The Collaborative Frondosian Conlang, Conworld, and Conculture

dracodrak

The title says almost all.

The ideas we have so far:

1. A writing system that is like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirth in appearance, but logographic.
– @kkidslogin

dracodrak

But logographies are intimidating (o - o")

kkidslogin

dracodrak wrote:
But logographies are intimidating (o - o")

They are on one hand, on the other hand they may be simpler than some things (If you don't run out of symbols). If we do run out of symbols I suggest a syllibiary.

dracodrak

How are they simpler?

kkidslogin

dracodrak wrote:
How are they simpler?

You don't have to think up words, only symbols. I find symbols are easier for my mind to create then words (Which is odd… I'm not very artistic . Mostly I code).

dracodrak

Idea 2.
We must include and in the phonology because; a while back (six months ago) @onegoha asked what peoples' favorite IPA letters were. The only people who are now in Frondosia who answered were @Redstone1080 and myself. And (among other answers and greatly simplified) we liked and .

Anyway, I am sending out that question again, to Frondosians specifically: What are your favorite phonemes or IPA letters that you want to include in the conlang?
You can also give non-IPA letters that you think would look cool in our romanization.

kkidslogin

dracodrak wrote:
Idea 2.
We must include and in the phonology because; a while back (six months ago) @onegoha asked what peoples' favorite IPA letters were. The only people who are now in Frondosia who answered were @Redstone1080 and myself. And (among other answers and greatly simplified) we liked and .

Anyway, I am sending out that question again, to Frondosians specifically: What are your favorite phonemes or IPA letters that you want to include in the conlang?
You can also give non-IPA letters that you think would look cool in our romanization.

Alr. I like those. But they don't show up in the forums, only when you edit (or quote) the post can you see them.

I like ɣ. For it's appearance, not it's sound.

Last edited by kkidslogin (Oct. 3, 2022 12:30:37)

dracodrak

Oops. You're right, they don't show up. Which one were you liking? I was referring to the voiceless alveolar lateral fricative and the voiced uvular trill.

kkidslogin

dracodrak wrote:
Oops. You're right, they don't show up. Which one were you liking? I was referring to the voiceless alveolar lateral fricative and the voiced uvular trill.

Quote it and you can see. Or, maybe all we need to do is remove the square braces?

dracodrak

I like . For it's appearance, not it's sound.

dracodrak

Still not showing up. If you go to the Wikipedia “IPA pulmonic consonant chart with audio” you can click on it and it will take you to the page on that phone so you can give me its full name.

Anyway, which ones do you like for sound?

kkidslogin

dracodrak wrote:
Still not showing up. If you go to the Wikipedia “IPA pulmonic consonant chart with audio” you can click on it and it will take you to the page on that phone so you can give me its full name.

Anyway, which ones do you like for sound?

I edited it to remove the square braces, you can see it now. The forums uses the square braces for special things, so stuff in them is hidden. It's called BBScript or something, and is used to

somebody wrote:
quote people

, make text big, small, or even colorful.

dracodrak

kkidslogin wrote:
dracodrak wrote:
How are they simpler?
You don't have to think up words, only symbols. I find symbols are easier for my mind to create then words (Which is odd… I'm not very artistic . Mostly I code).

I'm sorry, I don't understand.

dracodrak

kkidslogin wrote:
I edited it to remove the square braces, you can see it now. The forums uses the square braces for special things, so stuff in them is hidden. It's called BBScript or something, and is used to
somebody wrote:
quote people
, make text big, small, or even colorful.

Ohhh! I see it now! That's the voiced velar fricative, not the similar-looking vowel?
(Although if you like the look of it we could have the fricative or the vowel)

kkidslogin

dracodrak wrote:
kkidslogin wrote:
I edited it to remove the square braces, you can see it now. The forums uses the square braces for special things, so stuff in them is hidden. It's called BBScript or something, and is used to
somebody wrote:
quote people
, make text big, small, or even colorful.

Ohhh! I see it now! That's the voiced velar fricative, not the similar-looking vowel?
(Although if you like the look of it we could have the fricative or the vowel)

It's also the Greek letter Delta. I just think it's pretty, I have no idea how to pronounce it (Like most IPA symbols that aren't plain English letters…).

dracodrak

dracodrak wrote:
The ideas we have so far:

1. A writing system that is like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirth in appearance, but logographic.
– @kkidslogin

I was thinking we could have the original logographic script be more Mayan- and Egyptian Hieroglyph-like, and make it have a simpler Rune-like descendant that represented phonemes.

I'm not a fan of the idea of a Runic logography and I want to really like the logography before I learn it, because I'll have to be spending a lot of time with it to memorize all the glyphs.

dracodrak

kkidslogin wrote:
It's also the Greek letter Delta. I just think it's pretty, I have no idea how to pronounce it (Like most IPA symbols that aren't plain English letters…).

Okay.

The way you pronounce ɣ is like g, but it's a fricative instead of a stop.

I don't know how to pronounce ɤ. My “character map” (possibly Unicode) says it's an “upper-mid back unrounded vowel”

My “character map” also says that ɣ is “Latin small letter gamma” and ɤ is “Latin small letter ram's horn” or “Latin small letter baby gamma.”
If I hop over to the Greek section… δ is my computer's idea of a Greek lowercase letter delta.
Not sure what's going on there.

kkidslogin

dracodrak wrote:
kkidslogin wrote:
It's also the Greek letter Delta. I just think it's pretty, I have no idea how to pronounce it (Like most IPA symbols that aren't plain English letters…).

Okay.

The way you pronounce ɣ is like g, but it's a fricative instead of a stop.

I don't know how to pronounce ɤ. My “character map” (possibly Unicode) says it's an “upper-mid back unrounded vowel”

My “character map” also says that ɣ is “Latin small letter gamma” and ɤ is “Latin small letter ram's horn” or “Latin small letter baby gamma.”
If I hop over to the Greek section… δ is my computer's idea of a Greek lowercase letter delta.
Not sure what's going on there.

Oh, then it's Gamma (It's greek, “Latin” gets applied to most non-standard-English versions of modern letters, including ones with various marks on them and the Greek alphabet, despite the fact that latin used non of that)

dracodrak

okie-dokie

Do you have anything to say on #16?

kkidslogin

Whether or not we do a logography (I'm up for either equally at this point), we need to start figuring out the sounds of the language and the orthography.

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