Add a decoy dislike button [Moderator note: NOW rejected]

BearSlothCoding

BosenChang wrote:
see the official list of rejected suggestions
4.2 Dislike button or a project rating system
This idea has a major drawback. Generally, a user's first project is something rather simple, such as a test project, a remix, or a project made using a tutorial. Because this project is simple, other users may give the project low ratings since it is not advanced. With low enough ratings, the creator might be discouraged enough to stop using Scratch, even though the creator is just trying to learn.
There you go.

Did you not read ANY of the posts before this. We've already established that this takes away the part that made it rejected.

Nambaseking01

BearSlothCoding wrote:
It prevents you leaving an angry hate comment, because you got your anger out already.

On who?

Nobody *received* your anger, so you're basically just clicking a button at that point.

BosenChang

BearSlothCoding wrote:
BosenChang wrote:
see the official list of rejected suggestions
4.2 Dislike button or a project rating system
This idea has a major drawback. Generally, a user's first project is something rather simple, such as a test project, a remix, or a project made using a tutorial. Because this project is simple, other users may give the project low ratings since it is not advanced. With low enough ratings, the creator might be discouraged enough to stop using Scratch, even though the creator is just trying to learn.
There you go.
Did you not read ANY of the posts before this. We've already established that this takes away the part that made it rejected.

and stop being so rude!

BosenChang

oh, and I already read some!

BearSlothCoding

BosenChang wrote:
BearSlothCoding wrote:
BosenChang wrote:
see the official list of rejected suggestions
4.2 Dislike button or a project rating system
This idea has a major drawback. Generally, a user's first project is something rather simple, such as a test project, a remix, or a project made using a tutorial. Because this project is simple, other users may give the project low ratings since it is not advanced. With low enough ratings, the creator might be discouraged enough to stop using Scratch, even though the creator is just trying to learn.
There you go.
Did you not read ANY of the posts before this. We've already established that this takes away the part that made it rejected.
and stop being so rude!

How is that rude? If you had read them, you would know that several people had pointed that out already.

DarthVader4Life

BosenChang wrote:
BearSlothCoding wrote:
BosenChang wrote:
see the official list of rejected suggestions
4.2 Dislike button or a project rating system
This idea has a major drawback. Generally, a user's first project is something rather simple, such as a test project, a remix, or a project made using a tutorial. Because this project is simple, other users may give the project low ratings since it is not advanced. With low enough ratings, the creator might be discouraged enough to stop using Scratch, even though the creator is just trying to learn.
There you go.
Did you not read ANY of the posts before this. We've already established that this takes away the part that made it rejected.
and stop being so rude!

1. please read all, before posting.
2. Whether or not this is rejected is controversial enough to remain not rejected.
3. please determine if something was uncalled for before quoting.

Nambaseking01

BosenChang wrote:
and stop being so rude!

Emphasizing words with BBCode is not being rude - they're just trying to explain it to you more clearly (and sometimes you have to really understand why people sound harsh, BearSlothCoding informed about five or six people in one row that this isn't rejected and they're probably just getting a little tired of it).

Za-Chary

I think the dislike button being merely a placebo and not actually having any effect would be the only way that a dislike button could possibly work. In particular, I don't think it would be a good idea to keep track of some like-dislike ratio — that could easily be spammed.

I do, however, fear that this would just lead to comments like “I disliked your project” — but I suppose those comments could already be reported for being unconstructive.

Harakou

Folks, please be sure to read someone's idea and not just the title before commenting. There's some precedent for having what are essentially fake dislikes/report categories to act as a “lightning rod” for people's discontent. The idea is that it creates an easy way to filter out noise, by giving them something that feels good but doesn't actually have an impact.

Now, I'm not sure if we'd actually implement that on Scratch - for one, we're not sure we want to give the impression that you can “thumbs down” something on Scratch at all. It's not exactly the culture we want to encourage. I could also see a lot of drama about people thinking that their projects are being impacted by dislikes, even if that's completely impossible.

Nambaseking01

Za-Chary wrote:
I think the dislike button being merely a placebo and not actually having any effect would be the only way that a dislike button could possibly work. In particular, I don't think it would be a good idea to keep track of some like-dislike ratio — that could easily be spammed.

I do, however, fear that this would just lead to comments like “I disliked your project” — but I suppose those comments could already be reported for being unconstructive.

My problem, however, is that venting your anger out on a button doesn't do anything. You just click a button labelled “Dislike” - you could be clicking any other button and it would be the same.

two scratch team members post in a row, got to be first time in the history of scratch

BearSlothCoding

Nambaseking01 wrote:
Za-Chary wrote:
I think the dislike button being merely a placebo and not actually having any effect would be the only way that a dislike button could possibly work. In particular, I don't think it would be a good idea to keep track of some like-dislike ratio — that could easily be spammed.

I do, however, fear that this would just lead to comments like “I disliked your project” — but I suppose those comments could already be reported for being unconstructive.

