I thought it would be fun to have a topic where we could talk about computers, as well as other fun tech stuff. I'm pretty hardware savvy, and I built my first computer recently. If anyone here likes to talk about computer specs, or whatever other fun tech stuff, I'd love to hear it. That's why I made this topic.

Ah, to be young and just getting into computing. Well, I'm still fairly young but I've come out the other side of bothering about computer hardware. Things have rather stagnated over the last decade or so. They've improved, certainly, but it's not the difference between a second-hand 400 MHz Pentium II and a 2083 MHz Athlon XP 2800+.

These days I'm more bothered about what kind of software is available. I went for a Macbook Pro specifically for access to Final Cut Pro, for example.

Raspberry Pi stuff fascinates me though - the ability to easily connect the physical world to the digital is brilliant. It's not unique to the RPi of course but there's nothing else with the community and software support that exists for it.

Spawle wrote:

I thought it would be fun to have a forum where we could talk about computers

“Forum” and “topic” aren't interchangeable - “Things I'm Making and Creating” is a forum

Flamekebab wrote:

Ah, to be young and just getting into computing. Well, I'm still fairly young but I've come out the other side of bothering about computer hardware. Things have rather stagnated over the last decade or so. They've improved, certainly, but it's not the difference between a second-hand 400 MHz Pentium II and a 2083 MHz Athlon XP 2800+.

These days I'm more bothered about what kind of software is available. I went for a Macbook Pro specifically for access to Final Cut Pro, for example.

Raspberry Pi stuff fascinates me though - the ability to easily connect the physical world to the digital is brilliant. It's not unique to the RPi of course but there's nothing else with the community and software support that exists for it.

Spawle wrote:

I thought it would be fun to have a forum where we could talk about computers

“Forum” and “topic” aren't interchangeable - “Things I'm Making and Creating” is a forum

Sorry about that. Well, it's nice that someone started talking on this topic really fast. I'm not really into MacBooks, personally (I'm not calling it “bad”) because they have terrible value for the hardware (other than the exterior) inside. The $3200 MacBook Pro only has a GTX 750M. They do look beautiful, though, and apple has some really nice software. I wish that all software was available for all OS's. I

I can tell that you're a bit older than me, have some greater knowledge. As far as I know, I've never owned an AMD chip. I like Intel, although for build I should have gone for the FX-6300 rather than the Pentium G3258. The 6300 has 6 cores, while the Pentium only has 2 cores and no hyperthreading. Which hurts multitasking.

Spawle wrote:

I'm not really into MacBooks, personally (I'm not calling it “bad”) because they have terrible value for the hardware (other than the exterior) inside. The $3200 MacBook Pro only has a GTX 750M.

In terms of hardware you're absolutely right. In terms of complete products I'd disagree.

Back in the day I would have absolutely agreed with you because hardware power was important. These days I can barely see any difference between hardware from 2010 and 2015. To put it in terms of vehicles - a top speed of 200 mph doesn't matter if the speed limit never goes above 70.

What matters now, at least for me, is how well a tool does its job. Most software I use is available on all three major OSs. Given a choice of system architecture I always favour *nix-related systems over the mess that is Windows.

Linux is good but I've yet to find a powerful video editing program on it that I get along with, at least for HD video. Windows has a variety but Adobe Premiere is one of the big ones. Unfortunately Premiere is absolutely terrible in my experience with it.

Final Cut Pro is currently my favourite and that's only available on OSX. So that's a point in the favour of a Mac for me personally.

So why not build a Hackintosh? It'd be cheaper.

For that I turn to two different points - complete package and resale value. Much like consoles the hardware in a Mac is a known quantity. The OS doesn't have to be built to cater to whatever hardware it wakes up to. The systems could be called beautiful, if that's your thing, but for me it's more about how they're engineered. I've used Windows laptops and Linux laptops extensively. They don't come close to the same build quality. I wanted something I could take with me whilst I travel so that eliminates a desktop and in my experience laptops develop heat issues after a while (specifically two years). Getting them fixed is a nightmare and the manufacturers make so many different models as to make getting anything replaced a penance.

