Stop banning impersonators and give them a strike instead

lapisi

TopCode wrote:
(#40)
sharkode wrote:
Even if it is illegal it still doesn't mean they should be permanently banned
sorry, WHAT?

yes please explain are you saying you support crime?/hj

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sharkode

TopCode wrote:
sharkode wrote:
Even if it is illegal it still doesn't mean they should be permanently banned
sorry, WHAT?

People using copyrighted contents are also breaking the law, but they aren't permanently banned

It should depend on the severity of the crime

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TopCode

sharkode wrote:
TopCode wrote:
sharkode wrote:
Even if it is illegal it still doesn't mean they should be permanently banned
sorry, WHAT?
People using copyrighted contents are also breaking the law, but they aren't permanently banned

It should depend on the severity of the crime

usually fair use is at play, when its not the content is removed. the only way to remove impersonation is to remove the account

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sharkode

TopCode wrote:
the only way to remove impersonation is to remove the account

That's not true, the only thing that can't be changed on an account is the username, and it doesn't automatically make you an impersonator if your username is similar to someone else's

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Support - Means someone supports a suggestion, make sure to say the reason when you are supporting a suggestion.
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ToS - Is short for Terms of Use, a bunch of legal jargon and stuffs like that.
TOLoRS - Is short for The Official List of Rejected Suggestions, it's always a good idea to read it before making a suggestion.
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k0d3rrr

Yeah! This is a good idea, and the topic name has a sense of empowerment to it, too! YEAH!
#GetRidOfImpersonatorsPretendingToBeRealPeopleLikeGriffpatchAndOtherPeople
And… bump.

Last edited by k0d3rrr (April 6, 2022 07:30:51)

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3 forum tips for experienced forumers (in no particular order):

If you are reporting a new forumer's topic to be closed, or moved to another forum, don't mention it, because then, the topic creator will think they will receive either an alert or a ban.
New forumers won't immediately know the rules or terminology of the forums. I have seen this happen hundreds of times (exaggeratedly), especially when experienced forumers (I won't name any) tell new forumers that they are "necroposting", which is when someone posts on an old and resolved topic (especially in the Questions about Scratch forum), causing said topic to be moved to the front page of that forum.

Using Scratchblocks as a writing style is not blockspam, unless it is irrelevant to the discussion. For example, this

ExampleScratcher1 wrote:
How do I make a smooth gliding animation?
when green flag clicked
repeat until <(my question) = [answered]>
ask [How do I make a smooth gliding animation?] and wait
end
say [Thank you!]

is not blockspam, but these

ExampleScratcher2 (first post) wrote:

when green flag clicked
move (58) steps
play sound [Stock Laughter Sound Effect HD - 1 Hour v]
forever
play sound [Stock Screaming Sound Effect HD - 1 Hour v]
switch backdrop to [internet v]
say [i broke the internet] for (2) secs
turn cw (15) degrees
go to [nearby restaurant v]
next costume
end

ExampleScratcher2 (second post) wrote:

when green flag clicked
repeat until <(out of dorito's) = [true]>
broadcast [eat dorito chip v]
end
say [IM OUT OF DORITO'S!!!!!!!!! :(]
play sound [Scream2 v] until done
forever
turn cw (120) degrees
play sound [Scream2 v]
play sound [we have no dorito's sorry v]
end

are blockspam, and must be reported.

LightBoy77

I'm assuming you mean not banning people just because they have a similar username to a famous person? In that case then yeah, this would be a good idea.

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Gato_Amigo111

This makes sense, where as some impersonators are just joking.

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sharkode wrote:
I don't think impersonators should be banned without a warning, even if they are, the bans should be appealable

Some people say they shouldn't be given a second chance because their usernames are “impersonating usernames”, but I think it happens all the time, like if someone used the username @-sharkode-, does it mean they should be banned? I don't think so

Make them a way to keep some data but change the username onto a new account

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NanoRook

I've got a simpler suggestion: if you don't want your account to be banned, don't violate the TOS and impersonate another user.

