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CucumberBread
Scratcher
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Scratch needs a built in dictionary

Scratch would need to use google translate. We all know how good that is, especially with Irish in my experience.. It's so easy to tell when someone uses google translate with that.

Just for that alone, NO!

Maybe we could make a dictionary in languages we know and put them into a studio for others to use (if we want people to).

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Seam49
Scratcher
500+ posts

Scratch needs a built in dictionary

CucumberBread wrote:

Scratch would need to use google translate. We all know how good that is, especially with Irish in my experience.. It's so easy to tell when someone uses google translate with that.

Just for that alone, NO!

Maybe we could make a dictionary in languages we know and put them into a studio for others to use (if we want people to).
Yes, we could have a project with a dictionary Sprite in it for people to backpack, but that'll take ages, and if this was added new scratchers will use it without searching for the project. maybe you could make a project with a dictionary Sprite for scratchers to use.

But you seem to still be a new scratcher and that would take a lot of work

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Seam49
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500+ posts

Scratch needs a built in dictionary

Bump asdfghjkl

last edited by kaj (today 18:46:3)

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TheAdriCoolManDude
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Scratch needs a built in dictionary

Seam49 wrote:

TheAdriCoolManDude wrote:

Overall, this may may useful, but would take long to filter, and do it in other languages, would take long too. This would also take way too much data! Sure online dictionaries can take all this data, but that is because 99% of their data is the words. Scratch probably has about 30% of data left to use, and this would take more data than that. Overall, I think the ST would like to keep the Google Translate there for now. That was enough data and languages.
Ion line dictionaries have heaps more data, and what. I really like the google translate extension

Gaha, keyboard playing up, hard to type
Actually, online dictionaries have 99% of their data as a dictionary, you know!


SimplyKomplex
Scratcher
100+ posts

Scratch needs a built in dictionary

CucumberBread wrote:

Scratch would need to use google translate. We all know how good that is, especially with Irish in my experience.. It's so easy to tell when someone uses google translate with that.

Just for that alone, NO!

Maybe we could make a dictionary in languages we know and put them into a studio for others to use (if we want people to).
lol scratch 3 has google translate

SimplyKomplex
Seam49
Scratcher
500+ posts

Scratch needs a built in dictionary

TheAdriCoolManDude wrote:

Seam49 wrote:

TheAdriCoolManDude wrote:

Overall, this may may useful, but would take long to filter, and do it in other languages, would take long too. This would also take way too much data! Sure online dictionaries can take all this data, but that is because 99% of their data is the words. Scratch probably has about 30% of data left to use, and this would take more data than that. Overall, I think the ST would like to keep the Google Translate there for now. That was enough data and languages.
Ion line dictionaries have heaps more data, and what. I really like the google translate extension

Gaha, keyboard playing up, hard to type
Actually, online dictionaries have 99% of their data as a dictionary, you know!

But scratch has more data, because it does more, and can people stop posting about it taking up too much data, it has been posted enough times already.

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TheAdriCoolManDude
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Scratch needs a built in dictionary

Seam49 wrote:

TheAdriCoolManDude wrote:

Seam49 wrote:

TheAdriCoolManDude wrote:

Overall, this may may useful, but would take long to filter, and do it in other languages, would take long too. This would also take way too much data! Sure online dictionaries can take all this data, but that is because 99% of their data is the words. Scratch probably has about 30% of data left to use, and this would take more data than that. Overall, I think the ST would like to keep the Google Translate there for now. That was enough data and languages.
Ion line dictionaries have heaps more data, and what. I really like the google translate extension

Gaha, keyboard playing up, hard to type
Actually, online dictionaries have 99% of their data as a dictionary, you know!

