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scratchcode1_2_3
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An option in account settings to change the site's theme and navigation bar colour

mumu245 wrote:

(#1132)
If you are not logged in, it could be stored in the cookies.
or localStorage too, right? I think localStorage is more permanent and doesn't really expire (sorry if i'm wrong)
IncognitoOrange
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An option in account settings to change the site's theme and navigation bar colour

medians wrote:

What even is this XDD
Also, I love how the max project size limit went from 50MB to 708 GB.
And were people saying that it would “take too much space” or something?
I remember a scratch team member saying something about how the values would use up too much data or something

kinda hilarious how a scratcher ended up proving them wrong XD
Mariominecraftpup
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An option in account settings to change the site's theme and navigation bar colour

full support
medians
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An option in account settings to change the site's theme and navigation bar colour

IncognitoOrange wrote:

medians wrote:

What even is this XDD
Also, I love how the max project size limit went from 50MB to 708 GB.
And were people saying that it would “take too much space” or something?
I remember a scratch team member saying something about how the values would use up too much data or something

kinda hilarious how a scratcher ended up proving them wrong XD
When did the ST member say that LOL

scratchcode1_2_3 wrote:

mumu245 wrote:

(#1132)
If you are not logged in, it could be stored in the cookies.
or localStorage too, right? I think localStorage is more permanent and doesn't really expire (sorry if i'm wrong)
Also maybe the user could download and load the selected settings, just like with forbidden word settings or the buttons from Edit Block Colors?
PizzaPizza72
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An option in account settings to change the site's theme and navigation bar colour

-ElectronicArts- wrote:

among_us1w2 wrote:

i know this sounds very random, but what does a colorblind person see when they see purple?
grey.
Yeah. I really want to say something about the purple but Banana said “no protesting purple” so…

Last edited by PizzaPizza72 (July 11, 2023 19:56:34)

Za-Chary
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An option in account settings to change the site's theme and navigation bar colour

IncognitoOrange wrote:

I remember a scratch team member saying something about how the values would use up too much data or something

kinda hilarious how a scratcher ended up proving them wrong XD
While it is easy for anyone to believe the information that they want to believe, it's important to consider carefully the Scratch Team's reasoning on this, and compare/contrast this reasoning with what you personally know — and who you would rather believe — and whom you trust — and identify your conclusions based on that. While I can't perform this process for you, I do think it's worth saying that I don't think the Scratch Team would be lying about technical details/obstructions with regards to website features.

For those reading this, here are two relevant posts related to this discussion (I think):
https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/694496/?page=6#post-7361815
https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/694496/?page=5#post-7361779

cheddargirl wrote:

Cookies are possibility, but sometimes cookies can be a legal snarl to work depending on the region, and even if it wasn't it won't do much good for users whose browsers don't save cookies, especially for most school computers for which the majority of our users are using (returning back to the issue of users having to always pick their custom colors every single login).

cheddargirl wrote:

An analogy to think about: crayons can come in a 3-pack, usually as red-blue-yellow, let's call it Pack A. But let's say there's new 3-pack of cyan-magenta-yellow, let's call it Pack B. You pick one of two packs, and all we have to do is make a note of you pack choice, A or B. And if someone suggests a new 3-pack combo of blue-green-red Pack C, all we have to do is make that new pack and offer it as an option so users chose from A, B, or C. Or maybe someone suggests that the packs be changed to a 4 pack to add an extra color, and that's fine too. Either way, we're only dealing with a small selection, we just have to remember which set of colors go with Packs A, B, C.

Now try to imagine if people were allowed to custom choose three of their own crayons from a 128-megapack. That's 2,048,256 potential unique crayon combo choices to be aware of. Saving that info might be fine when dealing with a tiny crowd of 10 people, but it can start to look really hairy when dealing with a large crowd of 10,000.

