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EngineerRunner
Scratcher
1000+ posts

allow new accounts on the forums immediately in certain cases

it can be a bit annoying waiting the 5 days for a new alt account to be allowed on the forums. there is a suggestion to completely abolish this wait, but i think that's a bit overkill for a feature that has noticeably reduced attacks on the forums. so, i propose a middle-ground:
accounts will be immediately allowed on the forums, IF all of these conditions are met:
- they have the same IP address as a prexisting account
- that prexisting account has at least 100 forum posts
- NONE of the accounts on their IP address are banned (permanently or temporarily)
- their account has a verified email address

this should still fix the problem that the 5 day wait fixed, but should eliminate some of the annoyance around it.

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oh god am I becoming an ATer

when I am deleted ::hat control
ask (join (join [what the hell does ] (when I am deleted ::hat control)) [ do?]) and wait
create clone of [Stage v]
delete this project ::control
stop [eh, a few] sounds ::sound
casually taking over the forums:

this is what happens when school goes back in the US, scratch has like no activity













































































when I am deleted ::hat control

create clone of [Stage v]
delete this project ::control
stop [eh, a few] sounds ::sound
Malicondi
Scratcher
1000+ posts

allow new accounts on the forums immediately in certain cases

trolls when they can create an army of accounts:


post #1000 post #100 i help in the forums post #1 post #500 0 second ninja
I recommend reading jvvg's essay about the scratch team before complaining, as it may change your opinion and provide insight on the topic.

coming soon :)


cactus-cacti
Scratcher
100+ posts

allow new accounts on the forums immediately in certain cases

this would solve lots of problems with alts of forumers.

UnstablyCorrect
New to Scratch
20 posts

allow new accounts on the forums immediately in certain cases

I would feel this is like bypassing the scratcher wait, just something different. I don't see a difference between the two barriers against trolls, so this may be rejected. Although I haven't seen the other suggestion, maybe Paddle said something otherwise.

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EngineerRunner
Scratcher
1000+ posts

allow new accounts on the forums immediately in certain cases

Malicondi wrote:

trolls when they can create an army of accounts:


one of those accounts get banned, they cant do that.
and they need to have an account with 100+ posts without getting banned anyway, so they'd have to be constructive for a couple days, and would probably take longer than just waiting for it, since that account would also initially have to wait 5 days.

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simpsons and futurama fan

RickRoIler (the first l is a capital i) on PSN, NotXboxGamer765 on xbox (and by that i mean xbox 360), EngineerRunner on Minecraft (find me on hypixel)
also im on the orange cat social media as EngineerRunner

join the worst guild on hypixel with this command!!1/!/!?1/!/
/guild join los gamers

if any of my suggestions ever get accepted, i will have my profile picture set to Just Stamp The Ticket Man for 3 months

give internets pls

an australian cumquat ate my snag and onions

“maintainer” of Pyratch, a very simple text-focused frontend for Scratch
oh god am I becoming an ATer

when I am deleted ::hat control
ask (join (join [what the hell does ] (when I am deleted ::hat control)) [ do?]) and wait
create clone of [Stage v]
delete this project ::control
stop [eh, a few] sounds ::sound
casually taking over the forums:

this is what happens when school goes back in the US, scratch has like no activity













































































when I am deleted ::hat control

create clone of [Stage v]
delete this project ::control
stop [eh, a few] sounds ::sound
-Rodri
Scratcher
1000+ posts

allow new accounts on the forums immediately in certain cases

can't you just make two accounts with the same IP address and get over point one? though this sounds like an awesome idea, i doubt it would help, because you DO NOT wanna know the things some trollers do just to troll.

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EngineerRunner
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1000+ posts

allow new accounts on the forums immediately in certain cases

UnstablyCorrect wrote:

I would feel this is like bypassing the scratcher wait, just something different. I don't see a difference between the two barriers against trolls, so this may be rejected. Although I haven't seen the other suggestion, maybe Paddle said something otherwise.
nah, i reckon they're different, since the suggestion to remove the 5-day limit isn't rejected

