bubgamer07 wrote:

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crazyfrogcat wrote:

1THEKINGBOB3 wrote:

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crazyfrogcat wrote:

The-Sushi-Cat wrote:

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crazyfrogcat wrote:

remix chains are all ways bad, i would prefer to use live######h

They're not

There are plenty of, “Continue the comic”s and “Add your character to this image!” There is nothing wrong with those, and they can be very fun!

no, the root get's taken down after a few weeks, i prefer live#####h does that break the Brower policy (if yes then ask the scratch team to remove the mod mention)

no it doesn't, if so, all of griffpatch's projects would be taken down.

no, that happened to my project, i might ban remixing on my projects soon

you can't

what do you mean?

crazyfrogcat wrote:

bubgamer07 wrote:

(#20)

crazyfrogcat wrote:

1THEKINGBOB3 wrote:

(#18)

crazyfrogcat wrote:

The-Sushi-Cat wrote:

(#13)

crazyfrogcat wrote:

remix chains are all ways bad, i would prefer to use live######h

They're not

There are plenty of, “Continue the comic”s and “Add your character to this image!” There is nothing wrong with those, and they can be very fun!

no, the root get's taken down after a few weeks, i prefer live#####h does that break the Brower policy (if yes then ask the scratch team to remove the mod mention)

no it doesn't, if so, all of griffpatch's projects would be taken down.

no, that happened to my project, i might ban remixing on my projects soon

you can't

what do you mean?

it isn't allowed (check the ToU and CG)

bubgamer07 wrote:

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crazyfrogcat wrote:

bubgamer07 wrote:

(#20)

crazyfrogcat wrote:

1THEKINGBOB3 wrote:

(#18)

crazyfrogcat wrote:

The-Sushi-Cat wrote:

(#13)

crazyfrogcat wrote:

remix chains are all ways bad, i would prefer to use live######h

They're not

There are plenty of, “Continue the comic”s and “Add your character to this image!” There is nothing wrong with those, and they can be very fun!

no, the root get's taken down after a few weeks, i prefer live#####h does that break the Brower policy (if yes then ask the scratch team to remove the mod mention)

no it doesn't, if so, all of griffpatch's projects would be taken down.

no, that happened to my project, i might ban remixing on my projects soon

you can't

what do you mean?

it isn't allowed (check the ToU and CG)

but it leads to more remix takedowns

crazyfrogcat wrote:

1THEKINGBOB3 wrote:

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no, that happened to my project, i might ban remixing on my projects soon

I wouldn't do that either- as that's not allowed:

Can I add a note to my project telling people not to remix or recolor?

No. Everything on Scratch is remixable, so by adding this type of note to your project, you’re imposing false restrictions on other Scratchers. If you don’t want others to remix your creations, you can still create projects on the Scratch website, but don’t share them on the website.

Source: https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/417686/


Anyways, there's some issues with this- what defines a “remix chain”? The way that most people have been interpreting it here basically makes it not allowed to remix projects that are designed to be remixed- which is effectively discouraging remixing.

Also, remix chains count as something complicated enough that to report them you should use Contact Us to report them.

Besides, spam chains (remix chains created for the sole purpose of getting more remixes, nothing else) already aren't allowed.


It also sounds like you're mad about one of your projects being taken down, and loosing credit for creating it initially. I must raise the question, how would banning a certain type of project “help give more credit”? It seems like it would just make a lot of people mad in this case.

BigNate469 wrote:

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It also sounds like you're mad about one of your projects being taken down, and loosing credit for creating it initially. I must raise the question, how would banning a certain type of project “help give more credit”? It seems like it would just make a lot of people mad in this case.

it work help as scratch requires that you give credit for everyone's work you use, that would be losing credit that you need that's why we need to highly limit remixing by banning remix chains

crazyfrogcat wrote:

BigNate469 wrote:

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it work help as scratch requires that you give credit for everyone's work you use, that would be losing credit that you need that's why we need to highly limit remixing by banning remix chains

But that doesn't fix the problem?

Say that you have a remix chain that has 3 projects in it (total). If the first project in it gets taken down (or deleted or unshared by the creator), then the automatic credit no longer applies to it, and gets shifted to the second one in the remix chain. If you banned remix chains, this would never happen.

