Conilingua 2 (Revival)

randomguyboi

Phonology & Romanization:
a-a~æ~ɑ~ɐ~ɒ
b-b
c-tʃ~ʃ
d-d
e-e~ø~ɛ~ə
f-f~v
g-g
h-h
i-i~y~ɪ~ʏ
k-k
l-l~ɫ~ʟ
m-m
n-n
o-o~ɔ~ʌ
p-p
q-kʷ
r-whatever rhotic
s-s~ts
t-t
u-ʉ̟~u~ʊ~ʊ̈
v/w-w~ʋ
x-x~ɣ~kʰ
y/j-j
z-z~dz~dʒ~ʒ

<v> is only used in loanwords where it was used
<j> is used when /j/ is in front of a vowel. Otherwise, you use <y>
<l> is for before vowels UNLESS there is a consonant before it. <r> is everywhere else.

Phonotactics:
Vowels from different syllables may not be next to each other in pronunciation (e.g. no <aei> (suggestion from @mybearworld)
Vowels that are the same from different syllables, when next to each other, merge into long vowels. This merged syllable still counts as two syllables, however, and a triple-long or quadruple-long vowel cannot exist.
Diphthongs are allowed. The diphthongs allowed are: <ai, ao, ia, io, oa, oi, oe, ou, ue, ua, ea, ei, eo, eu>
no /w/ or /j/ in the onset.
If three consecutive syllables have the same vowel, the third gets deleted. If four consecutive syllables have the same vowel, however, every other vowel gets changed to the next one on this list:i/u>o>e>a>u
syllable structure is (C)(F)V(L)(C)
Grammar:
SVO for statements, VOS for questions
Some Words:

lingua- language
coniz - common
anam - name
fingan - thing
merogis - border
wesan - to be, adjectival marker, state marker, expression of an adjective or state
zale - to go (to), to travel (to), to transfer between two things, to transform into
kanka - container, can, box, to contain
ates- front
medio - middle
kulej -  back
eja - yes, on 
ne - no, zero, off 
pars - a part of, a fraction 
unu - one 
deo - two 
teria - three
caher - four
kuugej - five
ces - six
sejou - seven
asta - eight
cejou - nine 
teg - ten
unifet - eleven
dekana - twelve
teriaces - 18
caherces - 24
kuuces - 30
nif - 36
cesnif - 216
fue - a few
bahu - many, a lot
gan(m) - person
roi - royal (any royal)
ketin - small, young
gata - large, old
berili - bright
sene - hot
gaiha - temperate
mena - cold
jur - celestial body
up - up
downe - down
rit - right
lifet - left
toles - the, but only used when the thing being described is either: a) not the subject or topic of the discussion, but still definite or b) being highlighted for emphasis
qe - and
qis - who, what (who is also qos tewtex if more specificity is required)
qos - which
qid - why
qija - because
qeve - or
qesi - if
for - accusative
fau - dative
fejin - genitive
fetwoko - ablative
fepi - adessive (at/by)
feduken - pertingent and locative cases 
feto - allative & illative (to, into, onto)
tewtex - a group of people, a nation, also 1 person but only in questions 
ped - foot, end
man - hand
cap - head, beginning, title, heading
pedov - walk 
manov - climb
capov - nod
ov - move, change position
nou - now
pre - before, earlier
poc - after, later
tempo - time
naso - dawn, early morning
neyta - day
nuno - dusk, evening
nekto - night
neynek - a full day-night cycle
roxjo - red
rutile - orange
ejeo - yellow
gere - green
lazula - blue
violace - purple
xitas - white
gris - grey
dubus - black
feilos - cat
canik - dog
vulpes - fox
eqos - horse
sos - pig 
ornito - bird
leo - lion
pises - fish
aires - sheep
taura - cow
capra - goat
elafi - deer
keito - system
gxa - chicken 
aro - eagle
kaplewk - hawk
xuwoh - owl
minjao - small bird, especially songbird
kasa - house
lito - bed
nase - know
sevar - see
kroc - scratch (action)
tzurki - scratch (website), from scratch
projana - project, hobby
aero - air
weva - wave
sefro- sphere
kubi - cube
serkor - circle
teriangel - triangle
caherangel - quadrilateral
angel - angle
pato - flat
manjo - eat
gwero - war/conflict
komens - start, commence
flojo - flower
pejotin - flower petal
tree - arbo
kitibo - plant
viso - life
aviso - animal
bora - north
orien - east
auster - south
oksidar - west
gejom - winter
wozer - spring
semex - summer
atuma - fall
Unumenur - first month (starts March 20th, is 31 days)
Deomenur - second month (is also 31 days)
Triamenur - third month (also 31 days)
Cahermenur - fourth month (still 31 days)
Kuumenur - fifth month (32 days this time)
Cesmenur - sixth month (back to 31 days)
Sejoumenur - seventh month (30 days)
Astamenur - eighth month (30 days)
Cejoumenur - ninth month (30 days again)
Tegmenur - tenth month (also 30 days)
Unifmenur - eleventh month (29 days)
Dekamenur - twelfth month (30 days)
neynek - full day, 24 hrs
natsis - dawn quarter-day (figuratively, the beginning)
neytis - noontime quarter-day (figuratively, the peak)
nuntis - dusk quarter-day (figuratively, the downfall)
nektis - night quarter-day (figuratively, the low point)
dextis - hour-equivalent, 40 min
tiid - minute-equivalent, about 67 seconds
tuhoki second-equivalent, about 2 seconds
horolowzia - clock
shutsi - digital (relating to digits or concrete values)
neprekosnet - analog
cagxe - time (within a day)
deuver - a long time
More coming soon

