(Updated) ST should consider featuring artworks made by artists . (Rethink the aim of Scratch - Not only for coders but also artists)

ilIusionator

taigasol1 wrote:
No support at all. This is a CODING website, not an art platform. A project is featured because it is CODED WELL, which is the point of the platform.

one of the current featured projects is an animation

_-Clover

Why is everyone hating on the art community sm?
So many people have their own talents and some of us just wanted to share our hard work on this platform.
We don’t care about being featured or seen,we just want to inspire others. That “one hour on their art lol” is hard work and creativity being put on a canvas. Art isn’t easy so don’t judge because talented artists make it look simple. I think ST probably doesn’t mind the art community because the point of scratch is also to share our creations and work. Coding IS a form of art and creativity and so is digital actual art. If you want to judge sm1, you can look at the people who steal art and code because they don’t bother to learn themselves. Maybe artists aren’t that strong in coding because that’s not what we learned but people who only focus on coding don’t know art very well either

WPONTA

_-Clover wrote:
(#42)
Why is everyone hating on the art community sm?
So many people have their own talents and some of us just wanted to share our hard work on this platform.
We don’t care about being featured or seen,we just want to inspire others. That “one hour on their art lol” is hard work and creativity being put on a canvas. Art isn’t easy so don’t judge because talented artists make it look simple. I think ST probably doesn’t mind the art community because the point of scratch is also to share our creations and work. Coding IS a form of art and creativity and so is digital actual art. If you want to judge sm1, you can look at the people who steal art and code because they don’t bother to learn themselves. Maybe artists aren’t that strong in coding because that’s not what we learned but people who only focus on coding don’t know art very well either

We're not hating the community,
The point of this topic is to give the art community a chance to shine to everyone (as most people in the site, including me before knowing about yours, have a little knowledge about the community)

WPONTA

WPONTA wrote:
_-Clover wrote:
(#42)
Why is everyone hating on the art community sm?
So many people have their own talents and some of us just wanted to share our hard work on this platform.
We don’t care about being featured or seen,we just want to inspire others. That “one hour on their art lol” is hard work and creativity being put on a canvas. Art isn’t easy so don’t judge because talented artists make it look simple. I think ST probably doesn’t mind the art community because the point of scratch is also to share our creations and work. Coding IS a form of art and creativity and so is digital actual art. If you want to judge sm1, you can look at the people who steal art and code because they don’t bother to learn themselves. Maybe artists aren’t that strong in coding because that’s not what we learned but people who only focus on coding don’t know art very well either
We're not hating the community,
The point of this topic is to give the art community a chance to shine to everyone (as most people in the site, including me before knowing about yours, have a little knowledge about the community)

Sorry for making artists like you upset, but I care a lot about your community. I've seen your talents, they are truly awesome and all of you inspired me a lot when making art to know what direction I should go for my futuree. The jokes I made above were meant to encourage the community to evolve into something that's close to our general community

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WPONTA

Anyways, this is easy to do and I think Scratch should try out this idea by featuring one of the arts I mentioned above.

aaliyaansfourthacc

taigasol1 wrote:
No support at all. This is a CODING website, not an art platform. A project is featured because it is CODED WELL, which is the point of the platform.

i agree, in scratch, ppl just post art dumps and all that (no hate)

WPONTA

aaliyaansfourthacc wrote:
(#46)
taigasol1 wrote:
No support at all. This is a CODING website, not an art platform. A project is featured because it is CODED WELL, which is the point of the platform.
i agree, in scratch, ppl just post art dumps and all that (no hate)

Please don't spread the hate on the art community, read the posts above

HaycatD

_-Clover wrote:
Why is everyone hating on the art community sm?
So many people have their own talents and some of us just wanted to share our hard work on this platform.
We don’t care about being featured or seen,we just want to inspire others. That “one hour on their art lol” is hard work and creativity being put on a canvas. Art isn’t easy so don’t judge because talented artists make it look simple. I think ST probably doesn’t mind the art community because the point of scratch is also to share our creations and work. Coding IS a form of art and creativity and so is digital actual art.

I dont believe its the hate, but rather the indignation of someone using your platform in a way that is relatively unconventional. Sure, its normal to the large and highly active art community, but to the ST who invented it as a coding platform, it is unconventional. Its hard to appreciate something, no matter how good it objectively is, if you feel like your dignity is threatened. I would argue that given artists lack of prominence DESPITE the highly active community (or enclave? Theres almost no overlap between artists and game-makers or technical scratchers on Scratch), the ST arent the right people to judge on art.

Also 1 hour on art is very very fast. Most digital artists take 4-6 hours per piece.

clover wrote:
Maybe artists aren’t that strong in coding because that’s not what we learned but people who only focus on coding don’t know art very well either

Which is the reason for the segregation of the game makers, artists, and technical scratchers community. Many people fall in one of these, very few fall in two, and I dont think anyone is capable of all 3.

clover wrote:
If you want to judge sm1, you can look at the people who steal art and code because they don’t bother to learn themselves.

And they still wont learn. I dont know if its laziness, internia or something else, but they simply refuse to help themselves by not learning. I personally will give in to the first user on Scratch in all of the art, games and technical community. Does this mean I am too lazy to learn art and how to make a good game?

I must try.

Last edited by HaycatD (Yesterday 06:57:03)

aaliyaansfourthacc

WPONTA wrote:
aaliyaansfourthacc wrote:
(#46)
taigasol1 wrote:
No support at all. This is a CODING website, not an art platform. A project is featured because it is CODED WELL, which is the point of the platform.
i agree, in scratch, ppl just post art dumps and all that (no hate)
Please don't spread the hate on the art community, read the posts above

i dont support ai, too! I HATE IT SO MUCH!! I BOYCOTT IT!! but ppl are just posting art art art like this isnt hatever art site ur using

OP: i misunderstood so SUPPORT!