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simpsons and futurama fan

RickRoIler (the first l is a capital i) on PSN, NotXboxGamer765 on xbox (and by that i mean xbox 360), EngineerRunner on Minecraft (find me on hypixel)
also im on the orange cat social media as EngineerRunner

join the worst guild on hypixel with this command!!1/!/!?1/!/
/guild join los gamers

if any of my suggestions ever get accepted, i will have my profile picture set to Just Stamp The Ticket Man for 3 months

give internets pls

an australian cumquat ate my snag and onions

“maintainer” of Pyratch, a very simple text-focused frontend for Scratch
oh god am I becoming an ATer

when I am deleted ::hat control
ask (join (join [what the hell does ] (when I am deleted ::hat control)) [ do?]) and wait
create clone of [Stage v]
delete this project ::control
stop [eh, a few] sounds ::sound
casually taking over the forums:

this is what happens when school goes back in the US, scratch has like no activity













































































when I am deleted ::hat control

create clone of [Stage v]
delete this project ::control
stop [eh, a few] sounds ::sound
Malicondi
Scratcher
1000+ posts

allow new accounts on the forums immediately in certain cases

EngineerRunner wrote:

one of those accounts get banned, they cant do that.
and they need to have an account with 100+ posts without getting banned anyway, so they'd have to be constructive for a couple days, and would probably take longer than just waiting for it, since that account would also initially have to wait 5 days.
They could still use an VPN or proxy to bypass ip, and getting 100 posts doesn't have to all be constructive, they could be in TIMaC or SaT/Collaborations, which can just be chatting.

Although I would like this, I still think this would allow trolls into the forums much easier, as 5 days isn't really that long to wait and I could just wait that out with an alt, which I have on my test account.

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I recommend reading jvvg's essay about the scratch team before complaining, as it may change your opinion and provide insight on the topic.

coming soon :)


EngineerRunner
Scratcher
1000+ posts

allow new accounts on the forums immediately in certain cases

-Rodri wrote:

can't you just make two accounts with the same IP address and get over point one? though this sounds like an awesome idea, i doubt it would help, because you DO NOT wanna know the things some trollers do just to troll.
yeah, but you would have to:
1. wait 5 days for the first account to be allowed on the forums
2. get to 100 posts without being banned (so no doing anything inappropriate)
3. create a new account, and troll on it, which gets IP banned
4. repeat that to do it again.

and that'd take more than 5 days, so it doesn't change much for trolls than the current system

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simpsons and futurama fan

RickRoIler (the first l is a capital i) on PSN, NotXboxGamer765 on xbox (and by that i mean xbox 360), EngineerRunner on Minecraft (find me on hypixel)
also im on the orange cat social media as EngineerRunner

join the worst guild on hypixel with this command!!1/!/!?1/!/
/guild join los gamers

if any of my suggestions ever get accepted, i will have my profile picture set to Just Stamp The Ticket Man for 3 months

give internets pls

an australian cumquat ate my snag and onions

“maintainer” of Pyratch, a very simple text-focused frontend for Scratch
oh god am I becoming an ATer

when I am deleted ::hat control
ask (join (join [what the hell does ] (when I am deleted ::hat control)) [ do?]) and wait
create clone of [Stage v]
delete this project ::control
stop [eh, a few] sounds ::sound
casually taking over the forums:

this is what happens when school goes back in the US, scratch has like no activity













































































when I am deleted ::hat control

create clone of [Stage v]
delete this project ::control
stop [eh, a few] sounds ::sound
Za-Chary
Scratcher
1000+ posts

allow new accounts on the forums immediately in certain cases

If you want to use the forums, why not just use the forums on your main account?

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EngineerRunner
Scratcher
1000+ posts

allow new accounts on the forums immediately in certain cases

Malicondi wrote:

EngineerRunner wrote:

one of those accounts get banned, they cant do that.
and they need to have an account with 100+ posts without getting banned anyway, so they'd have to be constructive for a couple days, and would probably take longer than just waiting for it, since that account would also initially have to wait 5 days.
They could still use an VPN or proxy to bypass ip, and getting 100 posts doesn't have to all be constructive, they could be in TIMaC or SaT/Collaborations, which can just be chatting.
yes, but this doesn't skip it for trolls, and actually takes longer than just waiting the current 5 days. (reasoning in #9)