and affixes, sorted by the position they are in the word (e.g. prefixes before infixes or circumfixes before suffixes)

a(n)- - subjunctive/indefinte
med- - middle
n(e)- - not, opposite
omni- - all
-(e)mi - first person
-(e)tu - second person
-(e)ba - third person masculine
-(aw)ti - third person feminine
-(o)da - third person neuter
-(u)k - third person inanimate
-ren - a suffix that indicates that the number applies to the pronoun on the word after the number rather than the object itself.
-exian - basically our version of "-illion" (also superlative form of ad___)
-mas - male
-dej - female
-neqos - neuter
-of - thing being possessed
-(d)on - noun suffix
-(d)om - verb suffix
-y - adjectival suffix, used exactly how it is in English.
-go - adverbial suffix, for verbs or adjectives to adverbs.
-(o)t - adadjectival suffix, for adjectives into adadjectives
-menet - process
-(i)ke - lighter
-(a)ga - darker
-(a)xi - desaturated (grayer)

And for a few common toponyms:
Amerika-fepi-Bora (fejin Bahupars) - (United States of) America (USA would be ABB)
Feransia - France
Doicia - Germany
Kanadia - Canada
Nihonia - Japan
Sunkwoya - China
Rosiya - Russia
Ukrajia - Ukraine

Last edited by randomguyboi (July 6, 2022 23:49:39)

Canelo--

Grammar Suggestions: SVO word order normally, perhaps with another for questions. Adjectives go on whichever side of the noun (like in Esperanto), and we have some form for adjective modifiers (like "the country is mostly pacifistic") that isn't identical to the adverb.

General Suggestions: Do we have some way to make a dictionary for easy reference?

To see if I understood noun-making correctly, would “gatamenet” (“large, old” plus “process” suffix) mean or be understood as “aging”?

(And you have a typo for “neuter.”)

onegoha

Is this is the studio conlang that died a while ago?

Also another suggestion: You could just have different word orders for tenses if you wish to have tenses.
e.g.
present SVO
past SOV
future VSO
etc.

Last edited by onegoha (July 1, 2022 07:36:21)

Canelo--

onegoha wrote:
Is this is the studio conlang that died a while ago?

Yep! One of several. Let's hope it goes better (betterly? less badly?) this time.