Now consider having a single project with 2 remixes. If the original project is deleted or unshared, then those 2 projects no longer automatically give credit to the original. Banning remix chains wouldn't help here, as there was never a remix chain to begin with.

A better solution would be to just say that the original was unshared in the automatic credit, and give the name of the original creator.



The problem is that credit is no longer automatically given to the original creator if the original project is unshared or deleted for any reason. Your solution is to ban remix chains, but this is an issue with remixing in general, not remix chains. So why should we ban remix chains for something that isn't a problem with remix chains?

BigNate469 wrote:

(#26)

crazyfrogcat wrote:

BigNate469 wrote:

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it work help as scratch requires that you give credit for everyone's work you use, that would be losing credit that you need that's why we need to highly limit remixing by banning remix chains

But that doesn't fix the problem?

snip

A better solution would be to just say that the original was unshared in the automatic credit, and give the name of the original creator.

it don't like that

The problem is that credit is no longer automatically given to the original creator if the original project is unshared or deleted for any reason. Your solution is to ban remix chains, but this is an issue with remixing in general, not remix chains. So why should we ban remix chains for something that isn't a problem with remix chains?

that's way too complicated and unknown so i chose this

crazyfrogcat wrote:

BigNate469 wrote:

The problem is that credit is no longer automatically given to the original creator if the original project is unshared or deleted for any reason. Your solution is to ban remix chains, but this is an issue with remixing in general, not remix chains. So why should we ban remix chains for something that isn't a problem with remix chains?

that's way too complicated and unknown so i chose this

If you want a TL;DR:

problem = credit not given to creator automatically if project is unshared
your solution = ban remix chains
issue with your solution = this is an issue with remixing in general, not just remix chains

BigNate469 wrote:

(#28)

crazyfrogcat wrote:

BigNate469 wrote:

The problem is that credit is no longer automatically given to the original creator if the original project is unshared or deleted for any reason. Your solution is to ban remix chains, but this is an issue with remixing in general, not remix chains. So why should we ban remix chains for something that isn't a problem with remix chains?

that's way too complicated and unknown so i chose this

If you want a TL;DR:

problem = credit not given to creator automatically if project is unshared
your solution = ban remix chains
issue with your solution = this is an issue with remixing in general, not just remix chains

then just remove the remixing feature

crazyfrogcat wrote:

BigNate469 wrote:

(#28)

crazyfrogcat wrote:

BigNate469 wrote:

The problem is that credit is no longer automatically given to the original creator if the original project is unshared or deleted for any reason. Your solution is to ban remix chains, but this is an issue with remixing in general, not remix chains. So why should we ban remix chains for something that isn't a problem with remix chains?

that's way too complicated and unknown so i chose this

If you want a TL;DR:

problem = credit not given to creator automatically if project is unshared
your solution = ban remix chains
issue with your solution = this is an issue with remixing in general, not just remix chains

then just remove the remixing feature

That's rejected, and Scratch encourages remixing.

-gr wrote:

(#30)

crazyfrogcat wrote:

BigNate469 wrote:

(#28)

crazyfrogcat wrote:

BigNate469 wrote:

The problem is that credit is no longer automatically given to the original creator if the original project is unshared or deleted for any reason. Your solution is to ban remix chains, but this is an issue with remixing in general, not remix chains. So why should we ban remix chains for something that isn't a problem with remix chains?

that's way too complicated and unknown so i chose this

If you want a TL;DR:

problem = credit not given to creator automatically if project is unshared
your solution = ban remix chains
issue with your solution = this is an issue with remixing in general, not just remix chains

then just remove the remixing feature

That's rejected, and Scratch encourages remixing.

why and how?

crazyfrogcat wrote:

why and how?

It's rejected by The Official List Of Rejected Suggestions: https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/343602

The Official List of Rejected Suggestions wrote:

3.2 Disable remixing or censor minor remixes

One of the most important ideas of Scratch is the share aspect. Scratch is a website not only for displaying your work, but also for sharing it with others, and by posting your project on the Scratch website you agree to allow others to remix your work. You are not allowed to write “Do not remix this project” in the Notes and Credits of your project; you may get alerted for this, because it discourages remixing. This suggestion extends to the ability to require permission to remix a project, as you have already given permission to others to use your creations by sharing a project on Scratch; for more information, see this post.

