Ive said it before and I’ll say it again

The word “from” here indicates something you are all overlooking

What this bans is actually

“Uploading a project from the inside of something that is not an offical editor made by scratch team, or is a modified version of the scratch editor”

It prevents you from uploading a project via any method that isn’t from the scratch website, such as api requests. The “exclusively” list shows the sections that you are allowed to upload a project in.

What this is banning is basically a third party editor mod that would have an “upload” button that would upload the project to the main site.
This is why despite being perfectly doable via api requests. Nothing actually does this.

You CAN make a project via turbowarp, export it, then import it into normal scratch to be uploaded. As you aren’t uploading the project FROM turbowarp, it’s being uploaded from scratch.

TLDR:
You are misinterpreting this. It bans uploading a project via any method that is not FROM the scratch website, NOT projects CREATED via a method apart from the scratch site

mumu245 wrote:

So these are banned?

• Scratch < 1.4.
  
• Any Scratch mod.
  
• Using browser extensions.
  
• Editing the JSON.
  
• Converters such as Tosh.
  
• 2.0/3.0 offline editors.
  

I'm not sure about browser extensions – it depends on what exactly makes the editor “modified”.

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

The word “from” here indicates something you are all overlooking

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

You are misinterpreting this. It bans uploading a project via any method that is not FROM the scratch website, NOT projects CREATED via a method apart from the scratch site

Scratch Terms of Use wrote:

4.4 You may only submit user-generated projects that were created with (1) the Scratch website editor or (2) an unmodified copy of the Scratch editor compiled from the source code described in Section 5.3. You may not upload any projects that were created, by you or by anyone else, with a modified version of the Scratch editor.

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

Ive said it before and I’ll say it again

The word “from” here indicates something you are all overlooking

What this bans is actually

“Uploading a project from the inside of something that is not an offical editor made by scratch team, or is a modified version of the scratch editor”

It prevents you from uploading a project via any method that isn’t from the scratch website, such as api requests. The “exclusively” list shows the sections that you are allowed to upload a project in.

What this is banning is basically a third party editor mod that would have an “upload” button that would upload the project to the main site.
This is why despite being perfectly doable via api requests. Nothing actually does this.

You CAN make a project via turbowarp, export it, then import it into normal scratch to be uploaded. As you aren’t uploading the project FROM turbowarp, it’s being uploaded from scratch.

TLDR:
You are misinterpreting this. It bans uploading a project via any method that is not FROM the scratch website, NOT projects CREATED via a method apart from the scratch site

5.3 refers to scratch 1.4 though

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The word “from” here indicates something you are all overlooking

Oh. I get it now.

bump

support, i really wanna upload a project made using turbowarp

Maximouse wrote:

mumu245 wrote:

So these are banned?

• Scratch < 1.4.
  
• Any Scratch mod.
  
• Using browser extensions.
  
• Editing the JSON.
  
• Converters such as Tosh.
  
• 2.0/3.0 offline editors.
  

I'm not sure about browser extensions – it depends on what exactly makes the editor “modified”.

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

The word “from” here indicates something you are all overlooking

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

You are misinterpreting this. It bans uploading a project via any method that is not FROM the scratch website, NOT projects CREATED via a method apart from the scratch site

Scratch Terms of Use wrote:

4.4 You may only submit user-generated projects that were created with (1) the Scratch website editor or (2) an unmodified copy of the Scratch editor compiled from the source code described in Section 5.3. You may not upload any projects that were created, by you or by anyone else, with a modified version of the Scratch editor.

The “with” isn’t being used as “using” it’s being used as “within”

bump

cookieclickerer33 wrote:

Maximouse wrote:

Scratch Terms of Use wrote:

4.4 You may only submit user-generated projects that were created with (1) the Scratch website editor or (2) an unmodified copy of the Scratch editor compiled from the source code described in Section 5.3. You may not upload any projects that were created, by you or by anyone else, with a modified version of the Scratch editor.

The “with” isn’t being used as “using” it’s being used as “within”

Which doesn't change anything. The meaning is effectively the same- and I don't think that the ST would use the word like that (considering that they likely got a lawyer to write the ToU).

Bump.

It’s also confusing what moderators themselves say. Cheddargirl said that exporting svg files from a modified version of the Scratch editor like Turbowarp is fine because the svg file format is not unique to Scratch.

the more tos that goes away the less rules we have

hotcrystal wrote:

(#110)
It’s also confusing what moderators themselves say. Cheddargirl said that exporting svg files from a modified version of the Scratch editor like Turbowarp is fine because the svg file format is not unique to Scratch.

Of course, you can even use SVGs made in Inkscape, but they likely won't be compatible.

In my opinion, Section 4.4 is limiting our creativity. It includes projects made in Scratch mods that are later imported into regular Scratch and JSON editing. Turbowarp has a lot of good additions like an opacity bar, and it’s a shame the ToU does not allow the importing of a project from there. JSON edited “hacked” blocks can be pretty useful.

Genuinely why is this a rule. Imagine if the only way to write a python program was in notepad, or c++ was banned, and all programmers were required to write code in raw assembly. Not only does this limit creativity, but it completely stops people from making any external tools that scratchers can use. I was going to look into creating something that compiles to an sb3 file, but apparently that's banned. And so is TurboWarp and forkphorus, the most widely used external creation tools. Why?

Edit: It's also really inconsistent. Could we at least get confirmation from the scratch team on why this section still exists?

Really, you should be fine if you break section 4.4, because the Scratch Team has bigger things to worry about than using a non-official Scratch editor to create a project. However this still is a rule, so it’s best to not break it.

Buuummmp.