Also, Suggestion: Adjective/adverb suffixes which can be stacked, or at least some kind of comparative/superlative form/s for the adverbs.

Last edited by Canelo-- (July 1, 2022 11:23:11)

randomguyboi

Canelo-- wrote:
Grammar Suggestions: SVO word order normally, perhaps with another for questions. Adjectives go on whichever side of the noun (like in Esperanto), and we have some form for adjective modifiers (like "the country is mostly pacifistic") that isn't identical to the adverb.

General Suggestions: Do we have some way to make a dictionary for easy reference?

To see if I understood noun-making correctly, would “gatamenet” (“large, old” plus “process” suffix) mean or be understood as “aging”?

(And you have a typo for “neuter.”)

1. SVO is good, maybe OSV for questions? Or, ahem, SVO is good, maybe for questions OSV?
2. I've had the idea of adadjectives for a while, so I'll make those
3. Not yet, I'd love to see someone make one though
4. Gatamenet would either refer to aging or enlarging. Maybe to seperate things “gatamenet omninou” would mean strictly aging and “gatamenet omniov” would mean enlarging. I don't know.
5. I'll get the typos fixed.

Canelo--

(Edit: Wrote this last night; the translation is not exactly up-to-date.)

Going with On's word-order-tense suggestion and a few of my assumptions, here's a quick translation project:

Fejinmi anamof wesanda Kinamomon!

(I stole a translation of my pseudonym – very easy when it's just a noun! – from Ancient Greek, decided the Attic pronunciation would do nicely, and loaned it in via approximate phonetic spelling. Also on the table are “Cinamo,” a visual loan from Esperanto which I very much like the sound of; “Sinamo,” a loan from Esperanto to Toki Pona to – hypothetically – Conilingua; “Cinamomum,” from the Ecclesiastical pronunciation of the Latin translation; or whatever we decide “cinnamon” the noun (plant or color) is. I'm also going to coin a bunch of colors so that this post has a use besides my enthusiasm.)

Colors:

<EDIT: ignore this one! roxjoga or rutiloga, dark red or dark orange.> brun      - brown (proto-west-germanic)
kam       - black (egyptian, reconstructed middle or old pronunciation; commentary: it was hard to find a source for "black" that didn't [A] mean "burnt" or [B] sound a lot like a racial slur; if anyone has a better suggestion, /please./)
xitaz     - white (proto-germanic)
gris      - grey (proto-germanic)
roxjo     - red (onegoha)
rutilo    - orange (latin, modified, not from the verb "to redden")
ejeo      - yellow (onegoha)
gere      - green (onegoha)
lazula    - blue (onegoha)
violace   - violet/purple (latin, modified)
<EDIT: ignore this one! roxjoke/roxjoxi, light red/desaturated red.> ros       - pink (…I looked at the "translations of pink meaning the color" section on the English Wiktionary and saw a pattern.)

Color Affixes:

-(i)ke    - light (onegoha)
-(a)ga    - dark (onegoha)
-(a)xi    - desaturated (from xitaz, "white")

Last edited by Canelo-- (July 5, 2022 07:30:53)

Redstone1080

I was thinking maybe loanwords could be surrounded in quotes, and actual quotes would need a particle?
Ex.

Fejinmi anamof wesanda "Kinamomon"!

randomguyboi

Canelo-- wrote:
(Edit: Wrote this last night; the translation is not exactly up-to-date.)

Going with On's word-order-tense suggestion and a few of my assumptions, here's a quick translation project:

Fejinmi anamof wesanda Kinamomon!

(I stole a translation of my pseudonym – very easy when it's just a noun! – from Ancient Greek, decided the Attic pronunciation would do nicely, and loaned it in via approximate phonetic spelling. Also on the table are “Cinamo,” a visual loan from Esperanto which I very much like the sound of; “Sinamo,” a loan from Esperanto to Toki Pona to – hypothetically – Conilingua; “Cinamomum,” from the Ecclesiastical pronunciation of the Latin translation; or whatever we decide “cinnamon” the noun (plant or color) is. I'm also going to coin a bunch of colors so that this post has a use besides my enthusiasm.)