With a Mac I can walk into one of their shops and deal with someone directly. Normally I prefer to do things online but when it's returns I want to be able to hold the company accountable. In my experience it's sadly necessary. If they have to deal with someone coming in person to hassle them they get things done properly

Secondly Macs hold their value unlike anything else. When I want to upgrade I'll be able to sell this one and just pay a few hundred pounds for a better one. That's a pretty big deal coming from a world of hardware that immediately loses its value.

Spawle wrote:

They do look beautiful, though, and apple has some really nice software. I wish that all software was available for all OSs.

Never going to happen, sadly. The reason being the concept of unique selling points. I favour open source projects for that reason though. I'm sure I could do DTP work in something else but Scribus is available on many platforms making collaboration easier (and making my workflow portable).

Spawle wrote:

I can tell that you're a bit older than me, have some greater knowledge. As far as I know, I've never owned an AMD chip. I like Intel, although for build I should have gone for the FX-6300 rather than the Pentium G3258. The 6300 has 6 cores, while the Pentium only has 2 cores and no hyperthreading. Which hurts multitasking.

I honestly didn't know HT was still around. I looked it up and it seems it's falling out of favour but that could just be that specific family of processors rather than all Intel ones. As I said, I don't really keep up with the nitty-gritty of this stuff any more.

What aspect of hardware interests you? What do you want all that power for?

Flamekebab wrote:

Spawle wrote:

I'm not really into MacBooks, personally (I'm not calling it “bad”) because they have terrible value for the hardware (other than the exterior) inside. The $3200 MacBook Pro only has a GTX 750M.

In terms of hardware you're absolutely right. In terms of complete products I'd disagree.

Back in the day I would have absolutely agreed with you because hardware power was important. These days I can barely see any difference between hardware from 2010 and 2015. To put it in terms of vehicles - a top speed of 200 mph doesn't matter if the speed limit never goes above 70.

What matters now, at least for me, is how well a tool does its job. Most software I use is available on all three major OSs. Given a choice of system architecture I always favour *nix-related systems over the mess that is Windows.

Linux is good but I've yet to find a powerful video editing program on it that I get along with, at least for HD video. Windows has a variety but Adobe Premiere is one of the big ones. Unfortunately Premiere is absolutely terrible in my experience with it.

Final Cut Pro is currently my favourite and that's only available on OSX. So that's a point in the favour of a Mac for me personally.

So why not build a Hackintosh? It'd be cheaper.

For that I turn to two different points - complete package and resale value. Much like consoles the hardware in a Mac is a known quantity. The OS doesn't have to be built to cater to whatever hardware it wakes up to. The systems could be called beautiful, if that's your thing, but for me it's more about how they're engineered. I've used Windows laptops and Linux laptops extensively. They don't come close to the same build quality. I wanted something I could take with me whilst I travel so that eliminates a desktop and in my experience laptops develop heat issues after a while (specifically two years). Getting them fixed is a nightmare and the manufacturers make so many different models as to make getting anything replaced a penance.

With a Mac I can walk into one of their shops and deal with someone directly. Normally I prefer to do things online but when it's returns I want to be able to hold the company accountable. In my experience it's sadly necessary. If they have to deal with someone coming in person to hassle them they get things done properly

Secondly Macs hold their value unlike anything else. When I want to upgrade I'll be able to sell this one and just pay a few hundred pounds for a better one. That's a pretty big deal coming from a world of hardware that immediately loses its value.

Spawle wrote:

They do look beautiful, though, and apple has some really nice software. I wish that all software was available for all OSs.

Never going to happen, sadly. The reason being the concept of unique selling points. I favour open source projects for that reason though. I'm sure I could do DTP work in something else but Scribus is available on many platforms making collaboration easier (and making my workflow portable).

Spawle wrote:

I can tell that you're a bit older than me, have some greater knowledge. As far as I know, I've never owned an AMD chip. I like Intel, although for build I should have gone for the FX-6300 rather than the Pentium G3258. The 6300 has 6 cores, while the Pentium only has 2 cores and no hyperthreading. Which hurts multitasking.

I honestly didn't know HT was still around. I looked it up and it seems it's falling out of favour but that could just be that specific family of processors rather than all Intel ones. As I said, I don't really keep up with the nitty-gritty of this stuff any more.

What aspect of hardware interests you? What do you want all that power for?

