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Sheep_maker
Scratcher
1000+ posts

"CloneAlert" idea

wWSunPandaWw wrote:

Paddle2See wrote:

mrbumppo wrote:

No support, please read the stickies before posting.
Remixes are to change something, even if it's minor. But I do think there should be a way to prevent VDRU(view, download, reupload).
If I understand the original post correctly, the suggested system would only allow a remix if a valid change was detected - what makes a change “valid” could be a subject of debate.
But didn't you guys (The ST) already confirm that remixes are fine as long as one thing (even if it's minor) is changed, added, or removed?
Yes; this suggestion helps bring about that message by hiding/disabling the remix button until even a minor change is made.
apple502j
Scratcher
1000+ posts

"CloneAlert" idea

No Support
Remixing with no changes on the program/sound/costumes is sometimes useful - To copy projects to 2nd/test account or only to translate Notes.

Also, it might block useful and good changes.

Adding blocks is always useful. For example,
wait (0) secs
is used to wait for 1 frame (1/30 secs).

How about a contest or a collaboration? If it's art contest, they would add only a costume (unused!)

If (false) is used to comment-out a script in many programming languages.

Last edited by apple502j (April 21, 2018 08:15:48)

dude341
Scratcher
1000+ posts

"CloneAlert" idea

dude341 wrote:

I'm unsure what the “click me” forum post image is supposed to represent?
-ShadowOfTheFuture-
Scratcher
1000+ posts

"CloneAlert" idea

dude341 wrote:

dude341 wrote:

I'm unsure what the “click me” forum post image is supposed to represent?
It represents the report button.
wWSunPandaWw
Scratcher
1000+ posts

"CloneAlert" idea

Sheep_maker wrote:

wWSunPandaWw wrote:

Paddle2See wrote:

mrbumppo wrote:

No support, please read the stickies before posting.
Remixes are to change something, even if it's minor. But I do think there should be a way to prevent VDRU(view, download, reupload).
If I understand the original post correctly, the suggested system would only allow a remix if a valid change was detected - what makes a change “valid” could be a subject of debate.
But didn't you guys (The ST) already confirm that remixes are fine as long as one thing (even if it's minor) is changed, added, or removed?
Yes; this suggestion helps bring about that message by hiding/disabling the remix button until even a minor change is made.
Yes, I knew that. I was asking Paddle why they said that the topic of what an acceptable remix is is debatable when they already have on answer for it.
dude341
Scratcher
1000+ posts

"CloneAlert" idea

-ShadowOfTheFuture- wrote:

dude341 wrote:

dude341 wrote:

I'm unsure what the “click me” forum post image is supposed to represent?
It represents the report button.
Well they can take a picture of not only just the report button, but perhaps the project report button? It's really unclear, it focuses on the forum post link button.
ZZ9PluralZAlpha
Scratcher
1000+ posts

"CloneAlert" idea

Paddle2See wrote:

mrbumppo wrote:

No support, please read the stickies before posting.
Remixes are to change something, even if it's minor. But I do think there should be a way to prevent VDRU(view, download, reupload).
If I understand the original post correctly, the suggested system would only allow a remix if a valid change was detected - what makes a change “valid” could be a subject of debate.
I'm sure that has been debated at some point in this rather extensive topic anyway. :P
It would have to be something clearly noticeable to all who use the project, not something small right at the end or one codeblock moved or something silly like that. It would have to be a reasonable sized change
I-Iz-A-Litten
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1000+ posts

"CloneAlert" idea

I like where you are going with this, although this would take a long time to implement, or even impossible.

cheddargirl wrote:

Scratcher1002 wrote:

Semi-support, on one hand you have copies and blatant plagiarism, on the other you have the questions of, “How would this work?” and, “Is this possible?”
The last two are the most important part when offering a suggestion. We need people to also offer ways on how to accomplish it.

We're all for the suggestion on preventing a remix, but none so far have offered a viable way on how to develop such a system.