Let me tell you a fun story from a few years ago. There was a person who created an account called griffpatch_edu. They took his icon, changed the background to red, and basically strung up their profile to look like it was an account he'd made. When questioned, the user behind the account said that they were the real griffpatch, just creating another account for educational purposes, or whatever the justification was. They said that the actual griffpatch account hadn't announced it yet because it was still being set up. For all intents and purposes, they were absolutely trying to pretend to be griffpatch.

Even with skeptics in the comments, the user had amassed a decent following before the account was reported and promptly trashed for trying to impersonate the real griffpatch.

Now, I want to ask; what is the value of keeping this user around? Let's say instead of getting deleted, they just got a warning. I doubt it'd stop them, and this griffpatch_edu person would be free to keep pretending to be someone they're not, putting words in griff's mouth and lord knows what else, considering the account could very well be used to attach things to his name that he would not want attached to his name. With what you're suggesting, libel would totally be possible and allowed to happen.

Having an exact replica of someone else's name is something you have to intentionally try to do during the account creation process. I doubt accidental impersonation happens, and if it does, it has to be ridiculously rare. I have been here for almost a decade and have never seen it happen.

Last edited by NanoRook (April 6, 2022 17:08:28)

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k0d3rrr

Bump, still a good suggestion.

k0d3rrr

3 forum tips for experienced forumers (in no particular order):

If you are reporting a new forumer's topic to be closed, or moved to another forum, don't mention it, because then, the topic creator will think they will receive either an alert or a ban.
New forumers won't immediately know the rules or terminology of the forums. I have seen this happen hundreds of times (exaggeratedly), especially when experienced forumers (I won't name any) tell new forumers that they are "necroposting", which is when someone posts on an old and resolved topic (especially in the Questions about Scratch forum), causing said topic to be moved to the front page of that forum.

Using Scratchblocks as a writing style is not blockspam, unless it is irrelevant to the discussion. For example, this

ExampleScratcher1 wrote:
How do I make a smooth gliding animation?
when green flag clicked
repeat until <(my question) = [answered]>
ask [How do I make a smooth gliding animation?] and wait
end
say [Thank you!]

is not blockspam, but these

ExampleScratcher2 (first post) wrote:

when green flag clicked
move (58) steps
play sound [Stock Laughter Sound Effect HD - 1 Hour v]
forever
play sound [Stock Screaming Sound Effect HD - 1 Hour v]
switch backdrop to [internet v]
say [i broke the internet] for (2) secs
turn cw (15) degrees
go to [nearby restaurant v]
next costume
end

ExampleScratcher2 (second post) wrote:

when green flag clicked
repeat until <(out of dorito's) = [true]>
broadcast [eat dorito chip v]
end
say [IM OUT OF DORITO'S!!!!!!!!! :(]
play sound [Scream2 v] until done
forever
turn cw (120) degrees
play sound [Scream2 v]
play sound [we have no dorito's sorry v]
end

are blockspam, and must be reported.

UniversalStar123

sharkode wrote:
TopCode wrote:
the only way to remove impersonation is to remove the account
That's not true, the only thing that can't be changed on an account is the username, and it doesn't automatically make you an impersonator if your username is similar to someone else's

I agree with that, if the username is same but the PFP, About me, What I'm Working On, or even projects are different then that's not called Impersonating

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-iviedwall-

sharkode wrote:
Jbear_ wrote:
I looked it up and this is what it said : The law made it a crime to steal someone's name, voice, photo or other information to create a false identity on social media. so…. No support

Edit: i know scratch is not socail media but close enough
Problems with your post:
Please spell properly
Scratch is a social media
They aren't stealing any name, voice, photo or other stuffs like that
Even if it is illegal it still doesn't mean they should be permanently banned

No child for any reason should be using social media prior to age 13. Scratch is welcome for all ages (yes, even the 3-year-olds) so it;'s definitely not social media.

k0d3rrr

-iviedwall- wrote:
sharkode wrote:
Jbear_ wrote:
I looked it up and this is what it said : The law made it a crime to steal someone's name, voice, photo or other information to create a false identity on social media. so…. No support

Edit: i know scratch is not socail media but close enough
Problems with your post:
Please spell properly
Scratch is a social media
They aren't stealing any name, voice, photo or other stuffs like that
Even if it is illegal it still doesn't mean they should be permanently banned
No child for any reason should be using social media prior to age 13. Scratch is welcome for all ages (yes, even the 3-year-olds) so it;'s definitely not social media.

