Why was the remix tree removed?

medians

SMG4fan7236 wrote:
My topic explains why it was removed

Yeah, but why is the suggestion completely rejected? (I'm just confused because there wasn't a reason provided)
Would the rejection include just making a remixtree (or a similar page) but removing the info that the API had and stuff like that?

Jeffalo wrote:
this is a real shame because i think the remixtree is the most ‘scratch’ feature possible. it is the visual representation of the scratch philosophy and i really hope they consider reimplementing the remix tree in a ‘scratch 4.0’.

Also, I feel like they could have fixed these specific problems and removed it temporarily without rejecting it.

Last edited by medians (Oct. 18, 2025 23:36:49)

notashplacingblocks

its a shame since they removed the remix tree entirely, they could've kept the data and made it so the remix tree page doesn't pop up, due to them removing it websites like lunarsphere no longer work and due to that no one can really know how long a remix chain is. also scratch has been very silent about them removing remix trees probably because only like a slim amount of users know about remix trees so they just removed them, but why did they wait until now to remove them completely? they removed the remix tree button in scratch 3.0 but you could still access them through typing (you cant say that now i think) at the end of any project link, also they have made it impossible to say remix tree links at all, it says that its not appropriate for some reason.

charliechooch101015

#BRINGREMIXTREEBACK

129waterfall

Sorry, quotes in this post have been tweaked (though they still hold the original meaning) just because filterbot was flagging this and I couldn't figure out why.

Yes, now when you add remixtree it just goes to the remixes page.

I just noticed this while trying to look through my remixes. Personally the remix tree was helpful because the remixes page didn't update as fast as the remixes did. (Remixtree updated almost instantly while remixes page can take up to a couple days.) This is inconvenient to anyone trying to view a lot of remixes.

I also agree with this argument a lot:

Jeffalo wrote:
i think the remixtree is the most ‘scratch’ feature possible. it is the visual representation of the scratch philosophy

The visual of seeing where a project went through a chain on a remix tree was insightful, interesting, and was a great way of embracing Scratch remix culture.

MagicCoder330 wrote:
The remix tree showed remixes made by (gone) accounts so some previews were still available.

While I completely support getting rid of this ^^ especially because I experienced this remixing myself, I hope taking down the remix tree is only temporary to fix that bug rather than a feature that is permanently gone, it would be a shame to see it go <3

Last edited by 129waterfall (Oct. 19, 2025 01:50:31)

Amazingfish8

129waterfall wrote:
MagicCoder330 wrote:
The remix tree showed remixes made by (gone) accounts so some previews were still available.
While I completely support getting rid of this ^^ especially because I experienced this remixing myself, I hope taking down the remix tree is only temporary to fix that bug rather than a feature that is permanently gone, it would be a shame to see it go <3

I agree, in my opinion they should try to find a work around instead of deleting such a cool feature.

Sure it might be hard but they’ve already deleted something that probably took a bunch of work

redspacecat

I was under the impression that remixes made by deleted accounts or since deleted/unshared projects only showed that there was a project there, with no other data. That was nice because it let you see remix chains that had a break in the middle.

I haven't found a solution for it, but it's pretty annoying.

Amazingfish8

redspacecat wrote:
I was under the impression that remixes made by deleted accounts or since deleted/unshared projects only showed that there was a project there, with no other data. That was nice because it let you see remix chains that had a break in the middle.

I haven't found a solution for it, but it's pretty annoying.

I feel like they should try to make it like that (instead of showing the title they could show idk (banned project) or (deleted project)

redspacecat

Amazingfish8 wrote:
redspacecat wrote:
I was under the impression that remixes made by deleted accounts or since deleted/unshared projects only showed that there was a project there, with no other data. That was nice because it let you see remix chains that had a break in the middle.

I haven't found a solution for it, but it's pretty annoying.

I feel like they should try to make it like that (instead of showing the title they could show idk (banned project) or (deleted project)

As far as I can remember, it just showed, “project unavailable” but people are saying otherwise so either it got changed or I'm misremembering.

Amazingfish8

redspacecat wrote:
Amazingfish8 wrote:
redspacecat wrote:
I was under the impression that remixes made by deleted accounts or since deleted/unshared projects only showed that there was a project there, with no other data. That was nice because it let you see remix chains that had a break in the middle.

I haven't found a solution for it, but it's pretty annoying.

I feel like they should try to make it like that (instead of showing the title they could show idk (banned project) or (deleted project)
As far as I can remember, it just showed, “project unavailable” but people are saying otherwise so either it got changed or I'm misremembering.

Tbh if they had just done that, then it would prob be way more easier instead they deleted a big set of code which probably took them ages to make

NoUsername-King

Amazingfish8 wrote:
(#29)
redspacecat wrote:
As far as I can remember, it just showed, “project unavailable” but people are saying otherwise so either it got changed or I'm misremembering.

