Staricornia wrote:

Adding to the theory that Sans and Papyrus are fragments of Gaster:
One of his followers says they are holding “a piece of him”.
We also learn from a Gaster follower that he exploded into several fragments, somehow, someway.
So we know that fragments of Gaster really do exist. Why say no to the skelebros being one of these “fragments”?

Or A bit of them. It is possible that they each got a single colored “Bad Time” mode, but papyrus gave his to sans because of paps believing everyone gets a second chance and it might help with the whole “Lazybones” thing. Paps was unaware that sans already had the cyan. This explains the power behind sans and why his eye flashes between the two colors: patience and justice. Why those colors? The colors show his traits at the moment. He had the patience of waiting for you to get to the last corridor, and now he is showing justice to the underground.

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Mr_PenguinAlex wrote:

Okay so in Deltarune, i'm pretty sure it takes place before the humans and monsters war?

and sans is creepy and doesn't age and that's how he becomes the younger brother of Papyrus in undertale

Since sans doesn't age, that means sans had to have been created fairly recently. by gaster?

Sorry if I burst your bubble, but Fox himself said DelRu is parallel- connected, but not at the same time.
Personally I don't believe in the whole ‘Dadster’ idea, but I do believe Gaster and the brothers are connected in SOME way.

I agree with you on the dadster stuff, but i think that sans DID get the bad time mode and gaster blasters from the man who speaks in hands himself. So, gaster goes WHHEEEEEeeeeee into the core and he break through time and space. Trying to draw his pieces back to him, they instead went over to two certain skeletons, one who likes spaghetti, and one always grinning. They realized their newfound power and Paps didn't like it. He gave this new power to Ne- I mean potat- Sorry, SANS. This explains how his eye flashes TWO colors, not one. This also explains his dodging and gaster blasters. Pretty much why potato is god potato.

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GraduateScratchy wrote:

Mr_PenguinAlex wrote:

Okay so in Deltarune, i'm pretty sure it takes place before the humans and monsters war?

and sans is creepy and doesn't age and that's how he becomes the younger brother of Papyrus in undertale

Since sans doesn't age, that means sans had to have been created fairly recently. by gaster?

Sorry if I burst your bubble, but Fox himself said DelRu is parallel- connected, but not at the same time.
Personally I don't believe in the whole ‘Dadster’ idea, but I do believe Gaster and the brothers are connected in SOME way.

I agree with you on the dadster stuff, but i think that sans DID get the bad time mode and gaster blasters from the man who speaks in hands himself. So, gaster goes WHHEEEEEeeeeee into the core and he break through time and space. Trying to draw his pieces back to him, they instead went over to two certain skeletons, one who likes spaghetti, and one always grinning. They realized their newfound power and Paps didn't like it. He gave this new power to Ne- I mean potat- Sorry, SANS. This explains how his eye flashes TWO colors, not one. This also explains his dodging and gaster blasters. Pretty much why potato is god potato.

what about the sans is ness theory

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evee209 wrote:

GraduateScratchy wrote:

Mr_PenguinAlex wrote:

Okay so in Deltarune, i'm pretty sure it takes place before the humans and monsters war?

and sans is creepy and doesn't age and that's how he becomes the younger brother of Papyrus in undertale

Since sans doesn't age, that means sans had to have been created fairly recently. by gaster?

Sorry if I burst your bubble, but Fox himself said DelRu is parallel- connected, but not at the same time.
Personally I don't believe in the whole ‘Dadster’ idea, but I do believe Gaster and the brothers are connected in SOME way.

I agree with you on the dadster stuff, but i think that sans DID get the bad time mode and gaster blasters from the man who speaks in hands himself. So, gaster goes WHHEEEEEeeeeee into the core and he break through time and space. Trying to draw his pieces back to him, they instead went over to two certain skeletons, one who likes spaghetti, and one always grinning. They realized their newfound power and Paps didn't like it. He gave this new power to Ne- I mean potat- Sorry, SANS. This explains how his eye flashes TWO colors, not one. This also explains his dodging and gaster blasters. Pretty much why potato is god potato.

what about the sans is ness theory

no
one big hole in the theory
SANS DOESNT BLEED SO HAHA
ITS KETCHUP

So there is this theory where Sans is actually Ness (from Earthbound, the Mother series). Here is the theory, it's on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYdDUXyFocY

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609135 wrote:

evee209 wrote:

GraduateScratchy wrote:

Mr_PenguinAlex wrote:

Okay so in Deltarune, i'm pretty sure it takes place before the humans and monsters war?

and sans is creepy and doesn't age and that's how he becomes the younger brother of Papyrus in undertale

Since sans doesn't age, that means sans had to have been created fairly recently. by gaster?

