vpns exist.

yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

GoodyScratcher12 wrote:

it could be even mixture of these two
- let's say that there were problems with multiple accounts on one IP address (or you see VPN usage, open-network, …)
- then you would also start asking for phone number on that network

whats wrong with VPNs? What if I just, ya know, don't want to be doxxed easily???

there is usually nothing wrong about using these - however they are quite often used to overcome ip bans
- and again this would affect just like small percentage of people and just those who want to activate an account
- and you would still have the opportunity to just use phone auth

In other words - it would affect just the people who both don't have phone number AND are on public network / vpn or network that was banned for any reason

maybe it would be even possible to add possibility to report profile for being obvious copy of another banned profile

IP bans can be evaded via a VPN.

GoodyScratcher12 wrote:

yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

GoodyScratcher12 wrote:

it could be even mixture of these two
- let's say that there were problems with multiple accounts on one IP address (or you see VPN usage, open-network, …)
- then you would also start asking for phone number on that network

whats wrong with VPNs? What if I just, ya know, don't want to be doxxed easily???

there is usually nothing wrong about using these - however they are quite often used to overcome ip bans
- and again this would affect just like small percentage of people and just those who want to activate an account
- and you would still have the opportunity to just use phone auth

In other words - it would affect just the people who both don't have phone number AND are on public network / vpn or network that was banned for any reason

maybe it would be even possible to add possibility to report profile for being obvious copy of another banned profile

Boy did you underestimate the amount of scratchers on public/vpn networks. Not to mention, how would you even detect public/vpn networks? Sure, theres a few online services, but none of them are perfect and can all be easily bypassed by using a proxy. How are you supposed to detect a proxy?

TheEpikGamer211 wrote:

IP bans can be evaded via a VPN.

-unplugs router
-plugs router back in

british_rod wrote:

GlitchedThrough wrote:

TheEpikGamer211 wrote:

IP bans can be evaded via a VPN.

-unplugs router
-plugs router back in

Does that work for static AND dynamic IPs?

For dynamic, yeah.
For static, few consumers use statis IP's

Hey guys I have a suggestion,
If you point out any problem with anything - always make new suggestion how to solve that problem

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The thing is it affects majority of children (not everybody knows how to overcome these)

detecting is usually possible using some databases on the internet which knows most of vpn ip's
- public networks won't be necessary to detect because they would probably be banned like normal IP's very soon

GoodyScratcher12 wrote:

Hey guys I have a suggestion,
If you point out any problem with anything - always make new suggestion how to solve that problem

______

The thing is it affects majority of children (not everybody knows how to overcome these)

detecting is usually possible using some databases on the internet which knows most of vpn ip's
- public networks won't be necessary to detect because they would probably be banned like normal IP's very soon

1. nope, not at all
2. nope, not at all as well
3. they can be easily bypassed anyways, all this does is make it annoying for VPN users

yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

1. nope, not at all
2. nope, not at all as well
3. they can be easily bypassed anyways, all this does is make it annoying for VPN users

1. sad
2. definitely yes I would like to see 12 yo child to change its IP address or to even come up with the idea of going to some other wi-fi network to ACTIVATE THE ACCOUNT
3. every process has its flaws - you're overthinking this (thing is majority of the people don't know how to overcome them)

I still don't understand what ya all find annoying about activating account by both mobile phone and email since its action that is done just once (and even for subset of all people)

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btw. I now understand why you would be so angry about the change because this is also not your first account … (your oldest comment on your profile)

GoodyScratcher12 wrote:

Hey guys,

I think you look wrong at it,

let's say there is a big problem with recidivism on scratch, how will you solve it?

ok there are some unintended side-effects of ip bans,

What about allowing only email servers that require phone number for authentication - which is harder to create for people?

or maybe smtg completely different …

Scratches main demographic is around 8-16 years old so requiring a phone number would make verification more of a hassle.

GoodyScratcher12 wrote:

yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

1. nope, not at all
2. nope, not at all as well
3. they can be easily bypassed anyways, all this does is make it annoying for VPN users

1. sad
2. definitely yes I would like to see 12 yo child to change its IP address or to even come up with the idea of going to some other wi-fi network to ACTIVATE THE ACCOUNT
3. every process has its flaws - you're overthinking this (thing is majority of the people don't know how to overcome them)

I still don't understand what ya all find annoying about activating account by both mobile phone and email since its action that is done just once (and even for subset of all people)

__________

btw. I now understand why you would be so angry about the change because this is also not your first account … (your oldest comment on your profile)

2. Ah boy wait till you see all them smort 12 year olds (and if they cant even figure out how to change their IP, howd they figure out how to get a phone number verified?)
3. Yes, but the cons outweight the pros
4. wait till you hear about this magical thing called alts

yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

GoodyScratcher12 wrote:

yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

1. nope, not at all
2. nope, not at all as well
3. they can be easily bypassed anyways, all this does is make it annoying for VPN users

1. sad
2. definitely yes I would like to see 12 yo child to change its IP address or to even come up with the idea of going to some other wi-fi network to ACTIVATE THE ACCOUNT
3. every process has its flaws - you're overthinking this (thing is majority of the people don't know how to overcome them)

I still don't understand what ya all find annoying about activating account by both mobile phone and email since its action that is done just once (and even for subset of all people)

