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debate the merits of operating systems for the 5,764th time topic

Debate about OSes here.

Last edited by PPPDUD (March 5, 2023 16:07:00)

applejuiceproduc
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debate the merits of operating systems for the 5,764th time topic

PPPDUD wrote:

Debate about OSes here.
This will be closed in the next week. Bet.
applejuiceproduc
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debate the merits of operating systems for the 5,764th time topic

So windows users, why is windows better.

Last time I asked that question:
*on a project about Linux*

End of thread, they didn't have a reason.
PPPDUD
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debate the merits of operating systems for the 5,764th time topic

applejuiceproduc wrote:

So windows users, why is windows better.

Last time I asked that question:
*on a project about Linux*

End of thread, they didn't have a reason.
Microsoft Windows NT has less vulnerabilities than Linux, according to Microsoft. Windows is way less command-line focused. Windows is older. Windows has less distributions.
applejuiceproduc
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debate the merits of operating systems for the 5,764th time topic

PPPDUD wrote:

applejuiceproduc wrote:

So windows users, why is windows better.

Last time I asked that question:
*on a project about Linux*

End of thread, they didn't have a reason.
Microsoft Windows NT has less vulnerabilities than Linux, according to Microsoft. Windows is way less command-line focused. Windows is older. Windows has less distributions.
1. Less vunrebelities: No. Thats 100% lies. I don't even need proof, but here it is: https://medium.com/codex/5-reasons-why-linux-is-more-secure-than-windows-1d036c3d3324 (and there is no way you can say this source is biased, unlike *according to windows*

2. Less command line focused: fair enough, this *can* be better for new users, but: 1. For power users (like most devs) it's actually bad, rather than good. 2. As distros are getting better at hiding the command line so only people who want to use it need to, this point becomes nothing.

3. Windows is older: That on it's own means nothing. Sometimes you could say it's older so it has less bugs and stuff, but this isn't true for windows.

4. Less Distributions: Similar to point 2, this is good for power users, but some work needs to be done to help new users easily and quickly pick a distro that is good for them.
PPPDUD
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debate the merits of operating systems for the 5,764th time topic

applejuiceproduc wrote:

PPPDUD wrote:

applejuiceproduc wrote:

So windows users, why is windows better.

Last time I asked that question:
*on a project about Linux*

End of thread, they didn't have a reason.
Microsoft Windows NT has less vulnerabilities than Linux, according to Microsoft. Windows is way less command-line focused. Windows is older. Windows has less distributions.
1. Less vunrebelities: No. Thats 100% lies. I don't even need proof, but here it is: https://medium.com/codex/5-reasons-why-linux-is-more-secure-than-windows-1d036c3d3324 (and there is no way you can say this source is biased, unlike *according to windows*

2. Less command line focused: fair enough, this *can* be better for new users, but: 1. For power users (like most devs) it's actually bad, rather than good. 2. As distros are getting better at hiding the command line so only people who want to use it need to, this point becomes nothing.

3. Windows is older: That on it's own means nothing. Sometimes you could say it's older so it has less bugs and stuff, but this isn't true for windows.

4. Less Distributions: Similar to point 2, this is good for power users, but some work needs to be done to help new users easily and quickly pick a distro that is good for them.
Have you even seen how much Microsoft updates Windows? They do it because they care about their userbase.
applejuiceproduc
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debate the merits of operating systems for the 5,764th time topic

PPPDUD wrote:

applejuiceproduc wrote:

PPPDUD wrote:

applejuiceproduc wrote:

So windows users, why is windows better.

Last time I asked that question:
*on a project about Linux*

End of thread, they didn't have a reason.
Microsoft Windows NT has less vulnerabilities than Linux, according to Microsoft. Windows is way less command-line focused. Windows is older. Windows has less distributions.
1. Less vunrebelities: No. Thats 100% lies. I don't even need proof, but here it is: https://medium.com/codex/5-reasons-why-linux-is-more-secure-than-windows-1d036c3d3324 (and there is no way you can say this source is biased, unlike *according to windows*

2. Less command line focused: fair enough, this *can* be better for new users, but: 1. For power users (like most devs) it's actually bad, rather than good. 2. As distros are getting better at hiding the command line so only people who want to use it need to, this point becomes nothing.

3. Windows is older: That on it's own means nothing. Sometimes you could say it's older so it has less bugs and stuff, but this isn't true for windows.

4. Less Distributions: Similar to point 2, this is good for power users, but some work needs to be done to help new users easily and quickly pick a distro that is good for them.
Have you even seen how much Microsoft updates Windows? They do it because they care about their userbase.
How much do they? I rarely see the updates. One poplar Linux tool, called vi updates EVERY SINGLE DAY. Beat that windows.

As for OS's, I always see software updates like every few days so….
PPPDUD
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debate the merits of operating systems for the 5,764th time topic

applejuiceproduc wrote:

PPPDUD wrote:

applejuiceproduc wrote:

PPPDUD wrote:

applejuiceproduc wrote:

So windows users, why is windows better.