Sorry if I burst your bubble, but Fox himself said DelRu is parallel- connected, but not at the same time.
Personally I don't believe in the whole ‘Dadster’ idea, but I do believe Gaster and the brothers are connected in SOME way.

I agree with you on the dadster stuff, but i think that sans DID get the bad time mode and gaster blasters from the man who speaks in hands himself. So, gaster goes WHHEEEEEeeeeee into the core and he break through time and space. Trying to draw his pieces back to him, they instead went over to two certain skeletons, one who likes spaghetti, and one always grinning. They realized their newfound power and Paps didn't like it. He gave this new power to Ne- I mean potat- Sorry, SANS. This explains how his eye flashes TWO colors, not one. This also explains his dodging and gaster blasters. Pretty much why potato is god potato.

what about the sans is ness theory

no
one big hole in the theory
SANS DOESNT BLEED SO HAHA
ITS KETCHUP

wait, so does that mean sans didn't die?

gaster is every gaster follower put together. scatered across timeLINES and space.

SANS

awesomekid0224 wrote:

W.D. Gaster is a mystery, but there's a theory going around that he's Sans and Papyrus' creator or father.
I believe that theory.
1. In the “Entry Number Seventeen” room, Gaster writes, “WHAT DO YOU THINK, YOU TWO?”
“You two.”
Sans and Papyrus.
2. In Sans' room, there's a picture of “three poorly drawn people with the words ‘never forget.’ on it.”
Three people.
Sans, Papyrus, and the man who's mystery we're trying to solve..

W.D. Gaster.

haven't read very far and sorry if someone else pointed this out but from the fact that it only shows up after clam goner, and that it was added a few weeks
before deltarune, i think the 3 people are supposed to be kris suzie and ralsei (someone else has prolly pointed it out tho)

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MSPA wrote:

How do we know that Gaster is the man with cracks in his head? His file name is MysteryMan.

Edit: That's a theory of it's own.

IKR? Theres absolutely no reason to think that mysteryman is gaster, and its way more likely to be the unused REDACTED guy

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HotCocoaFever wrote:

Candythemew wrote:

So we're talking about W.D.Gaster theories here eh? Sounds fantastic! He's a very mysterious character, and in my opinion deserves a bit more attention. And this forumms a good place to open discussion! Anyways, on to actually theorizing.

It's pretty much accepted in the fanbase that gaster used to be a skeleton due to his name being derived from the Fonts, “WingDings” and “Aster”. Making His Full name Wingdings, Aster. Maybe he chose Gaster as a nickname of sorts because of this? That wasn't really much of a theory but I thought it was a fun little thought. :3

i just want to say if you pay attention to the official gaster tarot card,in the corners you see a BONE that sans and paps use,a gaster blaster and lastly 2 hands,also the gaster card has him opening a door thats cracking and he is in the core..but something VERY intresting is that well,..the door is infront of the DT EXTRACTION MACHINE!its hard to notice buts its there!

What tarot card? I haven't seen one of W.D.
(also, if his name is W.D. Gaster, then Gaster is probably his last name, so IF he created the skelebros (not confirmed), then their last names are Gaster.)
EDIT: Wait, I saw it, that basically confirms that mysteryman is W.D. Gaster.

The tarat card is unused, MOST LIKELY because toby didn't intend for mysteryman to be gaster and even then it was made after the community generally decided that mysteryman is gaster, and the artist used that general agreement to make it.

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Staricornia wrote:

Adding to the theory that Sans and Papyrus are fragments of Gaster:
One of his followers says they are holding “a piece of him”.
We also learn from a Gaster follower that he exploded into several fragments, somehow, someway.
So we know that fragments of Gaster really do exist. Why say no to the skelbros being one of these “fragments”?

I might make a project or even a studio on trying to figure out all of the fragments… seems like that idea could get pretty far.
EDIT: yeah no im too lazy to do that

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HabLab wrote:

My Theory: The Determination Extractor was originally created as an extension to the CORE that extracts magic from the attacks of monsters.