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simpsons and futurama fan

RickRoIler (the first l is a capital i) on PSN, NotXboxGamer765 on xbox (and by that i mean xbox 360), EngineerRunner on Minecraft (find me on hypixel)
also im on the orange cat social media as EngineerRunner

join the worst guild on hypixel with this command!!1/!/!?1/!/
/guild join los gamers

if any of my suggestions ever get accepted, i will have my profile picture set to Just Stamp The Ticket Man for 3 months

give internets pls

an australian cumquat ate my snag and onions

“maintainer” of Pyratch, a very simple text-focused frontend for Scratch
oh god am I becoming an ATer

when I am deleted ::hat control
ask (join (join [what the hell does ] (when I am deleted ::hat control)) [ do?]) and wait
create clone of [Stage v]
delete this project ::control
stop [eh, a few] sounds ::sound
casually taking over the forums:

this is what happens when school goes back in the US, scratch has like no activity













































































when I am deleted ::hat control

create clone of [Stage v]
delete this project ::control
stop [eh, a few] sounds ::sound
EngineerRunner
Scratcher
1000+ posts

allow new accounts on the forums immediately in certain cases

Za-Chary wrote:

If you want to use the forums, why not just use the forums on your main account?
some people might want to leave their old account behind, or try something new on new subforums without wanting to be associated with their old account.

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simpsons and futurama fan

RickRoIler (the first l is a capital i) on PSN, NotXboxGamer765 on xbox (and by that i mean xbox 360), EngineerRunner on Minecraft (find me on hypixel)
also im on the orange cat social media as EngineerRunner

join the worst guild on hypixel with this command!!1/!/!?1/!/
/guild join los gamers

if any of my suggestions ever get accepted, i will have my profile picture set to Just Stamp The Ticket Man for 3 months

give internets pls

an australian cumquat ate my snag and onions

“maintainer” of Pyratch, a very simple text-focused frontend for Scratch
oh god am I becoming an ATer

when I am deleted ::hat control
ask (join (join [what the hell does ] (when I am deleted ::hat control)) [ do?]) and wait
create clone of [Stage v]
delete this project ::control
stop [eh, a few] sounds ::sound
casually taking over the forums:

this is what happens when school goes back in the US, scratch has like no activity













































































when I am deleted ::hat control

create clone of [Stage v]
delete this project ::control
stop [eh, a few] sounds ::sound
UnstablyCorrect
New to Scratch
20 posts

allow new accounts on the forums immediately in certain cases

EngineerRunner wrote:

UnstablyCorrect wrote:

I would feel this is like bypassing the scratcher wait, just something different. I don't see a difference between the two barriers against trolls, so this may be rejected. Although I haven't seen the other suggestion, maybe Paddle said something otherwise.
nah, i reckon they're different, since the suggestion to remove the 5-day limit isn't rejected
tbh still same idea. I'll quote paddle rejecting new scratcher skipping

Paddle2See wrote:

… And that's to make it more difficult for people to spawn new accounts. We actually want people to feel invested in their accounts so that they won't be inclined to make a bunch of other accounts - which is confusing to the community and adds additional work to the moderators.

So making it easier to make more accounts is not really something we want to encourage
ST does not like people making new accounts, it seems. (New accounts are very easily banned) so that's partially why New Scratcher status skipping is rejected, and the logic can be extended to the 5-day posting rule, and then this.

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EngineerRunner
Scratcher
1000+ posts

allow new accounts on the forums immediately in certain cases

bump

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simpsons and futurama fan

RickRoIler (the first l is a capital i) on PSN, NotXboxGamer765 on xbox (and by that i mean xbox 360), EngineerRunner on Minecraft (find me on hypixel)
also im on the orange cat social media as EngineerRunner

join the worst guild on hypixel with this command!!1/!/!?1/!/
/guild join los gamers

if any of my suggestions ever get accepted, i will have my profile picture set to Just Stamp The Ticket Man for 3 months

give internets pls

an australian cumquat ate my snag and onions

“maintainer” of Pyratch, a very simple text-focused frontend for Scratch
oh god am I becoming an ATer

when I am deleted ::hat control
ask (join (join [what the hell does ] (when I am deleted ::hat control)) [ do?]) and wait
create clone of [Stage v]
delete this project ::control
stop [eh, a few] sounds ::sound
casually taking over the forums:

this is what happens when school goes back in the US, scratch has like no activity













































































when I am deleted ::hat control

create clone of [Stage v]
delete this project ::control
stop [eh, a few] sounds ::sound
EngineerRunner
Scratcher
1000+ posts

allow new accounts on the forums immediately in certain cases

bump

social experiment: comment here to not get curator

simpsons and futurama fan

RickRoIler (the first l is a capital i) on PSN, NotXboxGamer765 on xbox (and by that i mean xbox 360), EngineerRunner on Minecraft (find me on hypixel)
also im on the orange cat social media as EngineerRunner

