EatNYeet wrote:

The term “Autism awareness month” is considered, among the autistic community, to be a bad way of naming the month.

Did you read the title of the suggestion? It says make a post for autism acceptance…..

cheddargirl wrote:

A quick search shows that it's being expanded to be inclusive of all forms of neurodiversity (though this seems to be only as recent as perhaps last year: https://humanresources.wp.txstate.edu/2023/04/03/your-guide-to-neurodiversity-celebration-month-how-can-you-be-an-ally/)

This changes the scope of this suggestion quite significantly; so draft posts or projects/studios may need to be redone in light of this fact.

I feel like changing the OP will be much more of a difficult change due to the enormity of neurodivergence. Neurodivergence is a very broad idea. Autism is too but with a lesser extent

starlightsparker wrote:

undeterministic wrote:

starlightsparker wrote:

undeterministic wrote:

hydrofungus wrote:

hot655 wrote:

I’d argue that there shouldn’t be a forum post for autism acceptance, after thinking it through. Rather, I think there should be a forum post for acceptance of neurodiversity in general. This is basically a compass of everything neurodivergent, eg. Autism, ADHD, Dyslexia, etc etc

Yeah, that’ll be better. It would include a whole hecking lot of people

That would be better but when would it occur, there isn't really a Neurodivergence month as I am aware

Neurodiversity awareness month is in April according to google

I though that was autism month. maybe I am wrong, a google search says it is autism month in april

i don’t know, google also says it’s neurodiversity month.

Can you explain what neurodiversity means?? People keep stating it a lot (not just here) but I have no idea LOL

starlightsparker wrote:

bobbie77 wrote:

scratch shouldn't educate people about autism, that should be on the parents

A lot of neurotypical parents with neurotypical children wouldn’t bother to do that cause they wouldn’t see a reason to

Neurotypical??

EatNYeet wrote:

The term “Autism awareness month” is considered, among the autistic community, to be a bad way of naming the month. This is because these terms are presented by a company called Autism Speaks, which claims to advocate for those of us on the spectrum when they, in fact, use very unethical methods of doing things and have done nothing but spread misinformation and confusion about autism. Unfortunately, this company is very prevalent in how autism is seen and has a tendency to put a negative view on us. With this in mind, I would like to request that it is at least known the preferred term to use in support of autism during April is "autism acceptance month" and that Autism Speaks is a very bad company. I don't want to go into detail about the things they've done here, but feel free to do your own research.

The title was literally changed after the 2nd post (as in the post after the original post) though..
https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/post/7902965/
Like, what do you want?? Are you referring to other posts or something?

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that's … a thing?
on a site that's targeted at computer science?
which is an industry that's full of autists??

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medians wrote:

starlightsparker wrote:

undeterministic wrote:

I though that was autism month. maybe I am wrong, a google search says it is autism month in april

i don’t know, google also says it’s neurodiversity month.

Can you explain what neurodiversity means?? People keep stating it a lot (not just here) but I have no idea LOL

starlightsparker wrote:

bobbie77 wrote:

scratch shouldn't educate people about autism, that should be on the parents

A lot of neurotypical parents with neurotypical children wouldn’t bother to do that cause they wouldn’t see a reason to

Neurotypical??

Being neurodivergent means their brain works differently and have different strengths and challenges than people whose brain works normally (stolen from google). People with autism, adhd, etc, are neurodivergent

Being neurotypical means your brain works normally

BringUpYourPost wrote:

EatNYeet wrote:

The term “Autism awareness month” is considered, among the autistic community, to be a bad way of naming the month.

Did you read the title of the suggestion? It says make a post for autism acceptance…..

I did. I thought my mentioning of confusion among other posts would allow anyone reading mine to understand I was talking about said posts rather than the title. It's a very common occurrence, so I didn't feel the need to quote anything.

medians wrote:

EatNYeet wrote:

-snip-

The title was literally changed after the 2nd post (as in the post after the original post) though..
https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/post/7902965/
Like, what do you want?? Are you referring to other posts or something?