It is implied in Entry Number 5 that Alphys was not the original creator of the Determination Extractor, instead using what she calls “the blueprints”. However, she is the first person to discover determination, as she names it in the same entry, instead of referring to it under an already existing name. Also, there are two authors for the Determination Experiment Lab Entries - Sans and Alphys. Half of the entries are written in proper English, but the other half is written entirely in lowercase. Perhaps somebody was too lazy to hold the SHIFT key. This next point is brought up a lot, but compare the Amalgamates with spr_mysteryman_0 (the guy everybody associates with Gaster). Note how the Mystery Man has holes in his hands and two cracks in his skull. People say that it's because he injected himself with determination, but what if I told you…

It was the exact opposite?

Rewind. To before the Determination Experiments. Before the first human fell. Back to the creation of the CORE. The CORE, as you may remember, takes the geothermal energy produced by the Hotlands and converts it to magical electricity. However, Gaster was not satisfied. He began drawing blueprints for a newer, even more efficient way to produce power - by using the magic of monsters. Monsters are nearly entirely magic, so an attack produced by a monster would still have a high concentration. The Determination Extractor was originally built to drain magic from magical attacks. In fact, it was almost custom-designed for Gaster - note the similarity between Gaster Blasters and the Determination Extractor. Also note that the CORE was created before the discovery of determination - the first child had not fallen yet. Now let's tie it all together…

TRUE LAB
?? YEARS BEFORE THE FIRST HUMAN

Sans and Alphys prepare the equipment. They are both wearing badges, stating “ROYAL SCIENTIST ASSISTANT” in minute letters. They are standing before what they call the Magic Extractor, but what we call the Determination Extractor. You're going to find out why in a moment. Standing closest to the machine is W. D. Gaster, minus both of the cracks on his face. He summons a Gaster Blaster and the MG Extractor opens up, swallowing the Gaster Blaster whole. Sans pulls a lever and the eye-shaped windows of the Extractor light up. The trio faintly begin to smile.
Sans looks down at a monitor. 74% CAPACITY, it reads, along with some multicoloured line graphs that all tell him everything is going according to plan. Then…

STAY TUNED FOR PART II

I think the injectors were the gaster blasters before the accident. Gaster stayed in the extractor for too long, taking away his soul, mind, and most of his magic into the injectors, leaving an empty husk of a body-the mystery man. He used to be gaster, but is not anymore. They are not called gaster blasters because gaster made them… but because gaster IS them. He uses the magic left in them to attack by blasting.

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Honestly about gaster is mysteryman i think toby didnt intend for it at first but so many people believe it i dont think he could say its anyone else at this point.
Also the three people could be the three gaster followers but its more likely the **** squad

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I have a very explanatory answer for W.D. Gaster's entire story.

First things first, Gaster is the Mysteryman and not REDACTED. I think REDACTED may be an amalgamate. Gaster is Sans and Papyrus's BROTHER not father in my theory. Toby Fox said himself that if Sans and Papyrus had another relative, a sibling was more likely than a parent. They arrived in Snowdin and Gaster's scientific influence got him to be the Royal Scientist. With his brothers and a geeky lizard monster, Alphys, Gaster began his experiments. They built the DT Extractor, and extracted Determination from the SOULS. Remember in the Genocide route, where Sans says, “Our reports showed a massive anomaly in the time-space continuum. Timelines jumping left and right, stopping and starting…Until suddenly, everything ends.” I think that was Flowey after he came to life, and the “us” was the Royal Research Team. Fast forward to when the bodies of the monsters arrive. The Royal Research team injects them with Determination, and they come alive. Then, the families of the soon-to-be Amalgamates come to the True Lab, and everything looks rad. SUDDENLY! alarms are blaring! The levels on the DT Extractor are unstable, so the Skelebros (including Gaster) run to fix it. Meanwhile, Alphys goes to check on the future Amalgamates, who have just lost the “future” prefix. The DT Extractor is still going haywire, as Sans and Papyrus attempt to regulate the machine. The DT Extractor is actually extracting the fabric of space-time, emphasis on the time part. A vortex is opening, and it is leading to… the Dark World. Gaster stands in front of the vortex, marveling at the absolute darkness in front of him (Entry 17). He turns, asking his brother's opinion, but they have backed away, as the floor beneath Gaster crumbles. He falls, and lands on the prongs of the DT Extractor, and… he shatters. Little sad skull pieces litter the ground as the Royal Research Team looks on horror. The family members of the Amalgamates picked up some of Gaster's shards, the Skelebros and Alphys yell NO, and they vanish. The family members become the Gaster Followers. As the Royal Research Team is dumbfounded, Gaster is hurtling through a spacial vortex. He splits into many fragments, some large enough to manifest as new entities: Mysteryman Gaster and Mike/the Man.

