Sheep_maker wrote:

BigNate469 wrote:

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Yeah, so the major version bump is more of a brand change for marketing purposes, rather than representing a technical overhaul. Adding a chatbot or some other AI-powered feature to the Scratch 3.0 editor and website would've just been another update to Scratch 3.0 if there weren't some external forces at play. The question is who they're marketing to (probably not its users)

It's also unlikely that they're the ones building the data centers for hosting and running the LLMs, but they'd also really need to make sure the LLMs are compliant with data privacy laws since presumably they're making them available for children to use. I wonder if Scratch 4.0 will be available in the EU

BigNate469 wrote:

Sheep_maker wrote:

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It's also unlikely that they're the ones building the data centers for hosting and running the LLMs, but they'd also really need to make sure the LLMs are compliant with data privacy laws since presumably they're making them available for children to use. I wonder if Scratch 4.0 will be available in the EU

Honestly, the ST has been pretty good about data privacy stuff- you have the option to delete your stuff at any time pretty easily. I don't see why this would be any different- I suspect that while they're likely not the ones running the AI, they may very well have either programmed the model itself or at the very least selected some of the training data and tuned it.

Sheep_maker wrote:

BigNate469 wrote:

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That's not being “pretty good,” that's just doing the bare minimum. They're required by law to let users delete their account if they don't want Scratch banned in the EU

Sheep_maker wrote:

I feel like the EU might pose a challenge because it's generally skeptical about AI compared to other jurisdictions. For example, ChatGPT and Gemini offered free subscriptions for students, but only if they're in the US and some other countries not in the EU, and 18+. Gemini isn't available for people under 13 in the EU. Plus, the incentive to introduce AI in education only exists in the US. I feel that it's plausible the Scratch Team might release Scratch 4.0's AI features only to students in the US, similar to how larger AI companies only make their features first available to the US.

Sheep_maker wrote:

It's probably very unlikely they're training the model themselves, so they're probably just going to give an LLM access to some guides about Scratch, and they probably have to write more docs for it to work with and find a way to let the LLM read/write Scratch blocks or other Scratch features reliably

Shuaib_Zaker wrote:

AI isn't good at scratch. You'd know that if you used ChatGPT.

KangaCoder wrote:

In the 2024 annual report (released today), the message from Scratch's President/CEO has this:

As we look ahead to Scratch 4.0 and our ambitious goal to reach the next 100 million children by 2027, …

Also, 4.0 was teased earlier in a Scratch job application section (which can't be linked because it indirectly leads to filling out contact information):

In 2025, we’re responding to this growth by focusing on three strategic priorities: developing the new Scratch 4.0, with a re-imagined online community and creative AI; amplifying the impact of Scratch through our programs and research; and developing a robust business model to ensure a sustainable future for the software and the Foundation.

It was announced back in April that AI would be added to Scratch, so it seems 4.0 may be coming in the not-so-distant future. Any thoughts?

Dragon_Krafter wrote:

I don’t like the idea of AI in scratch, as it could take away actually learning to code. We don’t need a robot in scratch. That beats the whole point!

Eevee6979 wrote:

Guys, I have a theory. Scratch 4.0 is taking a long time to release because their planning on implementing a 3D software to make proper 3D games.

redspacecat wrote:

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Eevee6979 wrote:

Guys, I have a theory. Scratch 4.0 is taking a long time to release because their planning on implementing a 3D software to make proper 3D games.

Seems doubtful because 3D stuff is rejected

Eevee6979 wrote:

Guys, I have a theory. Scratch 4.0 is taking a long time to release because their planning on implementing a 3D software to make proper 3D games.

ispretty wrote:

N8_D_GR8_1 wrote:

rdococ wrote:

nembence wrote:

Why do people put AI into everything? AI is magic and not programming, sometimes even the creators don't know what they put into it / train it on. This isn't safe

AI generated images could be a good way to encourage creativity… if it had super tight safeguards. And I doubt any existing AI is up to the task.

There is no creativity if you are not creating anything.

you shouldn't have to be a good artist to be able to make the game you want

TheReturnofHaziel wrote:

I would think that Scratch 3.0 will get small updates FOREVER!!! If we receive Scratch 4.0, it might not be for a long time, because Scratch 3.0 will still be growing more popular over the years.

Credit to @Challenger10K for information .