Colors:
brun      - brown (proto-west-germanic)
kam       - black (egyptian, reconstructed middle or old pronunciation; commentary: it was hard to find a source for "black" that didn't [A] mean "burnt" or [B] sound a lot like a racial slur; if anyone has a better suggestion, /please./)
xitaz     - white (proto-germanic)
gris      - grey (proto-germanic)
roxjo     - red (onegoha)
rutilo    - orange (latin, modified, not from the verb "to redden")
ejeo      - yellow (onegoha)
gere      - green (onegoha)
lazula    - blue (btw this one was mine, randomguyboi's, originally onehoga suggested grue)
violace   - violet/purple (latin, modified)
ros       - pink (…I looked at the "translations of pink meaning the color" section on the English Wiktionary and saw a pattern.)
Color Affixes:
-(i)ke    - light (onegoha)
-(a)ga    - dark (onegoha)
-(a)xi    - desaturated (from xitaz, "white")

Hmmm… It's a nearly complete overhaul, but I'll allow it. HOWEVER, I will not be including brown or pink, as those can be dark red/orange and light red, respectively. Everything else is good.

randomguyboi

Redstone1080 wrote:
I was thinking maybe loanwords could be surrounded in quotes, and actual quotes would need a particle?
Ex.
Fejinmi anamof wesanda "Kinamomon"!

1) EVERY word in Conilingua is a loanword. There is no one language of origin.
2) I feel like there should be a quote marker, however. Something like “(person) said:”
Also today I learned square brackets in the forums have a purpose. That purpose I don't know yet. I tried to do “person” between square brackets originally, that's the edit.

Last edited by randomguyboi (July 5, 2022 00:36:08)

onegoha

Canelo-- wrote:

Colors:

brun      - brown (proto-west-germanic)
kam       - black (egyptian, reconstructed middle or old pronunciation; commentary: it was hard to find a source for "black" that didn't [A] mean "burnt" or [B] sound a lot like a racial slur; if anyone has a better suggestion, /please./)
xitaz     - white (proto-germanic)
gris      - grey (proto-germanic)
roxjo     - red (onegoha)
rutilo    - orange (latin, modified, not from the verb "to redden")
ejeo      - yellow (onegoha)
gere      - green (onegoha)
lazula    - blue (onegoha)
violace   - violet/purple (latin, modified)
ros       - pink (…I looked at the "translations of pink meaning the color" section on the English Wiktionary and saw a pattern.)

Color Affixes:

-(i)ke    - light (onegoha)
-(a)ga    - dark (onegoha)
-(a)xi    - desaturated (from xitaz, "white")

Why is my name mentioned after several colours

onegoha

randomguyboi wrote:
Hmmm… It's a nearly complete overhaul, but I'll allow it. HOWEVER, I will not be including brown or pink, as those can be dark red/orange and light red, respectively. Everything else is good.

Hopefully not to annoy anyone ith this objection, brown is not actually dark red, it's a mixture of blue, yellow and red so I don't agree with having brown just as dark red or orange.

Canelo--

onegoha wrote:
Why is my name mentioned after several colours

Because you're the language of origin!

(The real reason is that they were listed under “Some Words” in your first post; I didn't know what languages they'd come from, so I just cited you.)

randomguyboi wrote:
Hmmm… It's a nearly complete overhaul, but I'll allow it. HOWEVER, I will not be including brown or pink, as those can be dark red/orange and light red, respectively. Everything else is good.

Thanks! What was the system supposed to be?

onegoha

From what I have observed this looks like a mix of Germanic, Romance languages as well as me (for some reason)? Like English (except English doesn't have me , I wish it did)?

Last edited by onegoha (July 5, 2022 10:34:43)

onegoha

Canelo-- wrote:
Because you're the language of origin!

… I still haven't found it in the last forum and also I don't think I'm a language :lol:

randomguyboi

onegoha wrote:
Hopefully not to annoy anyone ith this objection, brown is not actually dark red, it's a mixture of blue, yellow and red so I don't agree with having brown just as dark red or orange.