I support this idea. But I just don't know how this will be implemented.
Sheep_maker
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1000+ posts

"CloneAlert" idea

ZZ9PluralZAlpha wrote:

Paddle2See wrote:

mrbumppo wrote:

No support, please read the stickies before posting.
Remixes are to change something, even if it's minor. But I do think there should be a way to prevent VDRU(view, download, reupload).
If I understand the original post correctly, the suggested system would only allow a remix if a valid change was detected - what makes a change “valid” could be a subject of debate.
I'm sure that has been debated at some point in this rather extensive topic anyway. :P
It would have to be something clearly noticeable to all who use the project, not something small right at the end or one codeblock moved or something silly like that. It would have to be a reasonable sized change
I disagree; showing the remix button after even a small change is fine because it's easy to implement (it can just borrow the trigger for the “remix to save” button) and should prevent a lot of remix copies.

To require a change that affects the project will just come as a challenge to some determined copiers, and they'll find a way around it.
MegaSuperab
Scratcher
37 posts

"CloneAlert" idea

LionHeart70 wrote:

14. Banning minor remixes:
Remixes are allowed as long as at least something is changed, even if it's minor. However, a remix that only changes something extremely small and hard to notice can be taken down.
From the rejected suggestions thread.
Inkulumo
Scratcher
500+ posts

"CloneAlert" idea

MegaSuperab wrote:

LionHeart70 wrote:

14. Banning minor remixes:
Remixes are allowed as long as at least something is changed, even if it's minor. However, a remix that only changes something extremely small and hard to notice can be taken down.
From the rejected suggestions thread.
Support because of this. Remixes should not be functionally identical.
New_Dawn
Scratcher
15 posts

"CloneAlert" idea

Semi-support, but I don't think hiding the remix button is a good example. I think that hiding the share button after you remixed the project would be better.

LP_Play wrote:

hides the remix button until someone modifies the project
1] Sometimes I remix so I can see the coding. (example: Platform coding.) That way, if I have way too many favorites one day, I won't have to look through it all. Or maybe the project gets deleted so I can't look at it.
2] What if it's like a collaboration, art contest, MAP, etc. That means I'll have to finish my part then remix. It might also be more trouble than it's worth for some Scratchers.

Besides that, I give my full support.
coder2045
Scratcher
1000+ posts

"CloneAlert" idea

What if someone adds a costume that's never used?
misaPuding
Scratcher
1000+ posts

"CloneAlert" idea

NO SUPPORT. I remixed many projects just to add their solution, workaround or hacked block for any problem or function into my backpack and I don´t want to need more steps (adding unnecessary blocks etc.) just to be able to remix them. If you still want that restriction, let everyone remix anything and just hide the “Share” button for these remixes.

P.S.:I know that this filter would block sharing only unchanged and fully copied remixes, but still, wouldn´t Scratch team think that this function would violate the Scratch motto, Imagine, Program, SHARE? Also, how are you gonna decide which change is big enough to fulfill the requirement of CloneAlert system?

Last edited by misaPuding (Feb. 15, 2021 14:26:47)

TheBus_2
Scratcher
53 posts

"CloneAlert" idea

No support. Wait 0 secs (and other things) actually change things. (They wait a thirtieth of a second.)
twogadugary
Scratcher
100+ posts

"CloneAlert" idea

interesting idea but it'd have to be very easy to have a project be considered not a copy as to not count as censoring remixes with small changes because that's something the scratch team do not like.
Scratchfangs
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1000+ posts

"CloneAlert" idea

Bump.
han614698
Scratcher
1000+ posts

"CloneAlert" idea

Even though some of the blocks mentioned wouldn't do anything, I think this is still rejected under “censor minor remixes”.
QuantumScratcher
Scratcher
100+ posts

"CloneAlert" idea

Let's not go XP StickyKeys (using PascalCase everywhere).
BebaMonica
Scratcher
100+ posts

"CloneAlert" idea

support

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