__________

btw. I now understand why you would be so angry about the change because this is also not your first account … (your oldest comment on your profile)

2. Ah boy wait till you see all them smort 12 year olds (and if they cant even figure out how to change their IP, howd they figure out how to get a phone number verified?)
3. Yes, but the cons outweight the pros
4. wait till you hear about this magical thing called alts

2. idk they will get SMS? and then fill it into scratch? not that hard?
3. ok if you think that the cons outweight the pros it's completely good stance - I don't believe so however I don't have data to support my opinion
4. lol

GoodyScratcher12 wrote:

yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

GoodyScratcher12 wrote:

yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

1. nope, not at all
2. nope, not at all as well
3. they can be easily bypassed anyways, all this does is make it annoying for VPN users

1. sad
2. definitely yes I would like to see 12 yo child to change its IP address or to even come up with the idea of going to some other wi-fi network to ACTIVATE THE ACCOUNT
3. every process has its flaws - you're overthinking this (thing is majority of the people don't know how to overcome them)

I still don't understand what ya all find annoying about activating account by both mobile phone and email since its action that is done just once (and even for subset of all people)

__________

btw. I now understand why you would be so angry about the change because this is also not your first account … (your oldest comment on your profile)

2. Ah boy wait till you see all them smort 12 year olds (and if they cant even figure out how to change their IP, howd they figure out how to get a phone number verified?)
3. Yes, but the cons outweight the pros
4. wait till you hear about this magical thing called alts

2. idk they will get SMS? and then fill it into scratch? not that hard?
3. ok if you think that the cons outweight the pros it's completely good stance - I don't believe so however I don't have data to support my opinion
4. lol

i have too many alts. 24? or 25? somewhere in that amount

undeterminstic wrote:

GoodyScratcher12 wrote:

yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

GoodyScratcher12 wrote:

yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

1. nope, not at all
2. nope, not at all as well
3. they can be easily bypassed anyways, all this does is make it annoying for VPN users

1. sad
2. definitely yes I would like to see 12 yo child to change its IP address or to even come up with the idea of going to some other wi-fi network to ACTIVATE THE ACCOUNT
3. every process has its flaws - you're overthinking this (thing is majority of the people don't know how to overcome them)

I still don't understand what ya all find annoying about activating account by both mobile phone and email since its action that is done just once (and even for subset of all people)

__________

btw. I now understand why you would be so angry about the change because this is also not your first account … (your oldest comment on your profile)

2. Ah boy wait till you see all them smort 12 year olds (and if they cant even figure out how to change their IP, howd they figure out how to get a phone number verified?)
3. Yes, but the cons outweight the pros
4. wait till you hear about this magical thing called alts

2. idk they will get SMS? and then fill it into scratch? not that hard?
3. ok if you think that the cons outweight the pros it's completely good stance - I don't believe so however I don't have data to support my opinion
4. lol

i have too many alts. 24? or 25? somewhere in that amount

oh I was unaware that people tend to have so many alts

GoodyScratcher12 wrote:

oh I was unaware that people tend to have so many alts

no it is mainly just forumers. i only use 3 alts. whilst others are namesnipes or failed experiments

GoodyScratcher12 wrote:

yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

GoodyScratcher12 wrote:

yadayadayadagoodbye wrote:

1. nope, not at all
2. nope, not at all as well
3. they can be easily bypassed anyways, all this does is make it annoying for VPN users

1. sad
2. definitely yes I would like to see 12 yo child to change its IP address or to even come up with the idea of going to some other wi-fi network to ACTIVATE THE ACCOUNT
3. every process has its flaws - you're overthinking this (thing is majority of the people don't know how to overcome them)

I still don't understand what ya all find annoying about activating account by both mobile phone and email since its action that is done just once (and even for subset of all people)

__________

btw. I now understand why you would be so angry about the change because this is also not your first account … (your oldest comment on your profile)

2. Ah boy wait till you see all them smort 12 year olds (and if they cant even figure out how to change their IP, howd they figure out how to get a phone number verified?)
3. Yes, but the cons outweight the pros
4. wait till you hear about this magical thing called alts

2. idk they will get SMS? and then fill it into scratch? not that hard?
3. ok if you think that the cons outweight the pros it's completely good stance - I don't believe so however I don't have data to support my opinion
4. lol

Still harder then bypassing an IP ban : P
3. Well, theres definitly more people using VPNs who'd rather not have to verify their account with phone numbers then there are people using VPNs who do not know other methods of bypassing IP bans and yet are breaking the rules
4. lol indeed

funny how pretty much all arguments against this suggestion also work as arguments for why we shouldn't have ip bans in the first place

arogix342 wrote:

funny how pretty much all arguments against this suggestion also work as arguments for why we shouldn't have ip bans in the first place

IP bans are sometimes necessary, and because of their rarity do not often cause problems.

arogix342 wrote:

funny how pretty much all arguments against this suggestion also work as arguments for why we shouldn't have ip bans in the first place

The difference is the suggestions saying to hand them out like candy, while currently, they're for extreme situations.

TheEpikGamer211 wrote:

vpns exist.

But schools may block them, so if the school's IP gets banned or muted, it'll have that effect to students using that IP. Plus, there's some students who don't have Wi-Fi at their home, so they may be unable to access their account.