I am mentioning other posts, and I've already explained things above. If I had issues with the title, I would have said as such.

I'm sure you know how it feels to be told the same thing twice, by the way. It's frustrating. Please just don't in the future unless it hasn't been said yet.

EatNYeet wrote:

I am mentioning other posts, and I've already explained things above. If I had issues with the title, I would have said as such.

I'm sure you know how it feels to be told the same thing twice, by the way. It's frustrating. Please just don't in the future unless it hasn't been said yet.

I did not even see that yet (I thought I was on the last page for some reason), and I had other things that I asked. Also, I was confused when you said proven by a few posts and did not quote specific ones, so I assumed you were referring to the original post (so I thought you when you were saying proven, that you meant towards the title so I thought you read it wrong or sth)
Also, I am not that mad when that happens.

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medians wrote:

Can you explain what neurodiversity means?? People keep stating it a lot (not just here) but I have no idea LOL

It's like, mental issues and differences. Stuff like autism, adhd, etc (I can't think of anymore )

BringUpYourPost wrote:

hydrofungus wrote:

BringUpYourPost wrote:

A forum post is needed as autistic people might face harrasement. ]

Oh my goodness gracious
We need a post for every country, religion, disabilities, fandoms, genders, orientations, etc. because they might face harassment!!!11!!1!!

I’m not autistic (i don’t know i haven’t and will probably never get a diagnosis) so this may be based a bit ☠️
If they receive harassment, the report button exists, and the community will beat up that guy. Trust me
And doesn’t it fall under a line in the CGs like upper posts mentioned?

But many autistic people do face harrasement. And according to cheddargirl's post, groups that face harrasement deserve a forum post.

I am a Chinese person (racially/ ethnically, but I am from Malaysia) who faced multiple instances of racism or borderline racism on Scratch.
Where is my forum post then.

Aidanthedumm wrote:

BringUpYourPost wrote:

hydrofungus wrote:

BringUpYourPost wrote:

A forum post is needed as autistic people might face harrasement. ]

Oh my goodness gracious
We need a post for every country, religion, disabilities, fandoms, genders, orientations, etc. because they might face harassment!!!11!!1!!

I’m not autistic (i don’t know i haven’t and will probably never get a diagnosis) so this may be based a bit ☠️
If they receive harassment, the report button exists, and the community will beat up that guy. Trust me
And doesn’t it fall under a line in the CGs like upper posts mentioned?

But many autistic people do face harrasement. And according to cheddargirl's post, groups that face harrasement deserve a forum post.

I am a Chinese person who faced multiple instances of racism or borderline racism on Scratch.
Where is my forum post then.

not here because the scratch team may have not seen all of the harassment, or they just don't think a forum post is a good solution. people who read announcements are mature enough (usually) to not be racist

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among_us1w2 wrote:

people who read announcements are mature enough (usually) to not be racist

Funny enough, most of the time the racism I've experienced are from those fandom obsessed, SJW-ish (I am a leftist but just sayin) users who would always advocate for LGBTQIA+. So I am pretty sure those users would read Scratch's announcements. Especially for those regarding BHM and Pride Month, yet they still act racist.

TL;DR: Announcements aren't really effective.

Aidanthedumm wrote:

among_us1w2 wrote:

people who read announcements are mature enough (usually) to not be racist

Funny enough, most of the time the racism I've experienced are from those fandom obsessed, SJW-ish (I am a leftist but just sayin) users who would always advocate for LGBTQIA+. So I am pretty sure those users would read Scratch's announcements. Especially for those regarding BHM and Pride Month, yet they still act racist.

damn but that also proves my point that the announcements won't do a thing
best I can say is f

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Aidanthedumm wrote:

among_us1w2 wrote:

people who read announcements are mature enough (usually) to not be racist

Funny enough, most of the time the racism I've experienced are from those fandom obsessed, SJW-ish (I am a leftist but just sayin) users who would always advocate for LGBTQIA+. So I am pretty sure those users would read Scratch's announcements. Especially for those regarding BHM and Pride Month, yet they still act racist.