But scratch has more data, because it does more, and can people stop posting about it taking up too much data, it has been posted enough times already.
Yeah, and it only has not as much data as it had once before. Google Translate was enough. I don't think Scratch wants to take up an extension with the Oxford dictionary of 171,476 words in current use, 47,156 obsolete words, and 9,500 derivative words included as subentries.


red_king_cyclops
Scratcher
500+ posts

Scratch needs a built in dictionary

TheAdriCoolManDude wrote:

Seam49 wrote:

TheAdriCoolManDude wrote:

Seam49 wrote:

TheAdriCoolManDude wrote:

Overall, this may may useful, but would take long to filter, and do it in other languages, would take long too. This would also take way too much data! Sure online dictionaries can take all this data, but that is because 99% of their data is the words. Scratch probably has about 30% of data left to use, and this would take more data than that. Overall, I think the ST would like to keep the Google Translate there for now. That was enough data and languages.
Ion line dictionaries have heaps more data, and what. I really like the google translate extension

Gaha, keyboard playing up, hard to type
Actually, online dictionaries have 99% of their data as a dictionary, you know!

But scratch has more data, because it does more, and can people stop posting about it taking up too much data, it has been posted enough times already.
Yeah, and it only has not as much data as it had once before. Google Translate was enough. I don't think Scratch wants to take up an extension with the Oxford dictionary of 171,476 words in current use, 47,156 obsolete words, and 9,500 derivative words included as subentries.
The total number of words you said are in the Oxford dictionary is 228,132 words. The average length of an English word is 5.1 letters. Not including the definitions, all those words together would only take up about a single megabyte. Including the definitions would at most take up only a few more megabytes. On the other hand, a project's maximum size is 60 megabytes.

A built-in-dictionary would not take up much data at all.

Last edited by red_king_cyclops (Aug. 7, 2018 18:15:58)


2+2=4
2*2=4
2^2=4
2^^2=4
2^^^2=4
2^^^^2=4

I see a pattern.
SimplyKomplex
Scratcher
100+ posts

Scratch needs a built in dictionary

I definetely support this, although i dont think i would ever use it.

I think if this were to be used, it should be similar to lists.
Suggestions:
(definition of [hello] :: #50aa90)
<dictionary contains [hello] :: #50aa90>
(item (10) of dictionary :: #50aa90)
(synonyms for [hello] :: #50aa90)
([random/first/last v] synonym for [hello] :: #50aa90)
([past/present/future v] tense for [hello] :: #50aa90)
and maybe a few more.

SimplyKomplex
Seam49
Scratcher
500+ posts

Scratch needs a built in dictionary

red_king_cyclops wrote:

TheAdriCoolManDude wrote:

Seam49 wrote:

TheAdriCoolManDude wrote:

Seam49 wrote:

TheAdriCoolManDude wrote:

Overall, this may may useful, but would take long to filter, and do it in other languages, would take long too. This would also take way too much data! Sure online dictionaries can take all this data, but that is because 99% of their data is the words. Scratch probably has about 30% of data left to use, and this would take more data than that. Overall, I think the ST would like to keep the Google Translate there for now. That was enough data and languages.
Ion line dictionaries have heaps more data, and what. I really like the google translate extension

Gaha, keyboard playing up, hard to type
Actually, online dictionaries have 99% of their data as a dictionary, you know!

But scratch has more data, because it does more, and can people stop posting about it taking up too much data, it has been posted enough times already.
Yeah, and it only has not as much data as it had once before. Google Translate was enough. I don't think Scratch wants to take up an extension with the Oxford dictionary of 171,476 words in current use, 47,156 obsolete words, and 9,500 derivative words included as subentries.
The total number of words you said are in the Oxford dictionary is 228,132 words. The average length of an English word is 5.1 letters. Not including the definitions, all those words together would only take up about a single megabyte. Including the definitions would at most take up only a few more megabytes. On the other hand, a project's maximum size is 60 megabytes.

A built-in-dictionary would not take up much data at all.
Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking, but I do mean right away on the launch, I mean some later time, maybe after launch.

SimplyKomplex wrote:

I definetely support this, although i dont think i would ever use it.