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A remix of a project is allowed on Scratch, even if the remix only contains minor changes (this includes recolors). However, when you remix a project, you should put in the Notes and Credits what you changed. If you see a project that contains no noticeable changes, please use the Report button on it so the Scratch Team can take a look at it. This suggestion extends to “extremely minor remixes,” such as a remix of a game that gives you 2 points per second instead of 1. As long as the user explains what they changed about the project and gives proper credit, this is okay.

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However, a feature that prevents unchanged remixes from being shared is NOT rejected. You can discuss it on this topic.

View source

As for why, it's because remixing allows creativity, collaboration, feedback and encourages creativity and learning through seeing how other people code and modifying it yourself.

-gr wrote:

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As for why, it's because remixing allows creativity, collaboration, feedback and encourages creativity and learning through seeing how other people code and modifying it yourself.

but the scratch team prohibits remixing on some projects them self's (does not follow the rules)

crazyfrogcat wrote:

-gr wrote:

(#32)
As for why, it's because remixing allows creativity, collaboration, feedback and encourages creativity and learning through seeing how other people code and modifying it yourself.

but the scratch team prohibits remixing on some projects them self's (does not follow the rules)

If you make a remix but don't change anything it may be taken down, is that what you're referring to?

-gr wrote:

(#34)

crazyfrogcat wrote:

-gr wrote:

(#32)
As for why, it's because remixing allows creativity, collaboration, feedback and encourages creativity and learning through seeing how other people code and modifying it yourself.

but the scratch team prohibits remixing on some projects them self's (does not follow the rules)

If you make a remix but don't change anything it may be taken down, is that what you're referring to?

no, that can happen to any project even if it's not a remix, that's why we need to limit remixing

crazyfrogcat wrote:

-gr wrote:

(#34)

crazyfrogcat wrote:

-gr wrote:

(#32)
As for why, it's because remixing allows creativity, collaboration, feedback and encourages creativity and learning through seeing how other people code and modifying it yourself.

but the scratch team prohibits remixing on some projects them self's (does not follow the rules)

If you make a remix but don't change anything it may be taken down, is that what you're referring to?

no, that can happen to any project even if it's not a remix, that's why we need to limit remixing

Okay wait… So any project could get taken down, so we should limit remixing? Sorry if I'm misunderstanding, but that's what I got.

The-Sushi-Cat wrote:

(#36)

crazyfrogcat wrote:

-gr wrote:

(#34)

crazyfrogcat wrote:

-gr wrote:

(#32)
As for why, it's because remixing allows creativity, collaboration, feedback and encourages creativity and learning through seeing how other people code and modifying it yourself.

but the scratch team prohibits remixing on some projects them self's (does not follow the rules)

If you make a remix but don't change anything it may be taken down, is that what you're referring to?

no, that can happen to any project even if it's not a remix, that's why we need to limit remixing

Okay wait… So any project could get taken down, so we should limit remixing? Sorry if I'm misunderstanding, but that's what I got.

I'd say you're true, the scratch team takes down 4% of ok scratch projects because they think they're inappropriate when they're not

crazyfrogcat wrote:

The-Sushi-Cat wrote:

Okay wait… So any project could get taken down, so we should limit remixing? Sorry if I'm misunderstanding, but that's what I got.

I'd say you're true, the scratch team takes down 4% of ok scratch projects because they think they're inappropriate when they're not

1. What is the correlation between remixes and inappropriate projects going hand-in-hand? I can make an inappropriate project without remixing, and I can make perfectly okay remixed projects

2. If you think something got taken down unfairly, please Contact ST. Why do you want to remove all of remixes just because some originals get taken down? Or that projects can be inappropriate sometimes?

crazyfrogcat wrote:

I'd say you're true, the scratch team takes down 4% of ok scratch projects because they think they're inappropriate when they're not

Where did you get this statistic?

I had a migraine reading all this.

You're mad your remix root got taken down, and the credit for the root(on the remixes) disappears, so your solution is to ban the remixes as well?

I don't get the logic behind this?