TL;DR: Announcements aren't really effective.

For me (an atheist), the people who offend me are the people who say that you can't say Merry Christmas, BC, etc, not the people who say Merry Christmas and stuff like that. Also, I look younger than I actually am (I mean as in height and weight and appearance [I have the height and weight of someone around 10-11 even though I have been on the internet for 15 years]) but same thing for stuff like “the m word” (that's actually a thing, and if you do not know, if you search m word little people you will understand). Though I'm “neurotypical” (well, according to what people have said here).
Though I do worry about my appearance because of how I look, I mean the fact that people might think I'm super young or something in certain cases. Imagine getting into a programming job, and then at a computer, you see someone who looks like a girl that hasn't even started high school LOL
Edit: also I have been trying to fix my weight and height, so yea.

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Za-Chary wrote:

undeterminstic wrote:

. Using a thread promoting project/studio creation around that topic deflects that harassment.

Where is the part where she said "groups that face harassment deserve a forum post"?

Oh yeah *ahem* i would like someone to answer zuh-cherry’s question please, we can’t make an argument surrounding an unclear source

Gamer_Logan819 wrote:

A forum post would encourage harassment since it would be an absolute godsend for trolls to say garbage and bully people.

I don't think so, it's probably gonna get spammed with “yes autistic people should get accepted” and “oh i'm autistic too” and Scratch Team will close it within 2 days, learning from the other stickies.

Gamer_Logan819 wrote:

Now I’m not saying this goes for everybody but from what I’ve experienced and witnessed, a good chunk of people are sensitive to being bullied due to their disorder.

Do you have proof to back that claim up? Every single bullying incident I've seen on Scratch isn't caused by that at all. The closest I've saw is probably somebody getting harrased because of their beliefs.

Gamer_Logan819 wrote:

AI also think a bunch of people would react to these trolls and as such be at a decent risk of personal harassment by the trolls on their profile, which would be even worse.

With the autism community, definitely, but the topic can just be closed, it's not like people will be talking about it for months or anything. They read it, they learn from it, and move on in life.

hydrofungus wrote:

BringUpYourPost wrote:

A forum post is needed as autistic people might face harrasement. ]

Oh my goodness gracious
We need a post for every country, religion, disabilities, fandoms, genders, orientations, etc. because they might face harassment!!!11!!1!!

I kind of get @hydrofungus's point, but I do think it can be expressed in a nicer way. For countries, I don't think anyone's gonna harrass them, for religions, definitely not, for disabilities, maybe? For fandoms, probably not, for genders, I'm pretty sure Scratch Team supports LGBTQ, and I have no clue what an orientation is.

hydrofungus wrote:

I’m not autistic (i don’t know i haven’t and will probably never get a diagnosis) so this may be based a bit ☠️
If they receive harassment, the report button exists, and the community will beat up that guy. Trust me.

I have been on Scratch long enough that unfortunately, I can trust you…but the best way to prevent an issue isn't to report the issue when it is ongoing, it is to prevent the issue before it even started.

hydrofungus wrote:

And doesn’t it fall under a line in the CGs like upper posts mentioned?

I have no clue what in the world the upper post says, but I'm sure it is a punishable offense. However, there are a lot of things in this world that are punishable offences, yet people still do them.
also i put a full stop in the quote because @hydrofungus didn't want to for…some reason

starlightsparker wrote:

undeterministic wrote:

starlightsparker wrote:

undeterministic wrote:

hydrofungus wrote:

hot655 wrote:

I’d argue that there shouldn’t be a forum post for autism acceptance, after thinking it through. Rather, I think there should be a forum post for acceptance of neurodiversity in general. This is basically a compass of everything neurodivergent, eg. Autism, ADHD, Dyslexia, etc etc

Yeah, that’ll be better. It would include a whole hecking lot of people

That would be better but when would it occur, there isn't really a Neurodivergence month as I am aware

Neurodiversity awareness month is in April according to google

I though that was autism month. maybe I am wrong, a google search says it is autism month in april

i don’t know, google also says it’s neurodiversity month.