I'm sort of a gamer. I like powerful hardware. Personally, graphics cards really interest me. On pcpartpicker.com I like to make builds for fun. I've only built one computer, but I've made a ton of possible builds on that website, that I've made to be the best value at a certain budget ($500, $1000, $2000, $10,000). I find it quite entertaining.

Hyperthreading is not going out of style yet, as far as I know. A lot of i3's have it, and so do lots of i5's (although many with four cores just skip it). I'm pretty sure that i7's are “required” to have hyperthreading. I usually don't need more than two cores with hyperthreading, but if you offer it to me for free, sure I'll take it.

Sorry this is all out of order, I'm just responding to random things you've said.

I don't think Windows is really a mess, and a lot of companies have quite reliable hardware/customer service. Before my current laptop, I had a Toshiba Satellite (which wasn't great, 2 gigs of ram, a Celeron,etc.) and I had to send it in twice after receiving it because it had problems booting. I'm not saying that Toshiba makes bad computer, just I think we got a lemon. Anyways, Windows isn't bad. I don't have problems with it, I don't have problems with OSX. They're both fine, at least for me. Some hardware stores, like Microcenter, are popular for fixing laptops and the like.

Build quality - There are plenty of Windows laptops with good build quality.

I've never used Linux.

Spawle wrote:

I don't think Windows is really a mess

Then you've not used it enough

In all seriousness it has no end of problems. The other systems aren't perfect easier but having used all three extensively (I have least experience with OSX - somewhere between 3000 and 5000 hours) Windows is the one that most lets me down. The way it's built means that tracing and fixing a problem is intensely difficult, something that aggravates me no end.

Windows wouldn't be anywhere near as bad if it was as modular as Linux can be but sadly it's not.

Don't like Explorer for file management? Too bad, it can't be uninstalled.
Had the system up and running for a few days? Stuff's going to get unstable for no apparent reason.

The only advantage I see to using Windows is the larger gaming library and thankfully that advantage is being eroded over time

Spawle wrote:

…and a lot of companies have quite reliable hardware/customer service.

None of them have a physical retailer I can take the device into. There's third party places that will have a go but that's not the kind of thing I'm talking about.

Without fail every laptop I've used properly (that is, as my main machine) has developed heat issues. My other half's laptop is on its way out for the same reason. These sorts of problems shouldn't happen but they do and when I've tried to get them fixed I've been handed a invoice for the repair work. I didn't mind paying for my screen replacement when I broke it (through an incident involving a brand new external hard disk that also didn't survive the event!) - that was my fault. What I take umbrage at is when I'm told that the heating issues are my fault and any attempts to talk to anyone about the problem are met with stonewalling.

So for me the fact that there is a physical place that exists exclusively for that product matters. If it was a desktop then I'd just switch the parts out myself - that stuff is easy after all. Laptops aren't generally built to allow for that sort of thing though (except as a gimmick).

Importantly a desktop doesn't cost much to build. Laptops are a special case. There's so much money tied up in a single device and if one major part fails it's a problem.

Flamekebab wrote:

Spawle wrote:

I don't think Windows is really a mess

Then you've not used it enough

In all seriousness it has no end of problems. The other systems aren't perfect easier but having used all three extensively (I have least experience with OSX - somewhere between 3000 and 5000 hours) Windows is the one that most lets me down. The way it's built means that tracing and fixing a problem is intensely difficult, something that aggravates me no end.

Windows wouldn't be anywhere near as bad if it was as modular as Linux can be but sadly it's not.

Don't like Explorer for file management? Too bad, it can't be uninstalled.
Had the system up and running for a few days? Stuff's going to get unstable for no apparent reason.

The only advantage I see to using Windows is the larger gaming library and thankfully that advantage is being eroded over time

Spawle wrote:

…and a lot of companies have quite reliable hardware/customer service.

None of them have a physical retailer I can take the device into. There's third party places that will have a go but that's not the kind of thing I'm talking about.

Without fail every laptop I've used properly (that is, as my main machine) has developed heat issues. My other half's laptop is on its way out for the same reason. These sorts of problems shouldn't happen but they do and when I've tried to get them fixed I've been handed a invoice for the repair work. I didn't mind paying for my screen replacement when I broke it (through an incident involving a brand new external hard disk that also didn't survive the event!) - that was my fault. What I take umbrage at is when I'm told that the heating issues are my fault and any attempts to talk to anyone about the problem are met with stonewalling.