Tbh if they had just done that, then it would prob be way more easier instead they deleted a big set of code which probably took them ages to make

They did do that. If you looked at any popular project's remixtree, you'd see plenty of “no longer available” project with a greyed scratch cat picture. I don't remember if that was just for unshared projects, NFE projects, banned users, or all those, but it did exist.

Last edited by NoUsername-King (Oct. 19, 2025 22:38:20)

Amazingfish8

NoUsername-King wrote:
Amazingfish8 wrote:
(#29)
redspacecat wrote:
As far as I can remember, it just showed, “project unavailable” but people are saying otherwise so either it got changed or I'm misremembering.

Tbh if they had just done that, then it would prob be way more easier instead they deleted a big set of code which probably took them ages to make
They did do that. If you looked at any popular project's remixtree, you'd see plenty of “no longer unavailable” project with a greyed scratch cat picture. I don't remember if that was just for unshared projects, NFE projects, banned users, or all those, but it did exist.

…. THEN WHY DID THEY DELETE THE ENTIRE FEATURE AND REPLACE IT WITH A BLAND REMIX PAGE?????? (in my personal opinion the remix tree was way more lively then..the remix page.. and it was way more helpful {because you could check remixes of remixes aswell without having to go to that specific remix})

leonardios_Terraria

man, they better fix this. it's a huuuuge inconvenience to remix culture as a whole, and if they remove it, it is disrespect towards the community.

TimothyLawyer

i wonder if there was a delay between when a project was deleted and it stopped appearing in the remix tree. that could be why they removed it.

leonardios_Terraria wrote:
man, they better fix this. it's a huuuuge inconvenience to remix culture as a whole, and if they remove it, it is disrespect towards the community.

i don't feel disrespected by its removal, but it was a cool feature

QAWIE

BRING. THE. REMIX. TREE. BACK, SCRATCH!

i also found the man that caused this https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/843340/?page=1#post-8756765

Last edited by QAWIE (Oct. 19, 2025 22:48:52)

mingo-gag

QAWIE wrote:
BRING. THE. REMIX. TREE. BACK, SCRATCH!

i also found the man that caused this https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/843340/?page=1#post-8756765

That's not really the cause

Anyways, shouldn't this be closed by now? We know the answer.

notashplacingblocks

SMG4fan7236 wrote:
My topic explains why it was removed

now i have a solution that could've worked instead of deleting remix trees entirely, 1. make it so when accounts get deleted, their project shows up as “page not found” or something so projects made by veryrealteacher wouldn't show up. 2. just hide the remix tree page and keep all of the data, websites like lunarsphere don't work anymore due to the removal of remix trees and lunarsphere is very useful to find a project in a remix chain that is so far down or can't be accessed by going back to the other remix. since the damage has already been done and remix trees are gone now, its kinda too late to do any of this stuff. but i can see why you wanted them removed but this could've been solved in different ways.

colinmacc

NoUsername-King wrote:
I just want to add something, NFE detectors completely relied on the remixtree API to function, because a projects review status was sent with the remixtree for some reason. The only other ways to determine if a project is NFE are unreliable or take a long time to update.

I feel that this is the reason remix trees were removed.

Although this is a shame, is there even any point to having an NFE status anymore?

The Explore pages are frozen, no projects are getting indexed for search, and the Community Remixes and Community Loves categories have been removed from the front-page.

And cloud variables are down again.

You can't help but feel that parts of Scratch are slowly breaking and becoming less functional and there doesn't seem to be the will to improve anything.

nembence

I've found this:
Bugs and Glitches » Remix tree was redirected into remixes

Paddle2See wrote:
Sorry - this is not a bug. That feature was removed back when we moved to 3.0. It remained accessible through the URL for a while. But it has not been a feature and it has not been supported. It was finally redirected when it was noted that it was possible (in some cases) to see deleted content through the remix tree.

Rosics

Coolboy0516 wrote:
Why not simply put something like this?\
if <[user] = [banned]> then 
  dont show thumbnail
else
do show that thumbnail
end

or

let user = 'banned'
if(user === 'banned') {
dontshowthumbnail();
} else if {
doshowthatthumbnail();
end

Last edited by Rosics (Oct. 20, 2025 11:24:16)

mingo-gag

nembence wrote:
I've found this:
Bugs and Glitches » Remix tree was redirected into remixes
Paddle2See wrote:
Sorry - this is not a bug. That feature was removed back when we moved to 3.0. It remained accessible through the URL for a while. But it has not been a feature and it has not been supported. It was finally redirected when it was noted that it was possible (in some cases) to see deleted content through the remix tree.

Well, it does make sense we have over 150 million users, you think all of them know that Remix Tree exists, and the Scratch Foundation must have paid for the Remix Tree server to stay up

However, the issue is that this has not only affected remixtrees but also the users who have remixtree in their username. I don't know how this could have happened. Was this rushed?

Last edited by mingo-gag (Oct. 20, 2025 11:33:36)

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