“Neurodiversity” may be a confusing word for 7 year olds. I think there could be a simpler word without calling out persons with a specific condition. Or maybe the forum post should be made specifically calling out people of different conditions and telling people to be nice to them?
Note from myself, I looked through this before posting and I did not mean for it to sound like a Hey, Bully but for people with specific conditions.


With that being said, support, as long as:
-It's not just autistic people that have a forum post for acceptance (to a certain extent, not like @hydrofungus's example)
-It is called “Autism Awareness, not ”Autism Acceptance" (read this post)
-Scratch Team monitors the topic and is ready to close it when things get heated

TheUltimateHoodie wrote:

hydrofungus wrote:

BringUpYourPost wrote:

A forum post is needed as autistic people might face harrasement. ]

Oh my goodness gracious
We need a post for every country, religion, disabilities, fandoms, genders, orientations, etc. because they might face harassment!!!11!!1!!

I kind of get @hydrofungus's point, but I do think it can be expressed in a nicer way. For countries, I don't think anyone's gonna harrass them, for religions, definitely not, for disabilities, maybe? For fandoms, probably not, for genders, I'm pretty sure Scratch Team supports LGBTQ, and I have no clue what an orientation is.

For countries, it’s kind of racism, and take a look at @Aidanthedumm’s post for an example of how being a person from/has a bloodline of a country can be harassed
Religions: a christian or a muslim could be harassed, like autistic people would
Fandoms, i’ve been harassed for being in the Genshin/Honkai fandom before, it was not a refreshing experience.
Genders, yes, st supports all genders, but does that stop people from harassing trans people and more?
And then, orientation is sexuality, and yes, a gay person can be harassed.

TheUltimateHoodie wrote:

Do you have proof to back that claim up? Every single bullying incident I've seen on Scratch isn't caused by that at all. The closest I've saw is probably somebody getting harrased because of their beliefs.

I have experience that.

undeterministic wrote:

TheUltimateHoodie wrote:

Do you have proof to back that claim up? Every single bullying incident I've seen on Scratch isn't caused by that at all. The closest I've saw is probably somebody getting harrased because of their beliefs.

I have experience that.

Does this happen on a daily basis/many times or just something you experienced once?

And

hydrofungus wrote:

Za-Chary wrote:

undeterminstic wrote:

. Using a thread promoting project/studio creation around that topic deflects that harassment.

Where is the part where she said "groups that face harassment deserve a forum post"?

Oh yeah *ahem* i would like someone to answer zuh-cherry’s question please, we can’t make an argument surrounding an unclear source

hydrofungus wrote:

undeterministic wrote:

TheUltimateHoodie wrote:

Do you have proof to back that claim up? Every single bullying incident I've seen on Scratch isn't caused by that at all. The closest I've saw is probably somebody getting harrased because of their beliefs.

I have experience that.

Does this happen on a daily basis/many times or just something you experienced once?

More than once, not on a daily experience but a lot

Alr, then this please.

hydrofungus wrote:

Za-Chary wrote:

undeterminstic wrote:

. Using a thread promoting project/studio creation around that topic deflects that harassment.

Where is the part where she said "groups that face harassment deserve a forum post"?

Oh yeah *ahem* i would like someone to answer zuh-cherry’s question please, we can’t make an argument surrounding an unclear source

If the source does actually mention, then this suggestion should be accepted.

(I hardly know anything about autism so please correct me if I make a mistake.)

My opinion is that, if somebody really is enough of a troll to harass people because their mind works differently, (and these trolls exist, sadly,) then there is more wrong with them that a simple forum post would fix.