I think if this were to be used, it should be similar to lists.
Suggestions:
(definition of [hello] :: #50aa90)
<dictionary contains [hello] :: #50aa90>
(item (10) of dictionary :: #50aa90)
(synonyms for [hello] :: #50aa90)
([random/first/last v] synonym for [hello] :: #50aa90)
([past/present/future v] tense for [hello] :: #50aa90)
and maybe a few more.

Not all words have tense, but a workaround would be to display the original word if the word does not have a tense. What order are synonyms in, how about, most common synonym for hello. Also, item 10 of dictionary might be:
(item (10) of dictionary In letters [a] :: #50aa90)
“A” could be replaced with the first letters of the word, and if your number is ten and there are only 3 words, then it would be the last word.

Plus:
Hide dictionary :: #50aa90

show dictionary :: #50aa91

Go to word (banana v) in dictionary :: #50aaa9

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chexbox
Scratcher
100+ posts

Scratch needs a built in dictionary

red_king_cyclops wrote:

TheAdriCoolManDude wrote:

Seam49 wrote:

TheAdriCoolManDude wrote:

Seam49 wrote:

TheAdriCoolManDude wrote:

Overall, this may may useful, but would take long to filter, and do it in other languages, would take long too. This would also take way too much data! Sure online dictionaries can take all this data, but that is because 99% of their data is the words. Scratch probably has about 30% of data left to use, and this would take more data than that. Overall, I think the ST would like to keep the Google Translate there for now. That was enough data and languages.
Ion line dictionaries have heaps more data, and what. I really like the google translate extension

Gaha, keyboard playing up, hard to type
Actually, online dictionaries have 99% of their data as a dictionary, you know!

But scratch has more data, because it does more, and can people stop posting about it taking up too much data, it has been posted enough times already.
Yeah, and it only has not as much data as it had once before. Google Translate was enough. I don't think Scratch wants to take up an extension with the Oxford dictionary of 171,476 words in current use, 47,156 obsolete words, and 9,500 derivative words included as subentries.
The total number of words you said are in the Oxford dictionary is 228,132 words. The average length of an English word is 5.1 letters. Not including the definitions, all those words together would only take up about a single megabyte. Including the definitions would at most take up only a few more megabytes. On the other hand, a project's maximum size is 60 megabytes.

A built-in-dictionary would not take up much data at all.
Extension data is not saved with the project. It is loaded with the GUI. Google translate isn't even on scratch servers. It uses an API to connect to the translate site.

red_king_cyclops
Scratcher
500+ posts

Scratch needs a built in dictionary

chexbox wrote:

red_king_cyclops wrote:

TheAdriCoolManDude wrote:

Seam49 wrote:

TheAdriCoolManDude wrote:

Seam49 wrote:

TheAdriCoolManDude wrote:

Overall, this may may useful, but would take long to filter, and do it in other languages, would take long too. This would also take way too much data! Sure online dictionaries can take all this data, but that is because 99% of their data is the words. Scratch probably has about 30% of data left to use, and this would take more data than that. Overall, I think the ST would like to keep the Google Translate there for now. That was enough data and languages.
Ion line dictionaries have heaps more data, and what. I really like the google translate extension

Gaha, keyboard playing up, hard to type
Actually, online dictionaries have 99% of their data as a dictionary, you know!

But scratch has more data, because it does more, and can people stop posting about it taking up too much data, it has been posted enough times already.
Yeah, and it only has not as much data as it had once before. Google Translate was enough. I don't think Scratch wants to take up an extension with the Oxford dictionary of 171,476 words in current use, 47,156 obsolete words, and 9,500 derivative words included as subentries.
The total number of words you said are in the Oxford dictionary is 228,132 words. The average length of an English word is 5.1 letters. Not including the definitions, all those words together would only take up about a single megabyte. Including the definitions would at most take up only a few more megabytes. On the other hand, a project's maximum size is 60 megabytes.