So would you rather have brown as roxjeolazula? seems quite a bit chunkier than rustiga (dark orange).

Canelo-- wrote:
What was the (color) system supposed to be?

It was originally just red, yellow, green, and blue. Technically, completely originally, it was red, yellow, and grue. We would probably have used “ketin” for white and “gata” for black. However, if we wanted to write “dark orange”, it would have been rox(jo)jeoga, which means the new system (with rustiga) is a lot better in terms of simplicity.

Personally, I kind of want a word for cyan and magenta, maybe <biruza> (from Russian, sadly, cuz it was the only one I could find that didn't mean blue-green or look exactly like cyan) and <naxovi> (from Czech)

Last edited by randomguyboi (July 5, 2022 12:06:28)

kkidslogin

randomguyboi wrote:
Redstone1080 wrote:
I was thinking maybe loanwords could be surrounded in quotes, and actual quotes would need a particle?
Ex.
Fejinmi anamof wesanda "Kinamomon"!
1) EVERY word in Conilingua is a loanword. There is no one language of origin.
2) I feel like there should be a quote marker, however. Something like “(person) said:”
Also today I learned square brackets in the forums have a purpose. That purpose I don't know yet. I tried to do “person” between square brackets originally, that's the edit.

Square brackets are used as BBCode, allowing things like colorful text.

onegoha

/aɪ ʃiː kaləɹʒ/

Last edited by onegoha (July 5, 2022 17:59:31)

onegoha

randomguyboi wrote:
onegoha wrote:
Hopefully not to annoy anyone ith this objection, brown is not actually dark red, it's a mixture of blue, yellow and red so I don't agree with having brown just as dark red or orange.
So would you rather have brown as roxjeolazula? seems quite a bit chunkier than rustiga (dark orange).

but isn't brown “brun”?

randomguyboi

onegoha wrote:
randomguyboi wrote:
onegoha wrote:
Hopefully not to annoy anyone ith this objection, brown is not actually dark red, it's a mixture of blue, yellow and red so I don't agree with having brown just as dark red or orange.
So would you rather have brown as roxjeolazula? seems quite a bit chunkier than rustiga (dark orange).
but isn't brown “brun”?

Yes, but I said that <brun> wouldn't be included.

I forgot to mention why. Brown isn't necessarily a common color in languages, AND it can easily be substituted for “dark red” or “dark orange”. Plus, even if we have no way to say “brown”, people are going to say “color of dirt” or “color of coffee” or “color of dead plants” and continue on without ever having needed a color word for it in the first place.

randomguyboi

Routine Conilingua Update 1: Sub-daily time
Each day (neynek) is divided into 36 dextis. These are about 40 minutes long, or about 2/3 of an hour. The dextises can technically be grouped into 9-dextis long sections, neytis, nuntis, nektis, and natsis, each centered around a certain time. For neytis, for example, it is centered around noon. The day starts when nektis and natsis meet, which happens to be around 3 in the morning. The dextis can also be divided into 36 tiids, and the tiid can be divided into 36 tuhoki. Brief recap:
neynek (full day, 24 hrs)
neytis, nuntis, nektis, natsis (quarter-day, 6 hrs)
dextis (hour-equivalent, 40 min)
tiid (about 67 seconds (66 and 2/3))
tuhoki (about 2 seconds (1 23/27))
Some suplementary words:

horolowzia - clock
shutsi - digital (relating to digits or concrete values)
neprekosnet - analog
cagxe - time (within a day)
deuver - a long time
tempo - time in general

Additional words I just felt like adding:

elafi - deer
keito - system
gxa - chicken 
aro - eagle
kaplewk - hawk
xuwoh - owl
minjao - small bird, especially songbird

Other news:
Finally ditching the l/r thing altogether. I may combine the two later on, but not now.
Made: July 7th
Next: maybe sometime idk

Last edited by randomguyboi (July 14, 2022 18:16:23)

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