join the worst guild on hypixel with this command!!1/!/!?1/!/
/guild join los gamers

if any of my suggestions ever get accepted, i will have my profile picture set to Just Stamp The Ticket Man for 3 months

give internets pls

an australian cumquat ate my snag and onions

“maintainer” of Pyratch, a very simple text-focused frontend for Scratch
oh god am I becoming an ATer

when I am deleted ::hat control
ask (join (join [what the hell does ] (when I am deleted ::hat control)) [ do?]) and wait
create clone of [Stage v]
delete this project ::control
stop [eh, a few] sounds ::sound
casually taking over the forums:

this is what happens when school goes back in the US, scratch has like no activity













































































when I am deleted ::hat control

create clone of [Stage v]
delete this project ::control
stop [eh, a few] sounds ::sound
LP372
Scratcher
1000+ posts

allow new accounts on the forums immediately in certain cases

Za-Chary wrote:

If you want to use the forums, why not just use the forums on your main account?
some scratchers have a forum account
example: Main is @exampleuser and Alt is @exampleuserforums
They might also have a tutor acc that they use for HwS

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EngineerRunner
Scratcher
1000+ posts

allow new accounts on the forums immediately in certain cases

bump

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simpsons and futurama fan

RickRoIler (the first l is a capital i) on PSN, NotXboxGamer765 on xbox (and by that i mean xbox 360), EngineerRunner on Minecraft (find me on hypixel)
also im on the orange cat social media as EngineerRunner

join the worst guild on hypixel with this command!!1/!/!?1/!/
/guild join los gamers

if any of my suggestions ever get accepted, i will have my profile picture set to Just Stamp The Ticket Man for 3 months

give internets pls

an australian cumquat ate my snag and onions

“maintainer” of Pyratch, a very simple text-focused frontend for Scratch
oh god am I becoming an ATer

when I am deleted ::hat control
ask (join (join [what the hell does ] (when I am deleted ::hat control)) [ do?]) and wait
create clone of [Stage v]
delete this project ::control
stop [eh, a few] sounds ::sound
casually taking over the forums:

this is what happens when school goes back in the US, scratch has like no activity













































































when I am deleted ::hat control

create clone of [Stage v]
delete this project ::control
stop [eh, a few] sounds ::sound
LP372
Scratcher
1000+ posts

allow new accounts on the forums immediately in certain cases

also: what about if the scratcher hit 100 posts, but most of them were spam or unconstructive (by unconstructive i mean like ‘support’ or ‘why’ and very little else

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randomguy3513
Scratcher
1000+ posts

allow new accounts on the forums immediately in certain cases

It isn't exactly rejected but this is kind of like skipping the new scratcher status suggestion, which is rejected and has a lot of reasons why this should be rejected as well.
8.2 Add a rank above Scratcher or allow users to skip the New Scratcher status
There are three ranks: New Scratcher, Scratcher, and Scratch Team. The only reason the New Scratcher rank exists is to prevent spam, and since it only takes a few weeks to become a Scratcher, bullying and separation are rather minimal. Similarly, the Scratch Team rank exists so users know who is on the Scratch Team; generally, Scratch Team members do not brag about the Scratch Team rank. In contrast, there may be division in the community between Scratchers and those with a higher rank, which could also lead to bragging and bullying. This also includes a “verified Scratcher” status where well-known Scratchers get a special symbol next to their name.


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cactus-cacti
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allow new accounts on the forums immediately in certain cases

randomguy3513 wrote:

It isn't exactly rejected but this is kind of like skipping the new scratcher status suggestion, which is rejected and has a lot of reasons why this should be rejected as well. snip
8.2 Add a rank above Scratcher or allow users to skip the New Scratcher status
There are three ranks: New Scratcher, Scratcher, and Scratch Team. The only reason the New Scratcher rank exists is to prevent spam, and since it only takes a few weeks to become a Scratcher, bullying and separation are rather minimal. Similarly, the Scratch Team rank exists so users know who is on the Scratch Team; generally, Scratch Team members do not brag about the Scratch Team rank. In contrast, there may be division in the community between Scratchers and those with a higher rank, which could also lead to bragging and bullying. This also includes a “verified Scratcher” status where well-known Scratchers get a special symbol next to their name.
especially that part

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