So for me the fact that there is a physical place that exists exclusively for that product matters. If it was a desktop then I'd just switch the parts out myself - that stuff is easy after all. Laptops aren't generally built to allow for that sort of thing though (except as a gimmick).

Importantly a desktop doesn't cost much to build. Laptops are a special case. There's so much money tied up in a single device and if one major part fails it's a problem.

I've never had a serious problem with Windows. I like Windows explorer.

A lot of laptops, like the ASUS ROG G751 (I think that's what it's called) has fantastic cooling.

The problems develop at 24 months. It's quite impressive how consistent the problem is!

Flamekebab wrote:

The problems develop at 24 months. It's quite impressive how consistent the problem is!

Maybe a lot of dust is getting in.

Perhaps but I would suspect it's more to do with the conduction medium needing to be replaced at the very least. The larger problem is that they're not built with the expectation that they'll see a lot of use. Daft, I know, but it has been my experience.

My first computer ever (I bought it in late 2012, I think) was an Optiplex GX260 with Windows XP. It had a 1.8 GHz Pentium 4 and 1 GB of RAM. It ran XP well. My second computer which I got about year later, (I didn't buy it) was an Optiplex GX620, again with WXP. It had a 3.4 GHz P4 and 2 GB of RAM. It also came with a 128 MB GPU (surprisingly in the PCI-E port). I upgraded it to 3 GB of RAM (DDR2-533) and a GeForce 8400 GS. My computer now is the one I built, with a quad-core Intel Core i5, 8 GB of RAM, and a GeForce 750 Ti SC (overclocked a bit more).

In the future, I plan on getting the Ultimate kit for the new quad-core RPI, but I'm not sure what I'm going to do yet.

gigapouch wrote:

My first computer ever (I bought it in late 2012, I think) was an Optiplex GX260 with Windows XP. It had a 1.8 GHz Pentium 4 and 1 GB of RAM. It ran XP well. My second computer which I got about year later, (I didn't buy it) was an Optiplex GX620, again with WXP. It had a 3.4 GHz P4 and 2 GB of RAM. It also came with a 128 MB GPU (surprisingly in the PCI-E port). I upgraded it to 3 GB of RAM (DDR2-533) and a GeForce 8400 GS. My computer now is the one I built, with a quad-core Intel Core i5, 8 GB of RAM, and a GeForce 750 Ti SC (overclocked a bit more).

In the future, I plan on getting the Ultimate kit for the new quad-core RPI, but I'm not sure what I'm going to do yet.

Nice job. But I woulda gone with an i3 so I could spend more on the GPU. I'm surprised with the 2012 specs, weren't those already “bad”? I'm giong to guess you bought in seconds hand. Anyways, it's great to see more computer builders out there! Can you give me a list of your specs?

Spawle wrote:

gigapouch wrote:

My first computer ever (I bought it in late 2012, I think) was an Optiplex GX260 with Windows XP. It had a 1.8 GHz Pentium 4 and 1 GB of RAM. It ran XP well. My second computer which I got about year later, (I didn't buy it) was an Optiplex GX620, again with WXP. It had a 3.4 GHz P4 and 2 GB of RAM. It also came with a 128 MB GPU (surprisingly in the PCI-E port). I upgraded it to 3 GB of RAM (DDR2-533) and a GeForce 8400 GS. My computer now is the one I built, with a quad-core Intel Core i5, 8 GB of RAM, and a GeForce 750 Ti SC (overclocked a bit more).

In the future, I plan on getting the Ultimate kit for the new quad-core RPI, but I'm not sure what I'm going to do yet.

Nice job. But I woulda gone with an i3 so I could spend more on the GPU. I'm surprised with the 2012 specs, weren't those already “bad”? I'm giong to guess you bought in seconds hand. Anyways, it's great to see more computer builders out there! Can you give me a list of your specs?

Never mind, it's on your profile.