Last time I asked that question:
*on a project about Linux*

End of thread, they didn't have a reason.
Microsoft Windows NT has less vulnerabilities than Linux, according to Microsoft. Windows is way less command-line focused. Windows is older. Windows has less distributions.
1. Less vunrebelities: No. Thats 100% lies. I don't even need proof, but here it is: https://medium.com/codex/5-reasons-why-linux-is-more-secure-than-windows-1d036c3d3324 (and there is no way you can say this source is biased, unlike *according to windows*

2. Less command line focused: fair enough, this *can* be better for new users, but: 1. For power users (like most devs) it's actually bad, rather than good. 2. As distros are getting better at hiding the command line so only people who want to use it need to, this point becomes nothing.

3. Windows is older: That on it's own means nothing. Sometimes you could say it's older so it has less bugs and stuff, but this isn't true for windows.

4. Less Distributions: Similar to point 2, this is good for power users, but some work needs to be done to help new users easily and quickly pick a distro that is good for them.
Have you even seen how much Microsoft updates Windows? They do it because they care about their userbase.
How much do they? I rarely see the updates. One poplar Linux tool, called vi updates EVERY SINGLE DAY. Beat that windows.

As for OS's, I always see software updates like every few days so….
Feels like they do it weekly. They also supply tools that allow for people to remove rootkits, while Linux has literally no obvious recovery tool to fight rootkits.
applejuiceproduc
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debate the merits of operating systems for the 5,764th time topic

PPPDUD wrote:

applejuiceproduc wrote:

PPPDUD wrote:

applejuiceproduc wrote:

PPPDUD wrote:

applejuiceproduc wrote:

So windows users, why is windows better.

Last time I asked that question:
*on a project about Linux*

End of thread, they didn't have a reason.
Microsoft Windows NT has less vulnerabilities than Linux, according to Microsoft. Windows is way less command-line focused. Windows is older. Windows has less distributions.
1. Less vunrebelities: No. Thats 100% lies. I don't even need proof, but here it is: https://medium.com/codex/5-reasons-why-linux-is-more-secure-than-windows-1d036c3d3324 (and there is no way you can say this source is biased, unlike *according to windows*

2. Less command line focused: fair enough, this *can* be better for new users, but: 1. For power users (like most devs) it's actually bad, rather than good. 2. As distros are getting better at hiding the command line so only people who want to use it need to, this point becomes nothing.

3. Windows is older: That on it's own means nothing. Sometimes you could say it's older so it has less bugs and stuff, but this isn't true for windows.

4. Less Distributions: Similar to point 2, this is good for power users, but some work needs to be done to help new users easily and quickly pick a distro that is good for them.
Have you even seen how much Microsoft updates Windows? They do it because they care about their userbase.
How much do they? I rarely see the updates. One poplar Linux tool, called vi updates EVERY SINGLE DAY. Beat that windows.

As for OS's, I always see software updates like every few days so….
Feels like they do it weekly. They also supply tools that allow for people to remove rootkits, while Linux has literally no obvious recovery tool to fight rootkits.
What are rootkits? They sound like something silly which windows has which linux doesn't have.
PPPDUD
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debate the merits of operating systems for the 5,764th time topic

applejuiceproduc wrote:

PPPDUD wrote:

applejuiceproduc wrote:

PPPDUD wrote:

applejuiceproduc wrote:

PPPDUD wrote:

applejuiceproduc wrote:

So windows users, why is windows better.

Last time I asked that question:
*on a project about Linux*

End of thread, they didn't have a reason.
Microsoft Windows NT has less vulnerabilities than Linux, according to Microsoft. Windows is way less command-line focused. Windows is older. Windows has less distributions.
1. Less vunrebelities: No. Thats 100% lies. I don't even need proof, but here it is: https://medium.com/codex/5-reasons-why-linux-is-more-secure-than-windows-1d036c3d3324 (and there is no way you can say this source is biased, unlike *according to windows*

2. Less command line focused: fair enough, this *can* be better for new users, but: 1. For power users (like most devs) it's actually bad, rather than good. 2. As distros are getting better at hiding the command line so only people who want to use it need to, this point becomes nothing.

3. Windows is older: That on it's own means nothing. Sometimes you could say it's older so it has less bugs and stuff, but this isn't true for windows.

4. Less Distributions: Similar to point 2, this is good for power users, but some work needs to be done to help new users easily and quickly pick a distro that is good for them.
Have you even seen how much Microsoft updates Windows? They do it because they care about their userbase.
How much do they? I rarely see the updates. One poplar Linux tool, called vi updates EVERY SINGLE DAY. Beat that windows.

As for OS's, I always see software updates like every few days so….
Feels like they do it weekly. They also supply tools that allow for people to remove rootkits, while Linux has literally no obvious recovery tool to fight rootkits.
What are rootkits? They sound like something silly which windows has which linux doesn't have.
Rootkits are really bad malware that rewrite system files. It isn't Windows-exclusive; most OSes (like Linux) can be infected.
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debate the merits of operating systems for the 5,764th time topic

PPPDUD wrote:

applejuiceproduc wrote:

So windows users, why is windows better userbase.
How much do they? I rarely see the updates. One poplar Linux tool, called vi updates EVERY SINGLE DAY. Beat that windows.

