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great_elmo
Scratcher
500+ posts

remove email confirmation please

remove email confirmation please! it is so painful to have to confirm, I call it “the update that ruined scratch”

it is actually to prevent you from sharing, commenting, creating studios and you making forum posts, favouriting and loving.
they did this because they wanted people to get mad because they can't do anything

Last edited by great_elmo (Aug. 3, 2019 20:16:38)

Luvexina
Scratcher
500+ posts

remove email confirmation please

You have to confirm so the Scratch team can email you, and so you can get an email when you forget your password.

Please stop making suggestions for your own personal good that worsen Scratch.
foo-eta
Scratcher
1000+ posts

remove email confirmation please

No support. It’s not good. So it makes confuse and chaos to community.
EZ-Games
Scratcher
1000+ posts

remove email confirmation please

No support. This would cause a lot of problems.
DownsGameClub
Scratcher
1000+ posts

remove email confirmation please

great_elmo wrote:

… it is so painful to have to confirm, I call it “the update that ruined scratch”
Your anecdote seems very intriguing. Please tell us more about it.

Last edited by DownsGameClub (Aug. 3, 2019 01:58:21)

LegoManiac04
Scratcher
1000+ posts

remove email confirmation please

No Support.

Email confirmation is painful…? It was my mom who confirmed the email on my account, but I doubt it wasn't that hard.
Plus, what if you forget your password? Or you need it reset it?

Please explain more as to why you would like this removed!
WaterComesBack
Scratcher
100+ posts

remove email confirmation please

No support. Besides, verifying an email is actually more important than you think.
*allows you to share projects
*allows you to send an email when your password if forgotten
*allows you to make studios for everyone to enjoy
And most important…
*allows you to keep your account safe
Let's look at the other replies and see what they say.

foo-eta wrote:

No support. It’s not good. So it makes confuse and chaos to community.
That's because of hacking. If you verify your email your account will be protected from hacking. If email verification was disabled, hackers would DOMINATE the Scratch Website! We don't want that to happen.

VFDan wrote:

You have to confirm so the Scratch team can email you, and so you can get an email when you forget your password.

Please stop making suggestions for your own personal good that worsen Scratch.
Self-explanitory.
So uh, that's it. I really wanna see what other people say.
Sheep_maker
Scratcher
1000+ posts

remove email confirmation please

It also helps combat spam. You only have to confirm your email once, while spammers would have to confirm the email for every spam account they make (I think student accounts didn't have to deal with this, and it was abused at some point)
DownsGameClub
Scratcher
1000+ posts

remove email confirmation please

WaterComesBack wrote:

foo-eta wrote:

No support. It’s not good. So it makes confuse and chaos to community.
That's because of hacking. If you verify your email your account will be protected from hacking. If email verification was disabled, hackers would DOMINATE the Scratch Website! We don't want that to happen.

Eeh… It's not quite hacking, per se… It's more of annoying spambots that tend to interesting things on the website. There are little resources to deal with those things after it happens, so the best way is to prevent before it happens.
WaterComesBack
Scratcher
100+ posts

remove email confirmation please

I think we have recived enough posts. This has been…

REJECTED

So we will not remove email confirminations. They are alot stronger than you think.
Sheep_maker
Scratcher
1000+ posts

remove email confirmation please

WaterComesBack wrote:

I think we have recived enough posts. This has been…

REJECTED

So we will not remove email confirminations. They are alot stronger than you think.
Unless a Scratch team member closes this topic, this suggestion isn't necessarily rejected.

We're here to find flaws in a suggestion so that it can be improved, not to reject them.
AFNNetworkK12
Scratcher
1000+ posts

remove email confirmation please

great_elmo wrote:

remove email confirmation please! it is so painful to have to confirm, I call it “the update that ruined scratch”
No support. This helps keep your account secure and makes it so they know how to contact you.
DownsGameClub
Scratcher
1000+ posts

remove email confirmation please

Ah wait, I forgot about something.

COPPA - short for the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act.
Information is courtesy from coppa.org.

COPPA is an act by the Federal Trade Commission (the people in the United States that are in charge of the general guidelines for marketing and the use of different medias to get profit. In the act, it is required by law that if any persons, primarily those who run a website, obtains any information from a user on a site that is either directed to or happens to have those under the age of thirteen (13), to have a clear statement of what information they collect and confirmed consent by parents.

COPPA wrote:

The notice to parents must contain the same information included on the notice on the Web site. In addition, an operator must notify a parent that it wishes to collect personal information from the child; that the parent's consent is required for the collection, use and disclosure of the information; and how the parent can provide consent. The notice to parents must be written clearly and understandably, and must not contain any unrelated or confusing information. An operator may use any one of a number of methods to notify a parent, including sending an email message to the parent or a notice by postal mail.

The Scratch Team is obligated to follow this because the site is directed towards those between the ages of eight through sixteen. They required email addresses already, so, BAM! They just went with what they had, which is allowed in their circumstances.

They require you to put your parent's email addresses if you're under the age of 13 so that your parent can get verifiable consent. This allows for the approval to do a variety of things on Scratch, including but not limited to:
  • Collect personal information from your computer such as IP addresses, cookies from websites including Scratch, etc. about you;
  • Maintain a means of reliable contact in case something happens to you, others, or the Scratch website, and;
  • Contacting you for disciplinary purposes.

With over 14 million Scratchers under the age of thirteen, it is only suitable that the Scratch Team be able to contact parents should a problem arise. After all, they're essentially the de facto (implied) guardians of those who use Scratch so that children can be safe on the website.

