth wrote:

birdracerthree wrote:

ScratchChessChampion wrote:

How do you all implement endgame detection? I’m looking to add an endgame tablebase to MiniMate, bcause it’s struggling to convert winning endgames

Element takes the material value of the position and it checks if it is less than 27 (excluding pawns). Element also has an except that allows QRRvQRR to be an endgame (that is up to you to add).
This is not really relevant for tablebases as you will only be able to add 4 or 5 man tablebases into a Scratch project.

by adding a variable to cheak pawns and pieces.

when green flag clicked
set [pawns] to [8]
forever
if <[pawns] < [4]> then
broadcast [IS endgame]
end

end

extremely unefficient example lol

chessconscarth wrote:

HasiLover_Test wrote:

chessconscarth wrote:

birdracerthree wrote:

ScratchChessChampion wrote:

How do you all implement endgame detection? I’m looking to add an endgame tablebase to MiniMate, bcause it’s struggling to convert winning endgames

Element takes the material value of the position and it checks if it is less than 27 (excluding pawns). Element also has an except that allows QRRvQRR to be an endgame (that is up to you to add).
This is not really relevant for tablebases as you will only be able to add 4 or 5 man tablebases into a Scratch project.

by adding a variable to cheak pawns and pieces.

when green flag clicked
set [pawns] to [8]
forever
if <[pawns] < [4]> then
broadcast [IS endgame]
end

end

extremely unefficient example lol

that is how GoK NNUE cheaks for endgame.

birdracerthree wrote:

chessconscarth wrote:

HasiLover_Test wrote:

chessconscarth wrote:

birdracerthree wrote:

ScratchChessChampion wrote:

How do you all implement endgame detection? I’m looking to add an endgame tablebase to MiniMate, bcause it’s struggling to convert winning endgames

Element takes the material value of the position and it checks if it is less than 27 (excluding pawns). Element also has an except that allows QRRvQRR to be an endgame (that is up to you to add).
This is not really relevant for tablebases as you will only be able to add 4 or 5 man tablebases into a Scratch project.

by adding a variable to cheak pawns and pieces.

when green flag clicked
set [pawns] to [8]
forever
if <[pawns] < [4]> then
broadcast [IS endgame]
end

end

extremely unefficient example lol

that is how GoK NNUE cheaks for endgame.

This is not how GoK NNUE checks for an endgame.

chessconscarth wrote:

can someone tell me how to make legal moves in chess.
the closest I have made to legal chess is this https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/1056738342 which is very bad.
(also, I am not expired boy ok.)

say [how to get legal moves in chess] for (2) secs

AZURUS41 wrote:

https://lichess.org/4YF0PI8m#0
LA qdepth (black, 4+2) wins against LA regular(4+0)
I'm still trying to figure out why quiescence only works as black yet, but anyways I'm very happy that quiescence works finally !
It played a lot of games wothout doing any illegal moves yet, and I'll make it face some other engines in the day to see how good it is for now.

4+8 is recommended so far, making qDepth much higher doesn't change a lot the think time yet.
An example, nodes analysed after 1.c4 (to be out of book early) :
4+0 : 1…Nc6 in 6804 nodes
4+1 : 1…d5 in 94566 nodes
4+2 : 1…d5 in 94594 nodes
4+3 : 1…d5 in 96713 nodes
4+4 : 1…d5 in 96741 nodes
4+5 : 1…d5 in 97704 nodes
4+6 : 1…d5 in 97728 nodes
4+7 : 1…d5 in 98462 nodes
4+8 : 1…d5 in 98462 nodes (we staying still ?)
4+30 : 1…d5 in 98462 nodes (yeah we staying still…)

Does the results makes sense ?
How much nodes fo you have at 4+? for 1.c4 (when no book) ?

4+0: 3604
4+1: 4067
4+2: 1212
4+3: 1231
4+4: 1223
4+5: 1223
4+6: 1223
4+7: 1223
4+8: 1223

échecsconscarth wrote:

can someone tell me how to make legal moves in chess.
the closest I have made to legal chess is this https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/1056738342 which is very bad.
(also, I am not expired boy ok.)

say [how to get legal moves in chess] for (2) secs

birdracerthree wrote:

AZURUS41 wrote:

https://lichess.org/4YF0PI8m#0
LA qdepth (black, 4+2) wins against LA regular(4+0)
I'm still trying to figure out why quiescence only works as black yet, but anyways I'm very happy that quiescence works finally !
It played a lot of games wothout doing any illegal moves yet, and I'll make it face some other engines in the day to see how good it is for now.

4+8 is recommended so far, making qDepth much higher doesn't change a lot the think time yet.
An example, nodes analysed after 1.c4 (to be out of book early) :
4+0 : 1…Nc6 in 6804 nodes
4+1 : 1…d5 in 94566 nodes
4+2 : 1…d5 in 94594 nodes
4+3 : 1…d5 in 96713 nodes
4+4 : 1…d5 in 96741 nodes
4+5 : 1…d5 in 97704 nodes
4+6 : 1…d5 in 97728 nodes
4+7 : 1…d5 in 98462 nodes
4+8 : 1…d5 in 98462 nodes (we staying still ?)
4+30 : 1…d5 in 98462 nodes (yeah we staying still…)

Does the results makes sense ?
How much nodes fo you have at 4+? for 1.c4 (when no book) ?

4+0: 3604
4+1: 4067
4+2: 1212
4+3: 1231
4+4: 1223
4+5: 1223
4+6: 1223
4+7: 1223
4+8: 1223

Once my laptop works again, I can increase the quiescence depth past 8. However, once I do get it to work (even if temporarily), I will prioritize a possible issue that may be ruining its NPS in endgames.
I believe you don’t have AB pruning in quiescence?

4+0  3796
4+1  3134
4+2  7603
4+3  9668
4+4  15445
4+5  21337
4+6  28937
4+7  37149
4+8  39537