Technology can change (and who knows, maybe future technology out there can help make it feel like a tiny crowd picking from a 128 pack) but as of right now, it would be better to think of in terms of presets. Based on the suggestion discussion so far, maybe the potential for a monochrome preset would be a more practical option?
cheddargirl
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An option in account settings to change the site's theme and navigation bar colour

sonic__fan wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

Reopened, but if it gets shut down one more time due to spam or purple-hate-venting, the thread will be locked. We're still open to the idea of customization, but we will not be entertaining the suggestion if it's going to serve as a shield for people using aesthetics as a reason to exclude those who need the purple color due to visual problems (myself included).
It's kinda your fault (well, not you specifically, but rather the Scratch Team), as this only helps the people that see purple better (what about people with other types of colorblindness, or other vision problems in general?) and you forgot about the majority of your userbase (the people that prefer the blue and think the purple is ugly).
This video goes into more detail than I could.
The video posted about high contrast did say we were planning to add other future color changes, we haven't forgotten, we just haven't gotten around to the other yet, and instead went for the most major one.

But it sounds more like this suggestion is currently being spear-headed by people who are pro-blue, which is very unusual since the suggestion made in 2018 - as in people wanted something else other than old blue. So maybe in a few months when things die down we'll reopen the suggestion, but as of right now, probably a close is in order.
PaperMarioFan2022
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An option in account settings to change the site's theme and navigation bar colour

cheddargirl wrote:

(#1139)
But it sounds more like this suggestion is currently being spear-headed by people who are pro-blue, which is very unusual since the suggestion made in 2018 - as in people wanted something else other than old blue. So maybe in a few months when things die down we'll reopen the suggestion, but as of right now, probably a close is in order.
I hate to ask this now, but is a bump necessary in this topic? I know this discussion is on thin ice right now. Also, I found a duped topic of this one anyway.

Last edited by PaperMarioFan2022 (July 13, 2023 13:19:31)

MythosLore
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An option in account settings to change the site's theme and navigation bar colour

PaperMarioFan2022 wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

(#1139)
But it sounds more like this suggestion is currently being spear-headed by people who are pro-blue, which is very unusual since the suggestion made in 2018 - as in people wanted something else other than old blue. So maybe in a few months when things die down we'll reopen the suggestion, but as of right now, probably a close is in order.
I hate to ask this now, but is a bump necessary in this topic? I know this discussion is on thin ice right now. Also, I found a duped topic of this one anyway.
Here, @k7e asked @cheddargirl about this (on “Rain Frog”), and she said to report them to be closed as a duplicate of a closed topic.

I don't know if this topic was intentionally reopened, or if its still supposed to be closed. However, @cheddargirl said that this wasn't supposed to be reopened for a couple of months.
PaperMarioFan2022
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An option in account settings to change the site's theme and navigation bar colour

MythosLore wrote:

(#1141)

PaperMarioFan2022 wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

(#1139)
But it sounds more like this suggestion is currently being spear-headed by people who are pro-blue, which is very unusual since the suggestion made in 2018 - as in people wanted something else other than old blue. So maybe in a few months when things die down we'll reopen the suggestion, but as of right now, probably a close is in order.
I hate to ask this now, but is a bump necessary in this topic? I know this discussion is on thin ice right now. Also, I found a duped topic of this one anyway.
Here, @k7e asked @cheddargirl about this (on “Rain Frog”), and she said to report them to be closed as a duplicate of a closed topic.

I don't know if this topic was intentionally reopened, or if its still supposed to be closed. However, @cheddargirl said that this wasn't supposed to be reopened for a couple of months.
Okay. Still, I don't know why this has been re-opened.
IncognitoOrange
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An option in account settings to change the site's theme and navigation bar colour

For the idea of pre-sets, I think having purple, blue, a dark mode, and a high-contrast mode would be some good options, but if customization does end up becoming an option the preset should be purple
IncognitoOrange
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An option in account settings to change the site's theme and navigation bar colour

MythosLore wrote:

However, @cheddargirl said that this wasn't supposed to be reopened for a couple of months.
I think it might’ve been re-opened by mistake, but while we have the chance we should discuss details about the possible change (before it’s closed again)
PaperMarioFan2022
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An option in account settings to change the site's theme and navigation bar colour

IncognitoOrange wrote:

(#1144)

MythosLore wrote:

However, @cheddargirl said that this wasn't supposed to be reopened for a couple of months.
I think it might’ve been re-opened by mistake, but while we have the chance we should discuss details about the possible change (before it’s closed again)
I think it was lol. There can be some slight changes and modifications to the preset of the contrast purple in my opinion.
#634ea8

