Logic blocks and effect counters

blockygenius37

I think that a very helpful thing would be to add more logic blocks. Right now, we have the classics:

<not <>>
<<> and <>>
<<> or <>>

However, I feel like there would be a lot more flexibility if the Scratch team implemented these:

<<> xor <>> :: operators
<<> nand <>> :: operators
<<> nor <>> :: operators
<<> xnor <>> :: operators

This would create a lot more opportunity to create better control flow without needing to string together tons of and, not, and or blocks.

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Support. No idea what these do but they seem useful.

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medians

Gamer_Logan819 wrote:
Support. No idea what these do but they seem useful.

This explains it:
Truth Table

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106809nes

blockygenius37 wrote:
<<> nand <>> :: operators

<<not <...>> or <not <...>>>

Last edited by 106809nes (Dec. 20, 2023 16:13:13)

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106809nes wrote:
blockygenius37 wrote:
<<> nor <>> :: operators
<<not <...>> or <not <...>>>

incorrect

<not <<> or <>>>

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cactus-cacti

medians wrote:
Truth Table

That makes it appear that these have incredibly easy workarounds.

starlightsparker

Xor

<not <<condition::grey> = <condition::grey>>>

(this workaround for xor is from another post that I can’t find the link to, not me. the rest r me tho)

Nand

<not <<condition::grey> and <condition::grey>>>

Nor

<not <<condition::grey> or <condition::grey>>

Xnor

<<condition::grey> = <condition::grey>>

honestly, the workaround are easier to understand then the actual blocks.
So no support.

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cactus-cacti

starlightsparker wrote:
honestly, the workaround are easier to understand then the actual blocks.

Yes, I understand the workarounds, but I am incredibly confused by the names of these blocks.

starlightsparker

cactus-cacti wrote:
starlightsparker wrote:
honestly, the workaround are easier to understand then the actual blocks.
Yes, I understand the workarounds, but I am incredibly confused by the names of these blocks.

Same honestly- it took me a good minute to process what the names mean lol

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bruhhhimnoon

if this works i will be so happy

<<...> and <...> and <...>>
<<> or <> or <>>
(join [] [] [])
<[] and not []>

IT WORKED so heres more

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plssss

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GlitchedThrough

starlightsparker wrote:
cactus-cacti wrote:
starlightsparker wrote:
honestly, the workaround are easier to understand then the actual blocks.
Yes, I understand the workarounds, but I am incredibly confused by the names of these blocks.
Same honestly- it took me a good minute to process what the names mean lol

Well, kids who get into proper programming will have an easier understanding when they move on, right?

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starlightsparker

bruhhhimnoon wrote:
if this works i will be so happy
<<...> and <...> and <...>>
<<> or <> or <>>
(join [] [] [])
<[] and not []>
when stop clicked::hat

plssss

Please create your own topics for these.

but uh, here’s workarounds
For

<<…> and <…> and <...>::operators

You can do

<<…> and <<…> and <…>>

for

<<…> or <…> or <…>::operators

You can do

<<…> or <<…> or <…>>>

For

(join […] […] […]::operators)

You can do

(join […] (join […] […]))

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starlightsparker

GlitchedThrough wrote:
starlightsparker wrote:
cactus-cacti wrote:
starlightsparker wrote:
honestly, the workaround are easier to understand then the actual blocks.
Yes, I understand the workarounds, but I am incredibly confused by the names of these blocks.
Same honestly- it took me a good minute to process what the names mean lol
Well, kids who get into proper programming will have an easier understanding when they move on, right?

I mean, understanding those when they get into proper programming can’t be that hard. Scratch doesn’t need everything that real coding languages use.

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GlitchedThrough

starlightsparker wrote:
GlitchedThrough wrote:
starlightsparker wrote:
cactus-cacti wrote:
starlightsparker wrote:
honestly, the workaround are easier to understand then the actual blocks.
Yes, I understand the workarounds, but I am incredibly confused by the names of these blocks.
Same honestly- it took me a good minute to process what the names mean lol
Well, kids who get into proper programming will have an easier understanding when they move on, right?
I mean, understanding those when they get into proper programming can’t be that hard. Scratch doesn’t need everything that real coding languages use.

I still have difficulties remembering logic gates.
Start then early so they'll remember well

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bruhhhimnoon

starlightsparker wrote:
bruhhhimnoon wrote:
if this works i will be so happy
<<...> and <...> and <...>>
<<> or <> or <>>
(join [] [] [])
<[] and not []>
when stop clicked::hat

plssss
Please create your own topics for these.

but uh, here’s workarounds
For
<<…> and <…> and <...>::operators 
You can do
<<…> and <<…> and <…>>
for
<<…> or <…> or <…>::operators
You can do
<<…> or <<…> or <…>>>
For
(join […] […] […]::operators)
You can do
(join […] (join […] […]))

1. I'm sorry.
2. I know you can do this like that but it would be really convenient if they added those
3. idk how to make a topic

Last edited by bruhhhimnoon (March 29, 2024 12:34:28)

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support. this will be handy to so many people when they learn to use them right.

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starlightsparker

bruhhhimnoon wrote:
starlightsparker wrote:
bruhhhimnoon wrote:
if this works i will be so happy
<<...> and <...> and <...>>
<<> or <> or <>>
(join [] [] [])
<[] and not []>
when stop clicked::hat

plssss
Please create your own topics for these.

but uh, here’s workarounds
For
<<…> and <…> and <...>::operators 
You can do
<<…> and <<…> and <…>>
for
<<…> or <…> or <…>::operators
You can do
<<…> or <<…> or <…>>>
For
(join […] […] […]::operators)
You can do
(join […] (join […] […]))
1. I'm sorry.
2. I know you can do this like that but it would be really convenient if they added those
3. idk how to make a topic

1. No worries
2. A lot of things will be convenient, but when the workarounds are easy it’s just a waste of scratch’s time and resources.
3. Go to https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/1 and click “New Topic”. Keep in mind the page I linked is for the suggestions subforum, so if the topic you want to make isn’t a suggestion, go to a different subforum by navigating to scratch.mit.edu/discuss and choosing a subforum.

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