A built-in-dictionary would not take up much data at all.
Extension data is not saved with the project. It is loaded with the GUI. Google translate isn't even on scratch servers. It uses an API to connect to the translate site.
Exactly. The dictionary doesn't have to be stored on Scratch's servers.

2+2=4
2*2=4
2^2=4
2^^2=4
2^^^2=4
2^^^^2=4

I see a pattern.
TheAdriCoolManDude
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Scratch needs a built in dictionary

red_king_cyclops wrote:

TheAdriCoolManDude wrote:

Seam49 wrote:

TheAdriCoolManDude wrote:

Seam49 wrote:

TheAdriCoolManDude wrote:

Overall, this may may useful, but would take long to filter, and do it in other languages, would take long too. This would also take way too much data! Sure online dictionaries can take all this data, but that is because 99% of their data is the words. Scratch probably has about 30% of data left to use, and this would take more data than that. Overall, I think the ST would like to keep the Google Translate there for now. That was enough data and languages.
Ion line dictionaries have heaps more data, and what. I really like the google translate extension

Gaha, keyboard playing up, hard to type
Actually, online dictionaries have 99% of their data as a dictionary, you know!

But scratch has more data, because it does more, and can people stop posting about it taking up too much data, it has been posted enough times already.
Yeah, and it only has not as much data as it had once before. Google Translate was enough. I don't think Scratch wants to take up an extension with the Oxford dictionary of 171,476 words in current use, 47,156 obsolete words, and 9,500 derivative words included as subentries.
The total number of words you said are in the Oxford dictionary is 228,132 words. The average length of an English word is 5.1 letters. Not including the definitions, all those words together would only take up about a single megabyte. Including the definitions would at most take up only a few more megabytes. On the other hand, a project's maximum size is 60 megabytes.

A built-in-dictionary would not take up much data at all.
Then we have a lot of languages too…


Seam49
Scratcher
500+ posts

Scratch needs a built in dictionary

TheAdriCoolManDude wrote:

snip
Then we have a lot of languages too…
but they will not be stored on scratch, and why can't scratch use google translate to translate the dictionary.

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chexbox
Scratcher
100+ posts

Scratch needs a built in dictionary

Seam49 wrote:

TheAdriCoolManDude wrote:

snip
Then we have a lot of languages too…
but they will not be stored on scratch, and why can't scratch use google translate to translate the dictionary.
They could just get dictionaries of the other languages. It would be much better than using google translate.

Seam49
Scratcher
500+ posts

Scratch needs a built in dictionary

chexbox wrote:

Seam49 wrote:

TheAdriCoolManDude wrote:

snip
Then we have a lot of languages too…
but they will not be stored on scratch, and why can't scratch use google translate to translate the dictionary.
They could just get dictionaries of the other languages. It would be much better than using google translate.
True, I think that would be better if the scratch team had enough time.

Tea. Chocolate.
Seam49
Scratcher
500+ posts

Scratch needs a built in dictionary

SimplyKomplex wrote:

CucumberBread wrote:

Scratch would need to use google translate. We all know how good that is, especially with Irish in my experience.. It's so easy to tell when someone uses google translate with that.

Just for that alone, NO!

Maybe we could make a dictionary in languages we know and put them into a studio for others to use (if we want people to).
lol scratch 3 has google translate
But how is that funny?

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Seam49
Scratcher
500+ posts

Scratch needs a built in dictionary

Bump

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Seam49
Scratcher
500+ posts

Scratch needs a built in dictionary

Bump

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OpaI-Koboi
New to Scratch
1 post

Scratch needs a built in dictionary

Seam49 wrote:

apple502j wrote:

apple502j wrote:

No support, it's too hard to make other languages' dictionaries for ST
(A few ST members can speak them
what will happen
word tense of 買った - 3 in Japanese
random 助詞 (not in English)
random preposition (not in Japanese)

AS A JAPANESE SPEAKER, I'M AGAINST IT!
Maybe it can have other language dictionaries?
i bet it won't have gnommish⭐️☎️

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