I don't know anything about computers, but I like them. That's a start, right?
Last time I tried to repair a Electronic that was heating up too much, it sorta sparked and when I left it alone, it exploded. Pretty old model though. Amazing Hardware for a while until newer technology kicked in. I think it was a Windows XP Touchpad or something. Not enough software as I had it set to the Android. Anyone tell me how to fix a short circuited tablet?

SoccerUnicorn wrote:

I don't know anything about computers, but I like them. That's a start, right?
Last time I tried to repair a Electronic that was heating up too much, it sorta sparked and when I left it alone, it exploded. Pretty old model though. Amazing Hardware for a while until newer technology kicked in. I think it was a Windows XP Touchpad or something. Not enough software as I had it set to the Android. Anyone tell me how to fix a short circuited tablet?

Hmm. If you're okay with opening it up, you could remove where there is a direct connection between the positive and the negative.

I started to study Computers and how to build them about a month ago and now my dad thinks i`m ready to build one myself.
So i studied the parts and my dad set a goal for me which was to spend less than 800$
Here are the the parts that i will be using
Case: Draco mid tower case
Processer: AMD FX-4300 3.8GHz Processor
Motherboard: 760G Motherboard
OS: Windows 8.1
Memory: 16 GB RAM
HDD: 1TB
Video Card: NVIDIA GTX 960 4GB GDDR5
All of the stuff totals in 765$
After that my dad toke me to Best Buy and we found a PC with almost the same stuff and was 1200$
We will get the parts soon.

Spawle wrote:

Spawle wrote:

gigapouch wrote:

My first computer ever (I bought it in late 2012, I think) was an Optiplex GX260 with Windows XP. It had a 1.8 GHz Pentium 4 and 1 GB of RAM. It ran XP well. My second computer which I got about year later, (I didn't buy it) was an Optiplex GX620, again with WXP. It had a 3.4 GHz P4 and 2 GB of RAM. It also came with a 128 MB GPU (surprisingly in the PCI-E port). I upgraded it to 3 GB of RAM (DDR2-533) and a GeForce 8400 GS. My computer now is the one I built, with a quad-core Intel Core i5, 8 GB of RAM, and a GeForce 750 Ti SC (overclocked a bit more).

In the future, I plan on getting the Ultimate kit for the new quad-core RPI, but I'm not sure what I'm going to do yet.

Nice job. But I woulda gone with an i3 so I could spend more on the GPU. I'm surprised with the 2012 specs, weren't those already “bad”? I'm giong to guess you bought in seconds hand. Anyways, it's great to see more computer builders out there! Can you give me a list of your specs?

Never mind, it's on your profile.

This is my current main computer: https://pcpartpicker.com/b/nkRG3C

neko989 wrote:

I started to study Computers and how to build them about a month ago and now my dad thinks i`m ready to build one myself.
So i studied the parts and my dad set a goal for me which was to spend less than 800$
Here are the the parts that i will be using
Case: Draco mid tower case
Processer: AMD FX-4300 3.8GHz Processor
Motherboard: 760G Motherboard
OS: Windows 8.1
Memory: 16 GB RAM
HDD: 1TB
Video Card: NVIDIA GTX 960 4GB GDDR5
All of the stuff totals in 765$
After that my dad toke me to Best Buy and we found a PC with almost the same stuff and was 1200$
We will get the parts soon.

In the future, use pcpartpicker because it helps organize stuff and tells you the best prices.

Here's what I'd recommend. It has a much better Intel processor, and Windows 10. I switched out the case because I couldn't find it on PCPP, and the one you chose also had really bad reviews. You also forgot a power supply, so your computer won't work at all. This SeaSonic one is fairly inexpensive and SeaSonic is about as good and reliable as you get. Plus, it's modular so your computer will look nice. Also, your build didn't have wireless networking, which I have added. I added two fans for good airflow in the case (one is included with the case, so 3 total). Put two in the bottom front and one in the back top.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pjPzTW
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pjPzTW/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($176.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H81M-S2H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($49.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($78.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.78 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 960 2GB Superclocked Video Card ($186.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair SPEC-02 ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($60.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($89.75 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WN721N 802.11b/g/n USB 2.0 Wi-Fi Adapter ($10.34 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Cooler Master SickleFlow 69.7 CFM 120mm Fan ($5.99 @ NCIX US)
Case Fan: Cooler Master SickleFlow 69.7 CFM 120mm Fan ($5.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $790.57
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-29 13:11 EDT-0400

Don't forget you'll need a monitor. You don't list it as part of the $800 so I didn't include it.