I might have read this wrong, but here's why Scratch is (more or less) social media:

Followers - You can follow people, and they, in turn, can follow you. (*cough cough* F4F is a controversial example.)

Loves and favourites - You can love/favourite peoples' projects.

Commenting - You can comment on peoples' projects, profiles, studios. Oh yeah…

Studios - Places for collaboration and teamwork (also technically social media, see above)

Forums - Mostly where the ‘social media’ part of Scratch comes from.

k0d3rrr

3 forum tips for experienced forumers (in no particular order):

If you are reporting a new forumer's topic to be closed, or moved to another forum, don't mention it, because then, the topic creator will think they will receive either an alert or a ban.
New forumers won't immediately know the rules or terminology of the forums. I have seen this happen hundreds of times (exaggeratedly), especially when experienced forumers (I won't name any) tell new forumers that they are "necroposting", which is when someone posts on an old and resolved topic (especially in the Questions about Scratch forum), causing said topic to be moved to the front page of that forum.

Using Scratchblocks as a writing style is not blockspam, unless it is irrelevant to the discussion. For example, this

ExampleScratcher1 wrote:
How do I make a smooth gliding animation?
when green flag clicked
repeat until <(my question) = [answered]>
ask [How do I make a smooth gliding animation?] and wait
end
say [Thank you!]

is not blockspam, but these

ExampleScratcher2 (first post) wrote:

when green flag clicked
move (58) steps
play sound [Stock Laughter Sound Effect HD - 1 Hour v]
forever
play sound [Stock Screaming Sound Effect HD - 1 Hour v]
switch backdrop to [internet v]
say [i broke the internet] for (2) secs
turn cw (15) degrees
go to [nearby restaurant v]
next costume
end

ExampleScratcher2 (second post) wrote:

when green flag clicked
repeat until <(out of dorito's) = [true]>
broadcast [eat dorito chip v]
end
say [IM OUT OF DORITO'S!!!!!!!!! :(]
play sound [Scream2 v] until done
forever
turn cw (120) degrees
play sound [Scream2 v]
play sound [we have no dorito's sorry v]
end

are blockspam, and must be reported.

DinoMaster20

sharkode wrote:
(#44)
TopCode wrote:
the only way to remove impersonation is to remove the account
That's not true, the only thing that can't be changed on an account is the username, and it doesn't automatically make you an impersonator if your username is similar to someone else's

You probably won't be reported, and if you are you won't be banned, for having a similar username.

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NanoRook

You guys are suggesting complex solutions to a problem that is already solved by deleting impersonator accounts.

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sharkode

DinoMaster20 wrote:
(#54)
sharkode wrote:
(#44)
TopCode wrote:
the only way to remove impersonation is to remove the account
That's not true, the only thing that can't be changed on an account is the username, and it doesn't automatically make you an impersonator if your username is similar to someone else's
You probably won't be reported, and if you are you won't be banned, for having a similar username.

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

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Necroposting - Means bringing an old, dead, topic that nobody cares about back to life, necroposting comes from the greek word “nekros” meaning “corpse”, necroposting is prohibited as it wastes front page space.
Ocular - A website that allows you to search forum posts.
Dupe/duplicate - Posts that suggests the same thing, it's a good idea to use Ocular.
ST - Is short for Scratch Team, the moderators on this site.
ToS - Is short for Terms of Use, a bunch of legal jargon and stuffs like that.
TOLoRS - Is short for The Official List of Rejected Suggestions, it's always a good idea to read it before making a suggestion.
Kaj - A user who threatened to hack Scratch, he later became a legend and people often joked about him hacking posts.

UniversalStar123

Even my username is similar (nearly) to a scratcher @universtar something something, but everything else is different

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