THE AI AGE IS RISING AND PEOPLE ARE USING AI FOR IMAGES, VIDEOS, PRESENTATIONS, AND MORE!!! E NEED TO FIGHT BACK BY CREATIVE ART!!!!!

Last edited by aaliyaansfourthacc (Yesterday 08:48:03)

WPONTA

aaliyaansfourthacc wrote:
(#49)
WPONTA wrote:
aaliyaansfourthacc wrote:
(#46)
taigasol1 wrote:
No support at all. This is a CODING website, not an art platform. A project is featured because it is CODED WELL, which is the point of the platform.
i agree, in scratch, ppl just post art dumps and all that (no hate)
Please don't spread the hate on the art community, read the posts above
i dont support ai, too! I HATE IT SO MUCH!! I BOYCOTT IT!! but ppl are just posting art art art like this isnt hatever art site ur using

OP: i misunderstood so SUPPORT!

THE AI AGE IS RISING AND PEOPLE ARE USING AI FOR IMAGES, VIDEOS, PRESENTATIONS, AND MORE!!! E NEED TO FIGHT BACK BY CREATIVE ART!!!!!

Alright….

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RoseKitty-

I just think that they might not feature simply art since this is a coding website, But that doesn't mean they don't appreciate art! Ceebee recently has been favouriting a lot more art, plus I don't think it's fair to be judging people for doing art when it takes hours of effort..
About the pfp thing I guess it would be cool, but tbh I don't really care since it probably won't happen.

WPONTA

Added to the suggestion:
+ Rethink the aim of Scratch, it should work like (unsuitable language) (where people can share anything using Scratch tools)

Last edited by WPONTA (Yesterday 12:38:02)

AdaVesta_

RoseKitty- wrote:
I just think that they might not feature simply art since this is a coding website, But that doesn't mean they don't appreciate art! Ceebee recently has been favouriting a lot more art,

yes! about 2 weeks ago algorithmar faved my art without me even showing her it!

WPONTA

AdaVesta_ wrote:
(#53)
RoseKitty- wrote:
I just think that they might not feature simply art since this is a coding website, But that doesn't mean they don't appreciate art! Ceebee recently has been favouriting a lot more art,
yes! about 2 weeks ago algorithmar faved my art without me even showing her it!

Probably becuase you're an SMP member

-midnightnyx

frr like yk how long it takes to make a piece of art,, like in scratchtober one of the ideas were ABOUT MAKING ART,, so u cant rlly say that scratch is JUST a coding website,, i agree with clover, like scratch is a creative place, not just for coding but also for art, and sharing ideas! lets say for example, insta isnt an art program, but ppl post art on there, youtube, and so many more,, there are so many young artists on here and its like ur crushing their dreams, like da and pin are quite old for some ppl on here,, like isnt scratch about sharing ur ideas with everyone,, its not a contest who gets the most followers or hearts/stars ykk,, and for me art is a really big part of my personality,, and coding too! i do python coding and am learning javascript <3 but bro lets be nice and share our work with everyone!! like it doesn't matter if its art or coding/ if ur proud of it, in the end its just hearts and stars,, like yeah!! soz if this doesnt make sense,,,

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AdaVesta_

WPONTA wrote:
AdaVesta_ wrote:
(#53)
RoseKitty- wrote:
I just think that they might not feature simply art since this is a coding website, But that doesn't mean they don't appreciate art! Ceebee recently has been favouriting a lot more art,
yes! about 2 weeks ago algorithmar faved my art without me even showing her it!
Probably becuase you're an SMP member

she doesn't associate with the smp, btw. it's only ceebee…

IceGamerUltra

As someone who was very, very surprised when the ST featured that tutorial project, and checked it out the very first day it was up on the homepage, I do suspect featuring art would probably not end well. Animations on the other hand are generally considered by the community to be different from art; and while I and many other users don't fully agree on that, animations do have quite a few differences:

- Animations consist of multiple frames of art, sometimes combined with coding for moving certain pieces
- Animations often are meant to have a gag, something like slipping on a banana, falling down stairs, etc., and still pieces of art don't have that, unless they're comics.
- There's even some people who think scratch is only for coding, and they tend to not like animations OR art.

Overall, I'd guess featuring art that isn't a parralax (sorry I don't know how to spell) or animation wouldn't really end well for the project creator and possibly the ST, especially after that tutorial feature. People don't appreciate the art enough on it's own, and the whole purpose for scratch is to teach kids how to code. Art is still allowed, but I don't think re-thinking the aim of scratch is really a good idea.

CSwitch

What if there were different rows on the home page for each type of featured project, like:

Featured Games
Featured Animations
Featured Art

That way, different kinds of featured projects can receive the same amount of recognition! They don't need to use this list, though. It's only an example.

IceGamerUltra

CSwitch wrote:
What if there were different rows on the home page for each type of featured project, like:
Featured Games
Featured Animations
Featured Art
That way, different kinds of featured projects can receive the same amount of recognition! They don't need to use this list, though. It's only an example.

That's actually a pretty good idea. I mean featured art might still get flamed on but probably a lot less since it'll be on a different row from the animations and games.

AdaVesta_

CSwitch wrote:
What if there were different rows on the home page for each type of featured project, like:
Featured Games
Featured Animations
Featured Art
That way, different kinds of featured projects can receive the same amount of recognition! They don't need to use this list, though. It's only an example.

lowk a good idea

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