If they don't have these procedures in place, there is a huge risk that the Scratch Team could face anger from parents simply because the parent was not aware of their child's presence on the platform.
Also, it's mandated by law if you're under 13.

TL;DR: As “inconvenient” as it may seem (it's reading a letter and clicking a button so please explain…?), they're doing this to avoid legal issues and angry parents.
FrostyRAhAz
Scratcher
500+ posts

remove email confirmation please

I disagree. Painful? It only takes about 3 seconds.

This could happen:
Person A used Scratch for a while, Person B knows Person A’s email and creates a Scratch account with Person A’s email address only but to cause harm. Person B starts breaking the Community Guidelines on purpose to get banned and eventually gets banned. Then the ST figures that Person A’s account might be an alt of Person B’s account and bans Person A.
Which is not good…

It also prevents spam and mostly kids use Scratch so their parents and guardians need to approve Scratch and if they want their child to use it.
E_Equals_EmCeCube3
Scratcher
1000+ posts

remove email confirmation please

@great_elmo

As I have noted with some of your past suggestions, namely changing ‘broadcast message’ to a cap block and remove disabling comments, please note that features exist in Scratch for the benefit of the community.

I understand that you want some things changed or removed in Scratch because you are not satisfied with it, but you must first consider the long- and short-term consequences (pros and cons) such features of would have on the wider community should they be implemented to Scratch before you decide to put forth your idea.

For example, even though you do not like email confirmation, it exists to keep Scratch a safe and friendly place. As has been mentioned above, removing it would deal more harm than good.

If I may add, you should keep in mind that in life and as you grow older, you will have to cope with things you don't like. The world you and I live in is not always sunshine and rainbows. The same applies here on Scratch.
_____

In summary, please, before you create a new topic, don't suggest ideas because you personally don't like things the way they are, because they are there for the better whole. (at least in this case it is) Take into consideration the pros and cons of your idea - will it improve the Scratch community?
You will have to deal with things you don't like when you become older; that is what life is. You won't get what you want all the time.

Thanks and keep Scratching.

Last edited by E_Equals_EmCeCube3 (Aug. 3, 2019 08:28:45)

Nambaseking01
Scratcher
1000+ posts

remove email confirmation please

No support.

First of all, kids are not supposed to even confirm their email — it is their parents who have to do it unless you are an adult like griffpatch.

And if I found out the email address of you and hacked you without confirmation, I could ruin your profile and hack you like crazy every day.

And if you are creating an account, you can't just use someone else's address to go into Scratch — you need the confirmation to prove that you are the real person and not an imposter.
BlueStarPort
Scratcher
100+ posts

remove email confirmation please

NO SUPPORT. Email Confirmation helps to protect scratch from spambots.
AFNNetworkK12
Scratcher
1000+ posts

remove email confirmation please

DownsGameClub wrote:

snip
In addition:

COPPA/FTC wrote:

(1) IN GENERAL.—It is unlawful for an operator of a website or online service directed to children, or any operator that has actual knowledge that it is collecting personal information from a child, to collect personal information from a child in a manner that violates the regulations prescribed under subsection (b).
A few of the regulations below:

COPPA/FTC wrote:

(A) require the operator of any website or online service directed to children that collects personal information from children or the operator of a website or online service that has actual knowledge that it is collecting personal information from a child

(i) to provide notice on the website of what information is collected from children by the operator, how the operator uses such information, and the operator's disclosure practices for such information;
and

(ii) to obtain verifiable parental consent for the collection, use, or disclosure of personal information from children;

(B) require the operator to provide, upon request of a parent under this subparagraph whose child has provided personal information to that website or online service, upon proper identification of that parent, to such parent

(i) a description of the specific types of personal information collected from the child by that operator;

(ii) the opportunity at any time to refuse to permit the operator's further use or maintenance in retrievable form, or future online collection, of personal information from that child; and

(iii) notwithstanding any other provision of law, a means that is reasonable under the circumstances for the parent to obtain any personal information collected from that child;

(C) prohibit conditioning a child's participation in a game, the offering of a prize, or another activity on the child disclosing more personal information than is reasonably necessary to participate in such activity; and

(D) require the operator of such a website or online service to establish and maintain reasonable procedures to protect the confidentiality, security, and integrity of personal information collected from children.
Those a bit of the regulations that scratch has to follow. You see at (ii) it says “to obtain verifiable parental consent for the collection, use, or disclosure of personal information from children. ” And that is possibly an email address.




Last edited by AFNNetworkK12 (Aug. 3, 2019 17:32:36)

EIephant_Lover
Scratcher
500+ posts

remove email confirmation please

No support.

Like everybody else says, it's to protect against spammers, etc., and removing it would make Scratch much more susceptable to these things. Furthermore, it's not hard at all to confirm an email. Send the email, check your email, click confirm on the email. It's not like it takes an hour.
Troyer_Kem
Scratcher
1000+ posts

remove email confirmation please

No Support. Reason vv

BlueStarPort wrote:

NO SUPPORT. Email Confirmation helps to protect scratch from spambots.
First of all, why is it painful? I sign up with my e-mail and it was very ez

great_elmo wrote:

I call it “the update that ruined scratch”
It doesn't ruin the scratch, it protects you. If there was no e-mail confirmation, spambots and other bad users would fill Scratch. This is why ST created “New Scratcher” status, too. just let you know before suggesting remove “new scratcher” status

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