As for OS's, I always see software updates like every few days so….
Well they're probably just those unofficial buggy “fork updates” which do basically nothing.
No popular distros of Linux have supported software updates. Most just have a major one every 1/2 years, and Windows can do it in weeks.
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debate the merits of operating systems for the 5,764th time topic

jellyfishfisher56 wrote:

PPPDUD wrote:

applejuiceproduc wrote:

So windows users, why is windows better userbase.
How much do they? I rarely see the updates. One poplar Linux tool, called vi updates EVERY SINGLE DAY. Beat that windows.

As for OS's, I always see software updates like every few days so….
Well they're probably just those unofficial buggy “fork updates” which do basically nothing.
No popular distros of Linux have supported software updates. Most just have a major one every 1/2 years, and Windows can do it in weeks.
The 1/2 year updates are like from windows 10 to windows 11.

You also always get bug fix update really quickly. And if you want updates really badly, choose a rolling release distro.
ScratchCatHELLO
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debate the merits of operating systems for the 5,764th time topic

PPPDUD wrote:

Microsoft Windows NT has less vulnerabilities than Linux, according to Microsoft.

microsoft is not biased towards windows at all

Windows is way less command-line focused.

it’s not really that bad to use the terminal, and if you don’t want to you don’t really have to, provided you install a decent distro.

Windows is older.

so?

Windows has less distributions.

that’s not a benefit. it limits choice. regardless, there are only a handful of distros worth installing, and it’s not that hard to figure out which by looking at popularity.
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debate the merits of operating systems for the 5,764th time topic

ScratchCatHELLO wrote:

PPPDUD wrote:

Microsoft Windows NT has less vulnerabilities than Linux, according to Microsoft.

microsoft is not biased towards windows at all

Windows is way less command-line focused.

it’s not really that bad to use the terminal, and if you don’t want to you don’t really have to, provided you install a decent distro.

Windows is older.

so?

Windows has less distributions.

that’s not a benefit. it limits choice. regardless, there are only a handful of distros worth installing, and it’s not that hard to figure out which by looking at popularity.
Less distros = less hard descions
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debate the merits of operating systems for the 5,764th time topic

as for updates, my linux mint install receives incremental updates all the time. it tells me there’s updates with an icon in the corner, and it only takes two clicks and a password prompt to make my system up-to-date. better yet, the update manager has (I’m pretty sure) a phased release process so that usually updates that move to it are safe.
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debate the merits of operating systems for the 5,764th time topic

5 reasons how Microsoft does not care about their users:

Windows 11
Proposal of ads in explorer
Updates that have literally ERASED user data
Unsolicited restarts
Obstructive edge advertising and pushing

I've seen arguments about iOS users saying iPhones are more secure with literally 0 evidence provided to back that up, you are doing the same thing but with Windows.

Last edited by MagicCrayon9342 (March 4, 2023 20:58:13)

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debate the merits of operating systems for the 5,764th time topic

ScratchCatHELLO wrote:

as for updates, my linux mint install receives incremental updates all the time. it tells me there’s updates with an icon in the corner, and it only takes two clicks and a password prompt to make my system up-to-date. better yet, the update manager has (I’m pretty sure) a phased release process so that usually updates that move to it are safe.
Windows does it in three clicks without a password prompt. Much more convenient.
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debate the merits of operating systems for the 5,764th time topic

PPPDUD wrote:

Less distros = less hard descions

hard? most distros recommended to beginners are just ubuntu derivatives that are usually only slightly different. just pick a popular desktop distro and move on. all of them will work fine.
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debate the merits of operating systems for the 5,764th time topic

PPPDUD wrote:

ScratchCatHELLO wrote:

as for updates, my linux mint install receives incremental updates all the time. it tells me there’s updates with an icon in the corner, and it only takes two clicks and a password prompt to make my system up-to-date. better yet, the update manager has (I’m pretty sure) a phased release process so that usually updates that move to it are safe.
Windows does it in three clicks without a password prompt. Much more convenient.

the password prompt takes like three seconds and is to make sure that you actually want to go ahead and do it. mint also has much better driver management than windows. but we’re splitting hairs at this point.
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debate the merits of operating systems for the 5,764th time topic

ScratchCatHELLO wrote:

PPPDUD wrote:

ScratchCatHELLO wrote:

as for updates, my linux mint install receives incremental updates all the time. it tells me there’s updates with an icon in the corner, and it only takes two clicks and a password prompt to make my system up-to-date. better yet, the update manager has (I’m pretty sure) a phased release process so that usually updates that move to it are safe.
Windows does it in three clicks without a password prompt. Much more convenient.

the password prompt takes like three seconds and is to make sure that you actually want to go ahead and do it. mint also has much better driver management than windows. but we’re splitting hairs at this point.
I can run a system update in 2 clicks. One click on the terminal, one onto the terminal's window. And take the 3 seconds it takes to run the upgrade command and type my password.

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