Last edited by PaperMarioFan2022 (July 13, 2023 14:36:36)

balleriana_coder
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An option in account settings to change the site's theme and navigation bar colour

PaperMarioFan2022 wrote:

IncognitoOrange wrote:

(#1144)

MythosLore wrote:

However, @cheddargirl said that this wasn't supposed to be reopened for a couple of months.
I think it might’ve been re-opened by mistake, but while we have the chance we should discuss details about the possible change (before it’s closed again)
I think it was lol. There can be some slight changes and modifications to the preset of the contrast purple in my opinion.
#634ea8
Cool idea I can definitely see that being done
cheddargirl
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An option in account settings to change the site's theme and navigation bar colour

IncognitoOrange wrote:

MythosLore wrote:

However, @cheddargirl said that this wasn't supposed to be reopened for a couple of months.
I think it might’ve been re-opened by mistake, but while we have the chance we should discuss details about the possible change (before it’s closed again)
Yeah, I’m not sure why it got reopened, I’ve reclosed it.

The last viable discussion point had a mock-up for a limited color palette; you can take a few months off to think about limited alternative colors as a good point for next discussion. Obviously no old Scratch blue or choices based on aesthetics - your choices will need to have the visually-impaired in mind.
redspacecat
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An option in account settings to change the site's theme and navigation bar colour

When was this reopened?
ajskateboarder
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An option in account settings to change the site's theme and navigation bar colour

redspacecat wrote:

When was this reopened?
Probably today. Very nice

I still think the colors should be able to be modified to whatever color you want. There's nothing wrong in asking for that, and limited themes is only going to lead to people suggesting more themes anyway

Him_is_bob wrote:

support since (extension) is the only way not to make it look like dog *
Please don't name browser extensions
sonic__fan
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An option in account settings to change the site's theme and navigation bar colour

yooo this has been reopened

I believe the discussion was heading towards pre-sets, as having custom colors for each user would take a ton of space.
So, I'd like to show some pre-sets that I've thought of
  • Normal (white, pink header)
  • Dark Mode (black, pink header)
  • Protanopia - Normal (white, replace all red with green)
  • Protanopia - Dark (black, replace all red with green)
  • Deuteranopia - Normal (white, replace all green with red)
  • Deuteranopia - Dark (black, replace all green with red)
  • Tritanopia - Normal (white, replace all blue with orange)
  • Tritanopia - Dark (black, replace all blue with orange)
  • Original (white, blue header)
  • Original - Dark (black, blue header)
I listed the three types of colorblindness where certain colors are imperceivable, but we can also add the varients where those colors are slightly seen.

Last edited by sonic__fan (Sept. 25, 2023 20:15:21)

k7e
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An option in account settings to change the site's theme and navigation bar colour

sonic__fan wrote:

yooo this has been reopened

I believe the discussion was heading towards pre-sets, as having custom colors for each user would take a ton of space.
So, I'd like to show some pre-sets that I've thought of
  • Normal (white, blue header)
  • Dark Mode (black, blue header)
  • Protanopia - Normal (white, replace all red with green)
  • Protanopia - Dark (black, replace all red with green)
  • Deuteranopia - Normal (white, replace all green with red)
  • Deuteranopia - Dark (black, replace all green with red)
  • Tritanopia - Normal (white, replace all blue with orange)
  • Tritanopia - Dark (black, replace all blue with orange)
  • High Contrast (white, pink header)
I listed the three types of colorblindness where certain colors are imperceivable, but we can also add the varients where those colors are slightly seen.
Why should blue be the default header color rather than purple?

Also, here are some mockups (using the existing palette colors):

Last edited by k7e (Sept. 25, 2023 20:09:13)

Elijah999999
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An option in account settings to change the site's theme and navigation bar colour

sonic__fan wrote:

yooo this has been reopened

I believe the discussion was heading towards pre-sets, as having custom colors for each user would take a ton of space.
So, I'd like to show some pre-sets that I've thought of
Why would we go from blue-normal, to purple-normal, and then make blue normal again?

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