My problem, however, is that venting your anger out on a button doesn't do anything. You just click a button labelled “Dislike” - you could be clicking any other button and it would be the same.

two scratch team members post in a row, got to be first time in the history of scratch

Go look up YouTube videos of something you hate and watch one. After watching it, hit “dislike” and tell me that wasn't the slightest bit satisfying.

Nambaseking01

BearSlothCoding wrote:
Go look up YouTube videos of something you hate and watch one. After watching it, hit “dislike” and tell me that wasn't the slightest bit satisfying.

Oh, gods.

You're right.

Why do people always have to correct me in such embarrassing ways?

—

Seriously though, it doesn't matter how angry you are - I'd like to quote this part of Harakou's post that I wholeheartedly agree with.

Harakou wrote:
Now, I'm not sure if we'd actually implement that on Scratch - for one, we're not sure we want to give the impression that you can “thumbs down” something on Scratch at all. It's not exactly the culture we want to encourage. I could also see a lot of drama about people thinking that their projects are being impacted by dislikes, even if that's completely impossible.

DarthVader4Life

BearSlothCoding wrote:
Nambaseking01 wrote:
Za-Chary wrote:
I think the dislike button being merely a placebo and not actually having any effect would be the only way that a dislike button could possibly work. In particular, I don't think it would be a good idea to keep track of some like-dislike ratio — that could easily be spammed.

I do, however, fear that this would just lead to comments like “I disliked your project” — but I suppose those comments could already be reported for being unconstructive.

My problem, however, is that venting your anger out on a button doesn't do anything. You just click a button labelled “Dislike” - you could be clicking any other button and it would be the same.

two scratch team members post in a row, got to be first time in the history of scratch
Go look up YouTube videos of something you hate and watch one. After watching it, hit “dislike” and tell me that wasn't the slightest bit satisfying.

The goal of scratch to learn, not to satisfy!
If this would be implemented, I see one very small pro, and a bunch of cons.
We don't want to encourage discouragement!

BearSlothCoding

DarthVader4Life wrote:
The goal of scratch to learn, not to satisfy!

It can't do both? While I agree there are quite a bit of cons, this isn't one of them.

Harakou

Nambaseking01 wrote:
Za-Chary wrote:
I think the dislike button being merely a placebo and not actually having any effect would be the only way that a dislike button could possibly work. In particular, I don't think it would be a good idea to keep track of some like-dislike ratio — that could easily be spammed.

I do, however, fear that this would just lead to comments like “I disliked your project” — but I suppose those comments could already be reported for being unconstructive.

My problem, however, is that venting your anger out on a button doesn't do anything. You just click a button labelled “Dislike” - you could be clicking any other button and it would be the same.

Well, the point is that the user pressing it may not even realize it doesn't do anything. It doesn't have to be everyone or even a majority of people, but you could potentially filter out a lot of vacuous “I don't like this” comments with it.

Nambaseking01

BearSlothCoding wrote:
It can't do both? While I agree there are quite a bit of cons, this isn't one of them.

The goal of Scratch is also not giving the impression that discouraging people is perfectly fine. Let me quote my second post on this topic.

Nambaseking01 wrote:
Nambaseking01 wrote:
A dislike button would give the impression that harsh criticism is encouraged on Scratch - this would probably increase the amount of angry comments by people who didn't read the Community Guidelines and do guesswork.

As an add-on to this, venting out your anger via a dislike button (even if the amount is hidden) is unconstructive - politely explaining why the project is really *that* bad would probably be a lot better move. This basically encourages straight-up harsh comments AND being unconstructive. I'd like to quote this part from the Community Guidelines:

Be constructive.
When commenting on others' projects, say something you like about it and offer suggestions.

Say something you like about it and offer suggestions, which is clearly indirectly discouraging straight-up harshness. And even though no one can see the amount of dislikes, integrity matters; you can't go around disliking a project just because you lost in it after being on a high level or something. Basically, if you dislike a project, just don't love / favorite it and politely give suggestions to improve. It's a lot more constructive the current way and this way kids don't get encouraged to start bullying people or roasting the creator of the project.

DarthVader4Life

BearSlothCoding wrote:
DarthVader4Life wrote:
The goal of scratch to learn, not to satisfy!
It can't do both? While I agree there are quite a bit of cons, this isn't one of them.

I'ma make a list uh pros and cons.
PROS
+Some users will be satisfied.
+It won't affect the project.
CONS
-New types of hate comments
-Drama
-Discouragement
-Trolls have a new toy
-Another reason for people to overreact
-Possibly MORE hate comments
-Possibly more false reports.
-Haters have another thing to attempt to emotionally harm a scratcher.

mlcreater

If I had just joined Scratch and I saw that there is a dislike button on every project, I would never share anything.

ioton

A dislike button…… I don't know why they should make this button.
What happens now?
Mass reporting can be, eventually, fixed.
But mass dis-likes?

Col_Cat228

DarthVader4Life wrote:
-Trolls have a new toy

That phrase made me laugh for 30 minutes XD

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