Sooo yeah this theory explains a lot.

sans is the older brother.

I'd like to revise my story slightly. The Gaster Followers didn't appear until AFTER gaster had been trapped in the void between worlds. He used fragments of himself to power the beings he called Goners, intending them to serve as his window back into the world, to see his brothers again. He had high high hopes when a powerful entity engaged his SURVEY PROGRAM. But just as he was about to grab the new Goner, ANOTHER being that isn't supposed to exist discarded the Goner, one very spiteful of humans… Chara. So Gaster will need to find a new way to get vessels. Oh he's tried, by giving little sherds of himself (Shadow Crystals) to a court jester and EV3RYBUDDY'S FAVORITE Number #1 Rated Salesman! but it hasn't worked. Until… he created his newest vessel: Mike. Mike is a humanoid man, and he's been trying to help all his old friends. He's giving an egg to his poor old pal Asgore, trying to call his brothers through the Idiot Baby Hotline, and all kinds of stuff. He's even the one singing to us at the end of the chapters because the player has just been forcibly torn from the host that Chara forced them into. But Chara knows that you'll just do Genocide all over again, so she's trying to punish you and keep you from doing any more harm by using a rebellious vessel. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

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I'd like to revise my story slightly. The Gaster Followers didn't appear until AFTER gaster had been trapped in the void between worlds. He used fragments of himself to power the beings he called Goners, intending them to serve as his window back into the world, to see his brothers again. He had high high hopes when a powerful entity engaged his SURVEY PROGRAM. But just as he was about to grab the new Goner, ANOTHER being that isn't supposed to exist discarded the Goner, one very spiteful of humans… Chara. So Gaster will need to find a new way to get vessels. Oh he's tried, by giving little sherds of himself (Shadow Crystals) to a court jester and EV3RYBUDDY'S FAVORITE Number #1 Rated Salesman! but it hasn't worked. Until… he created his newest vessel: Mike. Mike is a humanoid man, and he's been trying to help all his old friends. He's giving an egg to his poor old pal Asgore, trying to call his brothers through the Idiot Baby Hotline, and all kinds of stuff. He's even the one singing to us at the end of the chapters because the player has just been forcibly torn from the host that Chara forced them into. But Chara knows that you'll just do Genocide all over again, so she's trying to punish you and keep you from doing any more harm by using a rebellious vessel. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

I think that undertale is actually canonicly a game that asriel made. Deltarune says he designed a game with a final boss that has big rainbow wings, and while most people see that as a meta joke, i think it might be canon. It would still make sense as why theres characters that stay between the two, and considering hes a teenager, of course he would ship irl people in his game…. wait this is just fnaf dream theory but deltarune… (im into fnaf now so im not gonna talk much on this forum)

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jkmulle1 wrote:

I'd like to revise my story slightly. The Gaster Followers didn't appear until AFTER gaster had been trapped in the void between worlds. He used fragments of himself to power the beings he called Goners, intending them to serve as his window back into the world, to see his brothers again. He had high high hopes when a powerful entity engaged his SURVEY PROGRAM. But just as he was about to grab the new Goner, ANOTHER being that isn't supposed to exist discarded the Goner, one very spiteful of humans… Chara. So Gaster will need to find a new way to get vessels. Oh he's tried, by giving little sherds of himself (Shadow Crystals) to a court jester and EV3RYBUDDY'S FAVORITE Number #1 Rated Salesman! but it hasn't worked. Until… he created his newest vessel: Mike. Mike is a humanoid man, and he's been trying to help all his old friends. He's giving an egg to his poor old pal Asgore, trying to call his brothers through the Idiot Baby Hotline, and all kinds of stuff. He's even the one singing to us at the end of the chapters because the player has just been forcibly torn from the host that Chara forced them into. But Chara knows that you'll just do Genocide all over again, so she's trying to punish you and keep you from doing any more harm by using a rebellious vessel. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

I think that undertale is actually canonicly a game that asriel made. Deltarune says he designed a game with a final boss that has big rainbow wings, and while most people see that as a meta joke, i think it might be canon. It would still make sense as why theres characters that stay between the two, and considering hes a teenager, of course he would ship irl people in his game…. wait this is just fnaf dream theory but deltarune… (im into fnaf now so im not gonna talk much on this forum)

But it says the game never saw the light of day. So maybe the form Asriel takes in Undertale is a pervasive dream of his.