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c-o2
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Lets try and solve really hard maths problems

Like goldenbach conjecture or stuff . Ideas put in the comments. It isn't a maths club we try to solve things that have NEVER been solved before.
liam48D
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Lets try and solve really hard maths problems

Possibly even more interesting is discovering new math patterns and such!

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Jonathan50
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Lets try and solve really hard maths problems

herohamp wrote:

∞-∞
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MrFlash67
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Lets try and solve really hard maths problems

herohamp wrote:

∞-∞
Wouldn't that be 0 (unless you're faffing around with countable and uncountable infinities)?

edit: half of my post was lost.
edit 2: wow this really hates unicode x. x - x == 0, should be true for all values of x even ∞

Last edited by MrFlash67 (Sept. 20, 2016 06:21:22)


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scratchisthebest
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Lets try and solve really hard maths problems

^ Mathologer has a nice vidya on this: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-EtHF5ND3_s

TL;DW infinity-infinity = literally anything

Edit: When googling for that I found this http://www.philforhumanity.com/Infinity_Minus_Infinity.html which is simpler.

Last edited by scratchisthebest (Sept. 20, 2016 15:00:45)


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c-o2
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Lets try and solve really hard maths problems

Any way still interested?
CodeLegend
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Lets try and solve really hard maths problems

MrFlash67 wrote:

x - x == 0, should be true for all values of x even ∞
Subtraction isn't formally defined for infinite quantities. So, no.
c-o2
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Lets try and solve really hard maths problems

CodeLegend wrote:

MrFlash67 wrote:

x - x == 0, should be true for all values of x even ∞
Subtraction isn't formally defined for infinite quantities. So, no.
Also is x/x=1 when x=0 so we shouldn't always make x/x 0 same with x0 / x 0 supposed to be x the power of 0
MegaApuTurkUltra
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Lets try and solve really hard maths problems

herohamp wrote:

∞-∞
there's no such thing as subtraction for infinity. Infinity is not a number that you can drop anywhere you want.

MrFlash67 wrote:

x - x == 0, should be true for all values of x even ∞
Infinity is not a number

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c-o2
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Lets try and solve really hard maths problems

Exactly it's a concept
TheMonsterOfTheDeep
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Lets try and solve really hard maths problems

Infinity, is, in fact, a process - it's the process of growing without bound.

Infinity is the process of approaching 1/x from the right at zero.

It's also the process of approaching x as x becomes arbitrarily large.

This is why infinity - infinity does not make sense - it is not the subtraction of two numbers, it is the subtraction of two processes of growing. If they are growing at the same rate, it will equal zero - but if they are growing at different rates, it will equal something else.

It is possible that one infinity is growing so much faster that infinity - infinity comes out to just be another infinity - another process of growth.

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-ScratchOs
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∞ * 2 ≡ ∞
∞ + 2 ≡ ∞
∞ - 2 ≡ ∞
∞ / 2 ≡ ∞

All of these rules cannot apply to any real or not real number therefore ∞ is not a number
jokebookservice1
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Lets try and solve really hard maths problems

-ScratchOs wrote:

∞ * 2 ≡ ∞
∞ + 2 ≡ ∞
∞ - 2 ≡ ∞
∞ / 2 ≡ ∞

All of these rules cannot apply to any real or not real number therefore ∞ is not a number
Which therefore means you cannot do those operations on it xD
-ScratchOs
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Lets try and solve really hard maths problems

jokebookservice1 wrote:

-ScratchOs wrote:

∞ * 2 ≡ ∞
∞ + 2 ≡ ∞
∞ - 2 ≡ ∞
∞ / 2 ≡ ∞

All of these rules cannot apply to any real or not real number therefore ∞ is not a number
Which therefore means you cannot do those operations on it xD

exactly
c-o2
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Lets try and solve really hard maths problems

-ScratchOs wrote:

jokebookservice1 wrote:

-ScratchOs wrote:

∞ * 2 ≡ ∞
∞ + 2 ≡ ∞
∞ - 2 ≡ ∞
∞ / 2 ≡ ∞

All of these rules cannot apply to any real or not real number therefore ∞ is not a number
Which therefore means you cannot do those operations on it xD

exactly
Yeah but what is 1/0 google says it's infinity ;( I thought it was undefined
TheMonsterOfTheDeep
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c-o2 wrote:

-ScratchOs wrote:

jokebookservice1 wrote:

-ScratchOs wrote:

∞ * 2 ≡ ∞
∞ + 2 ≡ ∞
∞ - 2 ≡ ∞
∞ / 2 ≡ ∞

All of these rules cannot apply to any real or not real number therefore ∞ is not a number
Which therefore means you cannot do those operations on it xD

exactly
Yeah but what is 1/0 google says it's infinity ;( I thought it was undefined
1/0 is undefined, in general, because infinity is a process and not a number. 1/x gets closer and closer to infinity as x gets closer to zero, but at zero 1/x is undefined because infinity is not a real number. There's also another reason it is undefined in this particular case - although 1/x approaches infinity from the right (i.e. as a positive number gets closer and closer to zero) it approaches negative infinity from the left (i.e. as a negative number gets closer and closer to zero) and thus doesn't have a consistent sign.

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jokebookservice1
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Lets try and solve really hard maths problems

-ScratchOs wrote:

jokebookservice1 wrote:

-ScratchOs wrote:

∞ * 2 ≡ ∞
∞ + 2 ≡ ∞
∞ - 2 ≡ ∞
∞ / 2 ≡ ∞

All of these rules cannot apply to any real or not real number therefore ∞ is not a number
Which therefore means you cannot do those operations on it xD

exactly
No.. my point is that now the proof is invalid because you just did some operations that you couldn't
explodingtoilet
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Lets try and solve really hard maths problems

258 x 2 = 516

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Firedrake969
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Lets try and solve really hard maths problems

jokebookservice1 wrote:

-ScratchOs wrote:

jokebookservice1 wrote:

-ScratchOs wrote:

∞ * 2 ≡ ∞
∞ + 2 ≡ ∞
∞ - 2 ≡ ∞
∞ / 2 ≡ ∞

All of these rules cannot apply to any real or not real number therefore ∞ is not a number
Which therefore means you cannot do those operations on it xD

exactly
No.. my point is that now the proof is invalid because you just did some operations that you couldn't
I'm fairly sure it's valid because it's proving a point by starting with assuming the opposite… I could be wrong though

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