Spawle wrote:

neko989 wrote:

I started to study Computers and how to build them about a month ago and now my dad thinks i`m ready to build one myself.
So i studied the parts and my dad set a goal for me which was to spend less than 800$
Here are the the parts that i will be using
Case: Draco mid tower case
Processer: AMD FX-4300 3.8GHz Processor
Motherboard: 760G Motherboard
OS: Windows 8.1
Memory: 16 GB RAM
HDD: 1TB
Video Card: NVIDIA GTX 960 4GB GDDR5
All of the stuff totals in 765$
After that my dad toke me to Best Buy and we found a PC with almost the same stuff and was 1200$
We will get the parts soon.

In the future, use pcpartpicker because it helps organize stuff and tells you the best prices.

Here's what I'd recommend. It has a much better Intel processor, and Windows 10. I switched out the case because I couldn't find it on PCPP, and the one you chose also had really bad reviews. You also forgot a power supply, so your computer won't work at all. This SeaSonic one is fairly inexpensive and SeaSonic is about as good and reliable as you get. Plus, it's modular so your computer will look nice. Also, your build didn't have wireless networking, which I have added. I added two fans for good airflow in the case (one is included with the case, so 3 total). Put two in the bottom front and one in the back top.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pjPzTW
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pjPzTW/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($176.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H81M-S2H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($49.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($78.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.78 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 960 2GB Superclocked Video Card ($186.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair SPEC-02 ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($60.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($89.75 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WN721N 802.11b/g/n USB 2.0 Wi-Fi Adapter ($10.34 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Cooler Master SickleFlow 69.7 CFM 120mm Fan ($5.99 @ NCIX US)
Case Fan: Cooler Master SickleFlow 69.7 CFM 120mm Fan ($5.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $790.57
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-29 13:11 EDT-0400

Don't forget you'll need a monitor. You don't list it as part of the $800 so I didn't include it.

Just get Windows 7. There's so many problems and privacy issues with 10.

gigapouch wrote:

Spawle wrote:

neko989 wrote:

I started to study Computers and how to build them about a month ago and now my dad thinks i`m ready to build one myself.
So i studied the parts and my dad set a goal for me which was to spend less than 800$
Here are the the parts that i will be using
Case: Draco mid tower case
Processer: AMD FX-4300 3.8GHz Processor
Motherboard: 760G Motherboard
OS: Windows 8.1
Memory: 16 GB RAM
HDD: 1TB
Video Card: NVIDIA GTX 960 4GB GDDR5
All of the stuff totals in 765$
After that my dad toke me to Best Buy and we found a PC with almost the same stuff and was 1200$
We will get the parts soon.

In the future, use pcpartpicker because it helps organize stuff and tells you the best prices.

Here's what I'd recommend. It has a much better Intel processor, and Windows 10. I switched out the case because I couldn't find it on PCPP, and the one you chose also had really bad reviews. You also forgot a power supply, so your computer won't work at all. This SeaSonic one is fairly inexpensive and SeaSonic is about as good and reliable as you get. Plus, it's modular so your computer will look nice. Also, your build didn't have wireless networking, which I have added. I added two fans for good airflow in the case (one is included with the case, so 3 total). Put two in the bottom front and one in the back top.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pjPzTW
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pjPzTW/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($176.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H81M-S2H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($49.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($78.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.78 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 960 2GB Superclocked Video Card ($186.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair SPEC-02 ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($60.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($89.75 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WN721N 802.11b/g/n USB 2.0 Wi-Fi Adapter ($10.34 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Cooler Master SickleFlow 69.7 CFM 120mm Fan ($5.99 @ NCIX US)
Case Fan: Cooler Master SickleFlow 69.7 CFM 120mm Fan ($5.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $790.57
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-29 13:11 EDT-0400

Don't forget you'll need a monitor. You don't list it as part of the $800 so I didn't include it.

Just get Windows 7. There's so many problems and privacy issues with 10.

I`m fine with Windows 7, It`s my favorite OS